Re: [freenet-support] local host

2004-06-24 Thread Dave
Yeah, I'd realised that   if you could provide a list of all the
different ports that would be helpful  (or is there just too many?).   The
reason is, the actual port number identifies which applications are
communicating (or trying to communicate) with each other.  For example,
email always uses one specific port number, ftp always uses a different
specific port number, etc... that's why I wanted to know what the port
numbers are ...

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 =whatever port is being accessed such as port 1104, 1106 etc.


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  Subject: Re: [freenet-support] local host
 
  Mozilla, Firefox, Netscape and  Internet Explorer. I also tried
 Windows
   Media Player as an experiment and it happened with that program also.
I
   never allow MP  to connect to the internet...I only use it when I am
not
   online. I use Zone alarm as a software firewall and I allow it to
show
   blocked sites every so often as a  check to see what is trying to
 access
   my pc. This time I kept getting the destination ip 127.0.0.1: port

   application: firefox.exe for example.
Does this answer your question?
 
  I think so - so ZoneAlarm is reporting that all of these applications
are
  trying to access port  on 127.0.0.1
 
  What is  by the way?
 
  It is almost always perfectly safe for software to connect to ports on
ip
  127.0.0.1.   A lot of software services are listening on specific ports
  and one way for applications running on the same computer to communicate
  with each other is to create connections to 127.0.0.1:SOME PORT
 
  Perhaps you changed your Zone Alarm settings when you installed Freenet,
  and now it is simply reporting more connections than it used to?  I
think
  the default settings for Zone Alarm do not bother reporting connections
to
  127.0.0.1 as that simply means applications on your PC are communicating
  with each other, and it's usually perfectly safe.
 
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[freenet-support] RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Jano
Latest stable, windows 2000, java 1.4.2:
After a restart and seeing that I have these peers:
Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit)   13 (12/1/200)   
Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving)   1 (0/1) 
Data waiting to be transferred  None
Total amount of data transferred245 KiB
Most of them have idletime  0, if that means something.
I attempt to download FIND and I get:
Error: Route Not Found
Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes.
0 were totally unreachable.
0 restarted.
0 cleanly rejected.
This happens *very* often... is it normal? any more data that could be 
useful?

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Re: [freenet-support] RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Toad
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:31:41AM +0200, Jano wrote:
 Latest stable, windows 2000, java 1.4.2:
 
 After a restart and seeing that I have these peers:
 
 Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 13 (12/1/200)   

OUCH! Have you reseeded recently? In any case if you leave it running
for a day or so it should accumulate more... a reasonable number is 100+
connections...

 Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 1 (0/1) 
 Data waiting to be transferredNone
 Total amount of data transferred  245 KiB
 
 Most of them have idletime  0, if that means something.
 
 I attempt to download FIND and I get:
 
 Error: Route Not Found
 
 Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes.
 0 were totally unreachable.
 0 restarted.
 0 cleanly rejected.

Not surprising with only 13 connections open...
 
 This happens *very* often... is it normal? any more data that could be 
 useful?

Yeah, there is one thing:
http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html

Show me the top 10 lines or so.
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[freenet-support] Re: RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Someone
Toad schrieb:
OUCH! Have you reseeded recently? In any case if you leave it running
for a day or so it should accumulate more... a reasonable number is 100+
connections...
I found that around 30 connections or normal and 60 connections is a really
good number around 1 hour after restarting my stable node. If my node was
down more then 2 days (this happens from time to time) I have to reseed or
I would need more than 6 hours to get more than 20 connections to other nodes.
I think this is related to two things:
1. There are many stable nodes behind NATs or (personal) Firewalls that aren't
configured right, so they can't accept incoming connections.
2. In countries like here in germany you don't have fixed IPs and your internet
connection will get forcefully disconnected after something between 6 and 24
hours. So most of the nodes here change their IPs really often. AFAIK freenet
doesn't use ARKs anymore, and ppl concerned about their privacy aren't really
into using dyndns services. So if the node was down for a longer time most IPs
of the nodes in its routing table are no longer valid and it can't connect to
many other nodes. Additionally it's own IP might have changed, so the node won't
get many incoming connections eighter, because the other nodes don't know the
new IP of it.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Toad
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 03:49:46PM +0200, Someone wrote:
 Toad schrieb:
 
 OUCH! Have you reseeded recently? In any case if you leave it running
 for a day or so it should accumulate more... a reasonable number is 100+
 connections...
 
