[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
>From: "Lars Juel Nielsen" >to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick >them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts >are part of it. Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting someone in. All they have to do is go to the IRC Chat and

Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread Juiceman
On 8/24/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > opennets are only bad in certain circumstances. The USA is not yet one > of them. With a darknet, it may be harder to get into the network, but > once your in it's a LOT easier to identify who is sharing and > inserting what files. So it could be argued

Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
opennets are only bad in certain circumstances. The USA is not yet one of them. With a darknet, it may be harder to get into the network, but once your in it's a LOT easier to identify who is sharing and inserting what files. So it could be argued that a darknet is much riskier than an opennet. In

Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
So by running 0.7 in default mode I'm running in darknet? Or is there another piece of the freenet puzzle I need to discover? >From: "Evan Daniel" >Reply-To: evand at pobox.com, support at freenetproject.org >To: "diddler4u at hotmail.com" >CC: support at freenetproject.org >Subject: Re:

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and to the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered, 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task. As I see it 0.7 relies on a

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Juiceman
On 8/24/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > True, but the opennet isn't illegal. > I'm not in any way saying the darknet shouldn't be added...it's a > great feature...but freenet has always been an opennet, and that > should be done first. People who want a darknet are probably already > using

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread nob...@geonosis.homelinux.net
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Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
Evan, Would you define this statement? "they're (developers) working against a very real clock." _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
"As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a

Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
0.7 is currently darknet only. 0.5 is opennet only. On 8/24/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > So by running 0.7 in default mode I'm running in darknet? Or is there > another piece of the freenet puzzle I need to discover? > > > >From: "Evan Daniel" > >Reply-To: evand at pobox.com, support

Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread Evan Daniel
On 8/24/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > Evan, > > Would you define this statement? "they're (developers) working against a > very real > clock." Happily. At some point, running Freenet will (likely) become illegal, assuming current trends continue. This includes in the West. It may

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. Pretty

[freenet-support] Query

2006-08-24 Thread Nicholas Sturm
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
I've got a question for the developers. First a couple of comments. I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it somewhere else I welcome it. I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. I don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do

[freenet-support] Query

2006-08-24 Thread Mel Charters
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Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread Evan Daniel
On 24 Aug 2006 10:46:58 -0400, Rowland wrote: > A me-too and a summary of the discussion thus far as I see it: > > 1. Breaking backward compatibility is a bad thing. > 2. Saying you won't ever do it again is small comfort. > 3. Providing a migration path would help a lot. > 4. I don't care about

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread freenetw...@web.de
t; > Van > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Support mailing list > > > > Support at freenetproject.org > > > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > > > Unsubscribe at

Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Rowland
A me-too and a summary of the discussion thus far as I see it: 1. Breaking backward compatibility is a bad thing. 2. Saying you won't ever do it again is small comfort. 3. Providing a migration path would help a lot. 4. I don't care about the darknet. I don't object to its existence but I have

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread David 'Bombe' Roden
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[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953

2006-08-24 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 15:19, Matthew Toseland wrote: > - Don't start the updater if the wrapper is broken I have problems with this one. I do not run the wrapper - I do want freenet to download new stable versions and then quit. I have the java command that starts freenet in a loop and

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-support] System error 1067

2006-08-24 Thread Matthew Toseland
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Choose: 1) 0.5: - the branch stable is in effect the branch unstable. both share the same code, eventhough the 'stable' is called 0.5 and the unstable "pre 0.6" or something like that - unstable (eventhough the branch is called 'stable'): there are still major problems with the

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddler4u
I've got a question for the developers. First a couple of comments. I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it somewhere else I welcome it. I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. I don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I

Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Rowland
A me-too and a summary of the discussion thus far as I see it: 1. Breaking backward compatibility is a bad thing. 2. Saying you won't ever do it again is small comfort. 3. Providing a migration path would help a lot. 4. I don't care about the darknet. I don't object to its existence but I have

Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread Evan Daniel
On 24 Aug 2006 10:46:58 -0400, Rowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A me-too and a summary of the discussion thus far as I see it: 1. Breaking backward compatibility is a bad thing. 2. Saying you won't ever do it again is small comfort. 3. Providing a migration path would help a lot. 4. I don't

Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread diddler4u
Evan, Would you define this statement? they're (developers) working against a very real clock. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!

[freenet-support] Query

2006-08-24 Thread Nicholas Sturm
Should not this paragraph say how one gets to it? Is there a Help Site that goes deeper into the questions newbies may have about Freenet, and where people can contribute too?Yes, an unofficial, more elaborate Freenet Help Site was created, to go deeper into the questions newbies may have

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9814
Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. Pretty

Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread Evan Daniel
On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evan, Would you define this statement? they're (developers) working against a very real clock. Happily. At some point, running Freenet will (likely) become illegal, assuming current trends continue. This includes in the West. It may

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddler4u
What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and to the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered, 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task. As I see it 0.7 relies on a

Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread diddler4u
So by running 0.7 in default mode I'm running in darknet? Or is there another piece of the freenet puzzle I need to discover? From: Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], support@freenetproject.org To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: support@freenetproject.org

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9814
As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a

Re: [freenet-support] Query

2006-08-24 Thread Mel Charters
Title: Re: [freenet-support] Query Try http://web.archive.org/web/20050312175911/http://www.freenethelp.org/html/FreenetForDummies.html#WikiHeadnote_200 for archived Free Help site Should not this paragraph say how one gets to it? Is there a Help Site that goes deeper into the questions

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9814
True, but the opennet isn't illegal. I'm not in any way saying the darknet shouldn't be added...it's a great feature...but freenet has always been an opennet, and that should be done first. People who want a darknet are probably already using other programs like Waste. If they start thinking

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddler4u
From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it. Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting someone in. All they have to do is go to the

Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread Juiceman
On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So by running 0.7 in default mode I'm running in darknet? Or is there another piece of the freenet puzzle I need to discover? It is a darknet because unless you give out your ref to someone (like currently on IRC but that will change

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Juiceman
On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, but the opennet isn't illegal. I'm not in any way saying the darknet shouldn't be added...it's a great feature...but freenet has always been an opennet, and that should be done first. People who want a darknet are probably already

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it. Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, but the opennet isn't illegal. I'm not in any way saying the darknet shouldn't be added...it's a great feature...but freenet has always been an opennet, and that should be done first. People who want a darknet are probably already

Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9814
opennets are only bad in certain circumstances. The USA is not yet one of them. With a darknet, it may be harder to get into the network, but once your in it's a LOT easier to identify who is sharing and inserting what files. So it could be argued that a darknet is much riskier than an opennet.

Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7

2006-08-24 Thread Juiceman
On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: opennets are only bad in certain circumstances. The USA is not yet one of them. With a darknet, it may be harder to get into the network, but once your in it's a LOT easier to identify who is sharing and inserting what files. So it could be