[freenet-support] RE: start-problems

2004-07-11 Thread Garb

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 I installed from Portage, and I was
 amazed at how well it handled the install.
 I especially liked the pre-made init script...

Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works
right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN
JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely
the easiest one to work with.

Kudos to the people who integrated Freenet into the Portage tree. Those guys
did a very fine job.



 How did you know to change the paths to /var/freenet and so on?

In the ebuild you can see where it wants everything to go
Cat /usr/portage/net-p2p/freenet/freenet-0.5.2.1-r8.ebuild

Regards,
J

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[freenet-support] Freenet Expectations

2004-07-11 Thread Stephen P. Schaefer
I started a freenet node four days ago, using the default freenet.conf 
settings, adjusted for being behind a firewall.  A couple days later I 
increased the storage to 1G, which required restarting fred.  A couple 
days after that I increased the storage to 30G, again restarting fred. 
I'm using the latest stable with Sun JDK 1.4.1 on RH8.0 and an approx. 
200Mbitps cable modem.

It's working, kindof.  netstat -t -a shows lots of incoming connections 
to the public port.  I'm disappointed that the latency on more that half 
my retrievals has been in hours; some requests are going into their 
second day.  I've had one retrieval succeed after 16 hours.  Someone 
with similar trouble was asked whther they were getting RNFs and DNFs 
(route not found, data not found).  I don't recall seeing an RNF.  All 
my outstanding browser queries show Couldn't Retrieve Key.  Network 
Error.  Data not found (Freenet could not find the data) Retrying 
  Almost all my retievals go into that state for a while before 
eventually succeeding - of course, Mozilla usually gives up on images 
within a web page.  Here's some lines from 
http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/downloads:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//activelink.png
Data Not found
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//yoyo.png
Data Not found
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//faq.html
Data Not found
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//faq.html
Data Not found
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//
Data Not found
Is this what I should expect?  Will it get better over time as I become 
better connected?  I'm seeing no inordinate load on my machine (Linux); 
top says the CPU stays between 80 and 90% idle.  After two days, only 2G 
of the 30G I most recently allocated has been consumed.

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Re: [freenet-support] What are the scales for the histogram plots?

2004-07-11 Thread TLD
Weiliang Zhang wrote:
 If that's the case, the bars in the histograms would grow indefinitely??
 There seems to be a maximum, when reached, the bars stop growing. That
 might be explaining why we are seeing de-specialisation? Shouldn't we
 use ratios instead?

From one of the pages, fifth line:

scale factor: 0.042384106665849686 (This is used to keep lines  64 characters)

That is, every = means about 23.6 units.

The limit is 64 characters, then the scale factor kicks in (and resizes
everything). This has NOTHING to do with de-specialisation.

Have a good day :)

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Re: [freenet-support] What are distribution servlets used for?

2004-07-11 Thread Weiliang Zhang
Florian Streck wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 01:30:57PM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote:
Saw the port 8891 in freenet.conf only today What are distribution 
servlets used for? My nodes seems to be running ok with this port 
firewalled.

As it seems it is used for the Distribution Pages (click on the link
Spread Freenet in the Web-Interface). This spreads a freenet-zip with
your personal seednodes. So not all people start with the same
seednodes. This should make the net better connected I think.
I have activated the distribution port and the allowHosts is the 
default, i.e. everyone. However, when I clicked Spread Freenet I got a 
blank page with only one line that says: Error. Any ideas?

If the port is firewalled it just means your Distribution pages can't be
accessed once they are created. It has nothing to do with the running of
your node.
Florian

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Re: [freenet-support] What are distribution servlets used for?

2004-07-11 Thread Niklas Bergh
Please check freenet.log for any error messages.

/N

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 Florian Streck wrote:
  On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 01:30:57PM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote:
 
 Saw the port 8891 in freenet.conf only today What are distribution
 servlets used for? My nodes seems to be running ok with this port
 firewalled.
 
 
  As it seems it is used for the Distribution Pages (click on the link
  Spread Freenet in the Web-Interface). This spreads a freenet-zip with
  your personal seednodes. So not all people start with the same
  seednodes. This should make the net better connected I think.

 I have activated the distribution port and the allowHosts is the
 default, i.e. everyone. However, when I clicked Spread Freenet I got a
 blank page with only one line that says: Error. Any ideas?

 
  If the port is firewalled it just means your Distribution pages can't be
  accessed once they are created. It has nothing to do with the running of
  your node.
 