 I found that around 30 connections or normal and 60 connections is a really
 good number around 1 hour after restarting my stable node. If my node was
 down more then 2 days (this happens from time to time) I have to reseed or
 I would need more than 6 hours to get more than 20 connections to other 
 nodes.
 
 I think this is related to two things:
 
 1. There are many stable nodes behind NATs or (personal) Firewalls that 
 aren't
 configured right, so they can't accept incoming connections.
 
 2. In countries like here in germany you don't have fixed IPs and your 
 internet
 connection will get forcefully disconnected after something between 6 and 24
 hours. So most of the nodes here change their IPs really often. AFAIK 

SIX HOURS? Woah... my address gets changed at most once a month...

 freenet
 doesn't use ARKs anymore, and ppl concerned about their privacy aren't 
 really

Yeah, the network needs to work pretty well for ARKs to be useful, and
anyway they operate over too long a timescale normally. Thus I never
reimplemented them for unstable.

 into using dyndns services. So if the node was down for a longer time most 

Dyndns is mainly needed for nodes behind NATs. A solution has been
half-coded, will be completed eventually.

 IPs
 of the nodes in its routing table are no longer valid and it can't connect 
 to
 many other nodes. Additionally it's own IP might have changed, so the node 
 won't
 get many incoming connections eighter, because the other nodes don't know 
 the
 new IP of it.

Possibly. What's typical stats on stable?
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[freenet-support] Re: RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Someone
Toad schrieb:
SIX HOURS? Woah... my address gets changed at most once a month...
The longest time any of the major ISPs for DSL/Dialup allow you to
have an IP is 24 hours, after that you'll get disconnected, no matter
what comes, and get a new IP after reconnecting. There are some smaller
ISPs that only allow between 6 and 12 hour without a forced disconnect.
There are ISPs that give special offers for fixed IPs, but this costs
quite some additional money and you won't get unlimited bandwith from
them.
Yeah, the network needs to work pretty well for ARKs to be useful, and
anyway they operate over too long a timescale normally. Thus I never
reimplemented them for unstable.
Hmmm, but something like this would be needed.
Dyndns is mainly needed for nodes behind NATs. A solution has been
half-coded, will be completed eventually.
But it also helps with changing IPs, if I don't use a dyndns on my node it
takes ages after a forced disconnect for other nodes to reconnect to mine.
With dyndns it's a matter of some minutes.
Possibly. What's typical stats on stable?
The machine my nodes runs on is currently down (the IBM hard disk died),
so I can't give exact numbers :-(. But from previous observations I can
say that with using dyndns I had around 130 to 140 connections after
around 2 hours from which 30 to 50 outgoing connections and the others
incoming connections were. So my node always depended on incoming conns.
The IPs in the routing table changed quite fast and only very few of them
stayed longer then 1 day.
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[freenet-support] Re: RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Someone
Michael R. Stork schrieb:
It depends on when they do system maintenance. As long as their system 
is up, and you stay connected, you should keep renewing the same IP.
No, it is not system maintenance here in germany. In fact it's part of the
contract with the ISPs that you will get forcefully disconnected at least
every 24 hours, even on DSL (which uses PPPoE here, so it actually is just
a faster dialup connection). There are no IP leases and you can't influence
what IP you get. This doesn't have a technically reason, its more due political
and economical reasons. And AFAIK there are more european countries in which
it is handled the same way.
To say it clear, a fixed IP (even when it is only fixed for a week) is something
special you have to pay for in germany, and no ISP will give you something for
free if he can actually charge a good ammount of extra money for it.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Troed Sngberg
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:21:19 +0200, Someone [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

To say it clear, a fixed IP (even when it is only fixed for a week) is  
something
special you have to pay for in germany, and no ISP will give you  
something for
free if he can actually charge a good ammount of extra money for it.
... just to balance things out then: In Sweden it's uncommon to get a new  
IP that often, you can usually hold on to it for quite some time. The  
second biggest DSL-operator (Bostream) also offers static IPs for several  
of their services - no extra charge (only if you want additional ones).

