[freenet-support] Re: a dead horse and other animals
1. Newsbyte: keep stirring things up. I find it helpful. I am of the same opinion, but I could be biased. ;-) 2. With respect I don't think you can both a) claim to be installing like a novice user and b) insist on keeping your existing Java install to be used and recognised. I am not. That's why I say a noob wouldn't do half of what I tried. In my opinion, I rank above average in computerknowledge (though not being an expert on every topic), but if I encounter difficulties, you can be sure a noob will have it too. As for b); as I said, I did try several things, one of which was like the suggestion on the freenethelp wiki, and another one was uninstalling the 1.5 and downloading the full install. IMO the average novice user will choose the full install with Java and that will work. I'm assuming you have Java 5 (still in beta). I'm sure the Windows installer will be updated soon, and Java 5 hasn't been out that long... I tried the full install and got the warning it was corrupted (and it wouldn't install neither, thus). Yes, I saw it on dev it was being updated. In the meantime, I also got around the problem, and I don't think the primary cause of the prob is with the JVM, nor with the recognising of it on itself. (see dev maillist). 3. And for those who have some slight knowledge and do want to run / keep the latest Java with a Windows install they can follow the instructions at: http://wikiserver.freenethelp.org:14741/InstallingFreenet; Indeed, but that, as I said, didn't work neither in my case, probably due to the things I describe in my post on dev. 4. You may have heard of this Wiki. Some kind, clever person set it up... I agree. :-) I've found it very useful although the user login (through Preferences?) seems to be broken right now... It is? Well, maybe that kind person will have a look at it. That said, strictly speaking you don't need a user login to make edits; it's free accessable for everyone (unless you want to go in as admin). In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if that clever person was going to implement the next and improved version of the wikiserver as soon as it will come out, which will be, hopefully, very soon. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Support Digest, Vol 16, Issue 19
I jumped the Freenet ship over a month ago and swam to the easy safety of Entropy. Maybe not all the content but hey, it works and works and doesn't need updates of anything(java or otherwise), it is consistent, fast, and I don't have to maintain, re-maintain, shutdown, restart, reconfigure, renothing to keep it going, plus, no bickering on the chats over what is the problem du jour with the networks or nodes. Danke. I may return to check out Freenet some day. Marginally possible. On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 00:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Support mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Support digest... Today's Topics: 1. a dead horse and other animals (Newsbyte) 2. and another thing (Newsbyte) 3. RE: a dead horse and other animals (Nicholas Sturm) 4. Re: a dead horse and other animals (Toad) 5. Re: and another thing (Toad) 6. Re: a dead horse and other animals (Wayne McDougall) 7. Re: a dead horse and other animals (Newsbyte) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:22:04 +0100 From: Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [freenet-support] a dead horse and other animals To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been getting TFE fine, but I haven't been able to load FIND for almost a week. The lists are pretty silent lately, as well. Conspiracy theory, anyone? No, the explanation is simply this, that many active (meaning formerly inserting/posting) Freenetters have gone over to i2p. Not only do you see icons such as thetower guy there, but a lot of other ex-freenetters, some of which still didn't leave Freenet completely (like me). I've been pointing that out in the irc chan too, but I got slapped on the wrist for it. aparently, saying the obvious is 'not done'. For the first time, Freenet has some serious competition, and it's not performing well, speaking in a darwinian sense. As yet, it doesn't seem to affect finances that much, but once you start to lose interest and people go to another (promising) I2P, that can't be far away. I have said many times before that there is a lack of progress, or at least a sense of progress, certainly for the ordinary freenet user (and, in fact, for the end-user there HAS been little progress). The development cycle of Freenet is NOT normal, not even for a new-technology-beta. It seems that Freenet is performing better...but compared to what? To how it was a year ago? No doubt, back then it was totally bork. It's a pitty we don't have performance testing logs, but I suspect that it's now about as good as it was 2 years ago...hmmm. Yesyes, I know a lot of technological goodies have been added, but that doesn't interest Joe Doe: he just wants it to work, and good. That means, primarely; finding something he wants, and d/l it fast, and, seen the fact it's freenet, in a safe manner. Freenet doesn't do all that. Now, granted, though I have been pleasantly surprised, neither does I2P, as yet. But the difference is, they are working 4 months on it, and have come a long way and they *are* improving dramatically. With that pace they are gaining support rapidly, as already can be seen (and that's why it has suddenly become more quiet on the posts, and Freesites are less and less being updated). The moment the DHT is ready, Freenet will not offer anything en plus, practically speaking. Now, I'm ambigous about this all. In theory, competition is a good thing...only it doesn't seem to have any impact, here. It's mostly being ignored, and when someone points it out, it's not welcomed. Furthermore, I don't think two main anonymity projects can be maintained by the OSS crowd, at least not the way it is done now. what is taken by one is at the loss of the other one, and vice versa, me thinks. That's why, in a former post, I tried to stimulate both parties to try to merge their technology and forces...but to no apparent avail. Is it that difficult to see that both projects have specific advantages, that would or at least could benefit both? Geez. Freenet has potential, it still has, but it just lays there as a dead horse, and i2p is has great ease-to-use promise, but still has to prove some basic things, like being able to scale (not that Freenet is out of the loop with that one neither). Anyways, when I pointed this out, I got the remark I was bulshitting, because I didn't even run a node anymore. Which was true, because I told so: last stable