  Florian
 


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 Best regards,
 Weiliang Zhang
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Re: [freenet-support] starting probs

2004-07-11 Thread rensinghoff
Thank you soo much for your help.. I LOVE OPEN SOURCE PEOPLE !!!




 Ok, so let's start over again. Did something show up in the log files?
 I think there might be a hint if the Program was able to get the IP from
 your router or not.

I dont knowhow can i check that ?? ddclient.cache ?

The rest later ;-)

 If you got that one working the next step is the connection to dyndns.
 Are there log-messages mentioning dyndns?
 
 In addition to that you might capture your network traffic and see if
 there are some hints as to what goes wrong.
 
 If you want you can send me your logfiles and eventually your dumpfiles
 and program-output and I'll see if I can make someting out of it. But
 better not to the list as it might be a little bit voluminous.
 
 Florian

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[freenet-support] How to give out node reference?

2004-07-11 Thread Weiliang Zhang
I want to run a few nodes on my local machine and let them communication 
within the circle. The problem is how do I generated seednodes.ref files 
for these nodes? I tried using the 'node' file created by freenet, 
giving it to another node as the seednodes.ref, but that didn't seem to 
be working, maybe it's because of the missing fields for the estimator. 
Any ideas?

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Re: [freenet-support] How to give out node reference?

2004-07-11 Thread S
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:35:16 +0100
Weiliang Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I want to run a few nodes on my local machine and let them communication 
 within the circle. The problem is how do I generated seednodes.ref files 
 for these nodes?

You can get a list of all nodes in your routing table with at least one
successful connection, at:

http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodestatus/noderefs.txt?minCP=0.0minConnections=1

The output of this page can be saved as seednodes.ref to seed your other
nodes.

-s
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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations

2004-07-11 Thread Wayne McDougall
Stephen P. Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I started a freenet node four days ago, using the default freenet.conf 
 settings, adjusted for being behind a firewall.  A couple days later I 
 increased the storage to 1G, which required restarting fred.  A couple 
 days after that I increased the storage to 30G, again restarting fred. 
 I'm using the latest stable with Sun JDK 1.4.1 on RH8.0 and an approx. 
 200Mbitps cable modem.

I *think* that freenet.conf is set by default to assume as 256Kbits connection
(based on a rule of thumb of setting limits to half bandwidth capacity).

You would want to adjust:

inputBandwidthLimit=1250
and
outputBandwidthLimit=1250

Those suggested values are in bytes. You may want to adjust, but the default
values would be too low.

I'm no expert, but I'd strongly urge you to consider the 1.4.2 Java release:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html

 It's working, kindof.  netstat -t -a shows lots of incoming connections 
 to the public port.  

What does FRED have to say for itself?

http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm

Have you got active transmitting inbound and outbound connections?

 I'm disappointed that the latency on more that half 
 my retrievals has been in hours; some requests are going into their 
 second day.  I've had one retrieval succeed after 16 hours.  Someone 
[SNIP]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//
 Data Not found
 
 Is this what I should expect?  Will it get better over time as I become 
 better connected?  

No it's not what you should expect, and yes it will get better.
My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to
become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working
beautifully. You may do better than that with better bandwidth and the
improved Freenet versions. But I'd wait at least that long to see how good
things might be.

 I'm seeing no inordinate load on my machine (Linux); 
 top says the CPU stays between 80 and 90% idle.  After two days, only 2G 
 of the 30G I most recently allocated has been consumed.

Only 2 Gb would be filled over two days at the default bandwidth rate of 
12 000 (versus my suggestion of 12 500 000)!


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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health

2004-07-11 Thread David Masover
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Jay Oliveri wrote:
[...]
| days.  Did you leave it running while properly opening up the port it
uses
| for incoming connections in your firewall (if needed)?
Yes.  It's on the firewall machine, which really only does NAT anyway.
| I have an 2.5G Athlon XP w/ 1G of RAM and I don't notice that it's
running.
| It tends to play nice on my system regardless of my success in getting
any
| data out of it.
I'm talking about bandwidth, and it runs on said firewall machine -- a
200 mhz emachine.
| not sure my archives even go back that far, but the basis for choosing
Java
| should be obvious; platform independence and a rich API that comes
standard
| with the language.
As a purely academic argument, Parrot and .NET both do those things now,
and an API doesn't seem like it'd help that much with Freenet.  It's not
the interface that's broken.
| You don't have much experience with Java then.  Freenet is atypical of a
I'm glad I don't have much experience with Java.  I'll say no more.
| All this aside, when routing doesn't work in Freenet it can't be
blamed on
I like to blame Java, but you're right.
| helping matters much.  It's hoped this will change when one of the Free
| Software implementations of Java (gcj, Kaffe) becomes more stable wrt
| Freenet.
Good luck (and I don't mean that sarcastically).  I've never gotten
Kaffe to run a Hello World program.
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health