I'm myself on 8/1 ADSL with a static IP, and I just got my VDSL modem in  
the mail so in 1-2 weeks I should be up on ~13-20Mbit both ways ...  
(depends on the distance to the station).

Cost?
¤43/month.
No traffic limits. Home servers allowed.
regards,
Mr RubItIn
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[freenet-support] Re: RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Someone
Troed Sångberg schrieb:
I'm myself on 8/1 ADSL with a static IP, and I just got my VDSL modem 
in  the mail so in 1-2 weeks I should be up on ~13-20Mbit both ways ...  
(depends on the distance to the station).

Cost?
¤43/month.
No traffic limits. Home servers allowed.
Woa, I wish something like this would be available here. The best you can get
is DSL with 3 Mbit/s down and 384 Kbit/s up without traffic limits. This will
cost around 100 euro per month and home servers are not disallowed, but also
not liked very much. Of course you will have the normal 24 hour disconnect
also, and this speed is only available if your home is within a Range of ~2
kilometers of the DSLAM. In my home the fastest DSL connection I can get is
1 Mbit/s down and 128 KBit/s up, this still costs around 60 euro per month
with unlimited traffic.
VDSL isn't used here, you can have Modem/ISDN or ADSL for private users. The
next bigger thing are leased lines with 2 MBit up and down, but these cost
way more money and you won't get unlimited traffic.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Toad
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:21:19PM +0200, Someone wrote:
 Michael R. Stork schrieb:
 
 It depends on when they do system maintenance. As long as their system 
 is up, and you stay connected, you should keep renewing the same IP.
 
 No, it is not system maintenance here in germany. In fact it's part of the
 contract with the ISPs that you will get forcefully disconnected at least
 every 24 hours, even on DSL (which uses PPPoE here, so it actually is just
 a faster dialup connection). There are no IP leases and you can't influence
 what IP you get. This doesn't have a technically reason, its more due 
 political
 and economical reasons. 

Uhm, what political and economic reasons? I mean if they don't like
servers, then they'd NAT you.

 And AFAIK there are more european countries in which
 it is handled the same way.
 
 To say it clear, a fixed IP (even when it is only fixed for a week) is 
 something
 special you have to pay for in germany, and no ISP will give you something 
 for
 free if he can actually charge a good ammount of extra money for it.

Capitalism is alive and well in the UK, and yet our dynamic IP addresses
usually stay the same for weeks on end... even on the cheap domestic
cable setups...
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Toad
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:48:53PM +0200, Someone wrote:
 Troed S?ngberg schrieb:
 
 I'm myself on 8/1 ADSL with a static IP, and I just got my VDSL modem 
 in  the mail so in 1-2 weeks I should be up on ~13-20Mbit both ways ...  
 (depends on the distance to the station).
 
 Cost?
 
 ?43/month.
 
 No traffic limits. Home servers allowed.
 
 Woa, I wish something like this would be available here. The best you can 
 get
 is DSL with 3 Mbit/s down and 384 Kbit/s up without traffic limits. This 
 will
 cost around 100 euro per month and home servers are not disallowed, but also
 not liked very much. 

Hmm. I haven't found anything with more than 256kbps uplink, short of
SDSL here. Also the AUPs generally explicitly disallow servers used by
other people. Mine stipulates a ridiculous maximum simultaneous
connections of 10. Essentially this means if they get annoyed they can
kick you without any legal ramifications; I've never had any problems,
despite running 2-3 freenet nodes much of the time, and 1 node 90%+ of
the time.