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Support Digest, Vol 16, Issue 19
I am glad that you are happy, but what relevance does this have to the Freenet support mailing list? Ian. On 26 Nov 2004, at 13:47, Michael wrote: I jumped the Freenet ship over a month ago and swam to the easy safety of Entropy. Maybe not all the content but hey, it works and works and doesn't need updates of anything(java or otherwise), it is consistent, fast, and I don't have to maintain, re-maintain, shutdown, restart, reconfigure, renothing to keep it going, plus, no bickering on the chats over what is the problem du jour with the networks or nodes. Danke. I may return to check out Freenet some day. Marginally possible. On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 00:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Support mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Support digest... Today's Topics: 1. a dead horse and other animals (Newsbyte) 2. and another thing (Newsbyte) 3. RE: a dead horse and other animals (Nicholas Sturm) 4. Re: a dead horse and other animals (Toad) 5. Re: and another thing (Toad) 6. Re: a dead horse and other animals (Wayne McDougall) 7. Re: a dead horse and other animals (Newsbyte) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:22:04 +0100 From: Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [freenet-support] a dead horse and other animals To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been getting TFE fine, but I haven't been able to load FIND for almost a week. The lists are pretty silent lately, as well. Conspiracy theory, anyone? No, the explanation is simply this, that many active (meaning formerly inserting/posting) Freenetters have gone over to i2p. Not only do you see icons such as thetower guy there, but a lot of other ex-freenetters, some of which still didn't leave Freenet completely (like me). I've been pointing that out in the irc chan too, but I got slapped on the wrist for it. aparently, saying the obvious is 'not done'. For the first time, Freenet has some serious competition, and it's not performing well, speaking in a darwinian sense. As yet, it doesn't seem to affect finances that much, but once you start to lose interest and people go to another (promising) I2P, that can't be far away. I have said many times before that there is a lack of progress, or at least a sense of progress, certainly for the ordinary freenet user (and, in fact, for the end-user there HAS been little progress). The development cycle of Freenet is NOT normal, not even for a new-technology-beta. It seems that Freenet is performing better...but compared to what? To how it was a year ago? No doubt, back then it was totally bork. It's a pitty we don't have performance testing logs, but I suspect that it's now about as good as it was 2 years ago...hmmm. Yesyes, I know a lot of technological goodies have been added, but that doesn't interest Joe Doe: he just wants it to work, and good. That means, primarely; finding something he wants, and d/l it fast, and, seen the fact it's freenet, in a safe manner. Freenet doesn't do all that. Now, granted, though I have been pleasantly surprised, neither does I2P, as yet. But the difference is, they are working 4 months on it, and have come a long way and they *are* improving dramatically. With that pace they are gaining support rapidly, as already can be seen (and that's why it has suddenly become more quiet on the posts, and Freesites are less and less being updated). The moment the DHT is ready, Freenet will not offer anything en plus, practically speaking. Now, I'm ambigous about this all. In theory, competition is a good thing...only it doesn't seem to have any impact, here. It's mostly being ignored, and when someone points it out, it's not welcomed. Furthermore, I don't think two main anonymity projects can be maintained by the OSS crowd, at least not the way it is done now. what is taken by one is at the loss of the other one, and vice versa, me thinks. That's why, in a former post, I tried to stimulate both parties to try to merge their technology and forces...but to no apparent avail. Is it that difficult to see that both projects have specific advantages, that would or at least could benefit both? Geez. Freenet has potential, it still has, but it just lays there as a dead horse, and i2p is has great ease-to-use promise, but still has to prove some basic things, like being able to scale (not that Freenet is out of the loop with that one neither). Anyways, when I pointed this out, I
[freenet-support] NativeBigInteger and CPUID build
Hi, Is there a (simple) way to build NativeBigInteger and CPUID libs for stable Freenet? I would like to test any performance benefits and therefore would need instructions how to build and install these libs for my node. Thanks! ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: a dead horse and other animals
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3. And for those who have some slight knowledge and do want to run / keep the latest Java with a Windows install they can follow the instructions at: http://wikiserver.freenethelp.org:14741/InstallingFreenet That's entertaining. ... Glad you were entertained. Of course, with mazzanet's new winstaller, I guess it will now work as described. But I'm guessing that that wiki page is a lot older than the new (yesterday) installer ... Good news Dave. You don't *need* to guess. At the bottom of the page it tells you the date of the wiki page which *was* updated after the new (yesterday) installer. And for extra entertainment, looking at revisions would have shown you the older version which does have instructions that worked under the old installer. # Revision 9: View Diff .. November 26, 2004 at 10:27am by [Fix for Java 5 not needed with new version of WebInstaller] # Revision 8: View Diff .. November 24, 2004 at 03:01pm ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] and another thing
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:57:09 + Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So he should link to the project page, first and foremost. That's called doing your research. FYI, a Google search for Freenet returns freenet.sourceforge.net as the 3rd result. freenetproject.org is somewhere on the 8th page of results (assuming the default 10 results per page). Not saying that a Google search is journalistic due diligence, but for a hell of a lot of people, it's how they find stuff. -s ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
