[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
g/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060821/29d7afc5/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread an ominous cow herd
I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. ?It's fine the way it is. ?It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" while directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make

[freenet-support] Some NPEs on node shutdown

2006-08-21 Thread freenetw...@web.de
As on toad's request these go here: This appened on node (svn build 10227) shutdown. Exception in thread "freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler at 1be22a5" java.lang.NullPointerException at java.io.DeleteOnExitHook.add(DeleteOnExitHook.java:33) at

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread an ominous cow herd
Progress can be done in ways that will minimize the pain of progression. In the past, Freenet had stable and unstable branches. New users were directed to the stable branch while developers and the adventurous users used the unstable branch. This worked well in the past. What I don't

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Ortwin Regel
> > > > > > > > > -- > > --- > My skills and contact info: http://www.blcss.com/contactme.php > Public Freenet gateway: http://blcss.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060821/b053bff6/attachment.html>

[freenet-support] help installing 0.7

2006-08-21 Thread MyTwoCents
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Trying to install freenet 0.7 to check it out and I'm running into a problem. On Windows 98SE, I tried at first to simply use http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/freenet-win32.exe but it starts up, I click ok, and it gives me an

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Ortwin Regel
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Rowland
This is the sort of thing that happens when you break backward compatibility and/or interoperability. You throw away all the user base and goodwill you've built up over the years. THAT'S suicide. On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 11:21, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > "Anyway, I won't argue on that because

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
"Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands. The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant

[freenet-support] 2 crashes during night

2006-08-21 Thread freenetw...@web.de
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[freenet-support] 2 crashes during night

2006-08-21 Thread freenetw...@web.de
Which JVM? Which OS? freenet can do ***nothing*** about crashing and buggy Java Environments. Get the current release and check your libraries. >2 crashes during night >

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
.7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet. It's useless for new users. And the security that you say is better has yet to be tested. I wouldn't bet on something that's only been around for a few months vs. something that's been slowly improving for...well, longer than I've known

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Julien Cornuwel
ng on another one that is *already* better ? My 2 cents -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3505 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060821/1f7458e4/attachment.bin>

[freenet-support] It just isn't easy

2006-08-21 Thread an ominous cow herd
You might want to try out the more stable Freenet 0.5 version. There are more users and much more content than the alpha 0.7 version. On Wednesday 16 August 2006 06:33, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > I was going to dedicate a PC and it's resources to Freenet. I installed the > application

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread an ominous cow herd
I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version, and 0.7 as

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread an ominous cow herd
I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the unsupported version, and 0.7 as

Re: [freenet-support] It just isn't easy

2006-08-21 Thread an ominous cow herd
You might want to try out the more stable Freenet 0.5 version. There are more users and much more content than the alpha 0.7 version. On Wednesday 16 August 2006 06:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to dedicate a PC and it's resources to Freenet. I installed the application but don't

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Julien Cornuwel
an ominous cow herd a écrit : I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the

Re: [freenet-support] 2 crashes during night

2006-08-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which JVM? Which OS? freenet can do ***nothing*** about crashing and buggy Java Environments. Get the current release and check your libraries. 2 crashes during night ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org

Re: [freenet-support] 2 crashes during night

2006-08-21 Thread Stefan Grönberg
java version "1.5.0_07" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_07-b03) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_07-b03, mixed mode, sharing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which JVM? Which OS? freenet can do ***nothing*** about crashing and buggy Java Environments. Get the

Re: [freenet-support] 2 crashes during night

2006-08-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SUN current release 1.5.0_08 available at http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp SUN early access 1.6 beta 2 available at http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/ea.jsp I'm running: java version "1.6.0-beta2" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-beta2-b85) Java

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread urza9814
.7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet. It's useless for new users. And the security that you say is better has yet to be tested. I wouldn't bet on something that's only been around for a few months vs. something that's been slowly improving for...well, longer than I've known

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Julien Cornuwel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : .7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet. It's useless for new users. I'm not sure stopping linking it on the website would help it have more users. About content, I see new freesites apearing quite the same rythm as on 0.5 so it's just a

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread urza9814
Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands. The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Ortwin Regel
Freenet works different. Accept it.On 8/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands. The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is thefuture. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Rowland
This is the sort of thing that happens when you break backward compatibility and/or interoperability. You throw away all the user base and goodwill you've built up over the years. THAT'S suicide. On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 11:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I won't argue on that because the

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Ortwin Regel
It's not suicide, it's progression. The people who accept it will enjoy the new, better freenet, those who don't will continue to live in the past until they can be persuaded.On 21 Aug 2006 13:18:13 -0400, Rowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the sort of thing that happens when you break

[freenet-support] Some NPEs on node shutdown

2006-08-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As on toad's request these go here: This appened on node (svn build 10227) shutdown. Exception in thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] java.lang.NullPointerException at java.io.DeleteOnExitHook.add(DeleteOnExitHook.java:33) at java.io.File.deleteOnExit(File.java:936) at

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
We don't have a big enough team to actively support both. On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote: I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users to an alpha version.

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 10:19:15AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet. It's useless for new users. And the security that you say is better has yet to be tested. I wouldn't bet on something that's only been around for a few months vs.

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
There were good reasons, and we will try not to do it again before 1.0. On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 01:18:13PM -0400, Rowland wrote: This is the sort of thing that happens when you break backward compatibility and/or interoperability. You throw away all the user base and goodwill you've built up

[freenet-support] 0.7 Install help for w87se

2006-08-21 Thread nobody
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[freenet-support] help installing 0.7

2006-08-21 Thread MyTwoCents
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Trying to install freenet 0.7 to check it out and I'm running into a problem. On Windows 98SE, I tried at first to simply use http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/freenet-win32.exe but it starts up, I click ok, and it gives me an

Living In The Past (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread Rowland
Oh no we won't give in, let's go living in the past. A future that severs all connections with the past and present is no future at all. It's just a fantasy. On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 13:44, Ortwin Regel wrote: It's not suicide, it's progression. The people who accept it will enjoy the new, better

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread an ominous cow herd
If we look at the history of the Freenet project, we will see that there were stable and unstable versions. There were times that the unstable version was more stable than the stable version. New users were directed to the stable version while the developers and some adventurous users would

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread an ominous cow herd
Progress can be done in ways that will minimize the pain of progression. In the past, Freenet had stable and unstable branches. New users were directed to the stable branch while developers and the adventurous users used the unstable branch. This worked well in the past. What I don't

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-21 Thread an ominous cow herd
I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding.  It's fine the way it is.  It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it unsupported while directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make