 Of course you will have the normal 24 hour disconnect

Strange. I suppose you have different fashions in different countries
- one ISP realizes a new way to f*ck the customer, and then the rest
follow suit to prevent competition driving down prices! Or do you only
have one DSL ISP, by any chance?

 also, and this speed is only available if your home is within a Range of ~2
 kilometers of the DSLAM. In my home the fastest DSL connection I can get is
 1 Mbit/s down and 128 KBit/s up, this still costs around 60 euro per month
 with unlimited traffic.
 
 VDSL isn't used here, you can have Modem/ISDN or ADSL for private users. The
 next bigger thing are leased lines with 2 MBit up and down, but these cost
 way more money and you won't get unlimited traffic.
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Impact and motives? was Re: [freenet-support] Re: RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Toad
Okay, impact on Freenet:
- Every N hours (6, 12, 24), a German node will lose all its
  connections. It will then reestablish them, as long as they are not
  German nodes which are simultaneously broken. QUESTION: are they all
  recycled at once? Surely not, for obvious reasons. So hopefully it'll
  just be a matter of reestablishing all the connections. Reconnecting
  will however take significant time...
- When the interruption occurs, all connected nodes will not only lose 
  their connections, but they will also not be able to reconnect. So you
  are relying on the server reconnecting to the clients.

Motives? Presumably there isn't enough demand for static IP addresses
for ISPs to compete on it in the basic package... and the minority who
do want static IP pay so much that it is worth the extra network
administration, hardware, etc, to implement the below and inconvenience
the majority by breaking all their TCP connections every 6-24 hours?

On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:12:08PM +0200, Someone wrote:
 Toad schrieb:
 
 SIX HOURS? Woah... my address gets changed at most once a month...
 
 The longest time any of the major ISPs for DSL/Dialup allow you to
 have an IP is 24 hours, after that you'll get disconnected, no matter
 what comes, and get a new IP after reconnecting. There are some smaller
 ISPs that only allow between 6 and 12 hour without a forced disconnect.
 There are ISPs that give special offers for fixed IPs, but this costs
 quite some additional money and you won't get unlimited bandwith from
 them.
 
 Yeah, the network needs to work pretty well for ARKs to be useful, and
 anyway they operate over too long a timescale normally. Thus I never
 reimplemented them for unstable.
 
 Hmmm, but something like this would be needed.
 
 Dyndns is mainly needed for nodes behind NATs. A solution has been
 half-coded, will be completed eventually.
 
 But it also helps with changing IPs, if I don't use a dyndns on my node it
 takes ages after a forced disconnect for other nodes to reconnect to mine.
 With dyndns it's a matter of some minutes.
 
 Possibly. What's typical stats on stable?
 
 The machine my nodes runs on is currently down (the IBM hard disk died),
 so I can't give exact numbers :-(. But from previous observations I can
 say that with using dyndns I had around 130 to 140 connections after
 around 2 hours from which 30 to 50 outgoing connections and the others
 incoming connections were. So my node always depended on incoming conns.
 
 The IPs in the routing table changed quite fast and only very few of them
 stayed longer then 1 day.
 
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Re: [freenet-support] RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread freenetproject
Will someone please post the new .conf file with min/max and defaults? 
Apparently the .conf file is not updated when the version is updated.

Toad wrote:
No, it's 200. It used to be 512.
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Re: [freenet-support] RNFs

2004-06-24 Thread Salah Coronya
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Will someone please post the new .conf file with min/max and defaults?
 Apparently the .conf file is not updated when the version is updated.

 Toad wrote:


 No, it's 200. It used to be 512.

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Back up you old configuration file, (optionally, but recommended also
delete the original) and use java -jar freenet.jar --config to
regenerate it. It'll generate a new config file with all the defaults
(be sure to chose the the same listenPort and datastore size as before).

(If you have customer settings in you old freenet.conf file that aren't
the default, you'll need to re-add them)
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