2004-07-11 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| On stable? How many live connections? Do you get RNFs? DNFs?
I think stable was actually better last I checked than unstable.  Don't
know RNF or DNF from Dionsaur.  5-10 connections, 2 or 3 loaded before
the browser timed out (guess).
| How much RAM does it have? We have had reports of reasonable performance
256 megs, but it's also running a lot of stuff --
apache,squid,qmail,djbdns,dhcpd,samba,sshd,bincimap,stunnel
Admittedly, there's not a lot of load on it, and a lot of that could be
swapped.  But I'm running Linux 2.6, and Top shows 99% CPU in userland,
by Freenet -- not in IO-Wait, where it would be if RAM was an issue.
| on that class of hardware. OTOH, it's not a big priority at the moment.
What's the bigger priority right now?  Because everything always seemed
to just work for me with Freenet -- it would just do it excruciatingly
slow.
| I don't think Freenet's bandwidth limiting is unobtrusive enough for
| gaming. Having said that, a gamer will tell you that ANYTHING else
| running on the connection will increase his ping. Even if it doesn't! :)
I'm a gamer, and I run web and email on this.  My bro notices when I run
freenet.
| those will be rectified when GCJ works. If we had used C++, we'd have
| spent a year arguing over whether to include a garbage collector. If
| we had used Ocaml, we'd have had even fewer coders than we have now.
If you'd used Perl?  (Ok, that's not fair, and it's moot anyway.)
| I've seen all of the above. Get hold of a copy of Eclipse compiled under
| GCJ sometime...
Will do!  Sometime...
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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]

2004-07-11 Thread Stephen P. Schaefer
From: Wayne McDougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I *think* that freenet.conf is set by default to assume as 256Kbits connection
 (based on a rule of thumb of setting limits to half bandwidth capacity).

 You would want to adjust:

 inputBandwidthLimit=1250
 and
 outputBandwidthLimit=1250

 Those suggested values are in bytes. You may want to adjust, but the default
 values would be too low.

 I'm no expert, but I'd strongly urge you to consider the 1.4.2 Java release:
 http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html
Thanks.  The comments in the freenet.conf file say that inputBandwidthLimit and
outputBandwidthLimit are in units of bytes per second, not bits per second - is
that incorrect?.  I had inputBandwidthLimit at 0 (no limit), and
outputBandwidthLimit at 2, since I believe my cable output is limited at
512Kb(its)ps, corresponding to a theoretical maximum of 64KB(ytes)ps, and I
wanted something left for other applications.  There's room for increase there,
so I'll try that.  The mention in the comments that these were independent limits
led me to infer that there was some some further overriding limit from which they were
independent, but I'm going to revise my thinking to understand that they're simply
independent of each other.
I'm not highly motivated right now to update the Java environment.   So far I haven't
had observable environment errors.  The security issues I'm aware of involve
violations of the security sandbox - a moot point with freenet - and a JVM crash/Dos,
which I'll deal with when I see crashes.  If you're aware of something more serious,
please tell.
 What does FRED have to say for itself?

 http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm
Wow, lots of pretty graphs .  The numbers at the top of the report:
Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 198 (132/66/200)
Transfers active (Transmit/Receiving) 24 (13/11)
Data waiting to be transferred1,285 Bytes
Total amount of data transferred  4,483 MiB
 My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to
 become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working
 beautifully.
Double plus thank you!  I can wait a couple weeks.  I saw the claim that freenet
could be competetive with bittorrent, and was worried that I'd botched something
badly.  I think I've been through about four of the FAQ pages, a couple of which
have a subtextual hint that it may be quite a while before one's node is fully
connected, but not much idea of the scale of quite a while.  Setting expectations
is important.
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health

2004-07-11 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 01:40:33PM -0400, Paul spake thusly:
 Not nessessarly. Freenet requires a lot of horsepower because of all
 the crypto required for even simple connections.

Which is why we need to use native BigInt and FEC encoders to get
something approaching reasonable performance. Fast as C++ my patootie.

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