[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 vs 0,7 moving discussion

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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
Evan, You are right - there is a lot of data to show that social networks do expand in the method being said here, but that data is based on known, non-anonymous social networks. In an anonymous network the rule of thumb is trust no one. If an openet is not the solution, neither is posting

[freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

2006-08-27 Thread Juiceman
On 8/27/06, Nicholas Sturm wrote: > Even freenet has a habit of talking about places without providing a > pointer. Is that a built-in property of most freetnet folks. I.e., if I > know what I'm talking about then everyone knows about it? >

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
> > Really, if you don't trust anyone, you shouldn't be using the internet, > and you probably should reconsider whether life is worth living. :) > I trust a lot of people a little bit. I don't trust many people a lot. And I've never really become acquainted philosophically with anyone on

[freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
Even freenet has a habit of talking about places without providing a pointer. Is that a built-in property of most freetnet folks. I.e., if I know what I'm talking about then everyone knows about it? > [Original Message] > From: Juiceman > To: > Date: 8/27/2006 12:22:42 PM > Subject: Re:

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2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 8/27/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. > Hmmm. Except they won't be using the opennet at all if they're serious enough about keeping their net and themselves safe that they won't use IRC to find new connections. The end result of

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
Exactly. The theory of a darknet is you connect to people that you already know and trust. Now, there's a good chance of getting a worldwide-net because someone in group A may know and trust someone in group B, but chances are that not all of group A knows all of group B. For a real-world

[freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

2006-08-27 Thread Juiceman
On 8/27/06, - wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > Great discussion I have a few questions too, but should we move it to another > list? > I feel bad about having started it here, > > Van > The chat mailinglist would be better. Thanks :) -- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend,

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Evan Daniel
Please justify your assumptions. There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how they look. I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet darknet would be built upon would be different. Evan On 8/26/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > Yea, but you don't know all

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread George Orwell
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: >On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: >> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
I got nothing. No 'icon', no tags to place an icon, nothing. On 8/27/06, Nicholas Sturm wrote: > When I opened the message below all that displayed was an icon. When I > attempted to save the icon all hell broke loose. My mail client was > closed. After some attempts I was able to reboot and

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or even one of a small few. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Maybe a T1 or T3 could handle it, but not what 90+% of the people using freenet would have to work with. As I follow these threads I begin to see a core group

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2006-08-27 Thread [Anon] Anon User
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext In <35af28770608261648v10edeb06mee2478eebf1be3b0 at mail.gmail.com> urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: >Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. >Hmmm. > >On 8/26/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: >> >>Freenet

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
When I opened the message below all that displayed was an icon. When I attempted to save the icon all hell broke loose. My mail client was closed. After some attempts I was able to reboot and the spamblocker (earthlink) had examined the message and found nothing suspicious. However now I found

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
>>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to >>everyone else.

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if you get this global network of

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9814
I got nothing. No 'icon', no tags to place an icon, nothing. On 8/27/06, Nicholas Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I opened the message below all that displayed was an icon. When I attempted to save the icon all hell broke loose. My mail client was closed. After some attempts I was able

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 8/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. Hmmm. Except they won't be using the opennet at all if they're serious enough about keeping their net and themselves safe that they won't use IRC to find new connections. The

[freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

2006-08-27 Thread -
Hi, Great discussion I have a few questions too, but should we move it to another list? I feel bad about having started it here, Van ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Evan Daniel
Please justify your assumptions. There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how they look. I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet darknet would be built upon would be different. Evan On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, but you

Re: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

2006-08-27 Thread Juiceman
On 8/27/06, - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Great discussion I have a few questions too, but should we move it to another list? I feel bad about having started it here, Van The chat mailinglist would be better. Thanks :) -- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread diddler4u
Evan, You are right - there is a lot of data to show that social networks do expand in the method being said here, but that data is based on known, non-anonymous social networks. In an anonymous network the rule of thumb is trust no one. If an openet is not the solution, neither is posting

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9814
Exactly. The theory of a darknet is you connect to people that you already know and trust. Now, there's a good chance of getting a worldwide-net because someone in group A may know and trust someone in group B, but chances are that not all of group A knows all of group B. For a real-world

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 vs 0,7 moving discussion

2006-08-27 Thread -
Hi, I'm attempting to move this discussion the the chat list as requested, I've posted there and looking forward to your replies! If you're not subscribed you can look at it here: http://archives.freenetproject.org/list/chat.en.html ___

RE: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
I guess you could move it to a place where many of us don't know how to get too. So much has changed from the early freenet that I have found very little of what I once knew about. - Original Message - From: - To: support@freenetproject.org Sent: 8/27/2006 12:15:36 PM Subject:

Re: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
Even freenet has a habit of talking about places without providing a pointer. Is that a built-in property of most freetnet folks. I.e., if I know what I'm talking about then everyone knows about it? [Original Message] From: Juiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: support@freenetproject.org Date:

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
Really, if you don't trust anyone, you shouldn't be using the internet, and you probably should reconsider whether life is worth living. :) I trust a lot of people a little bit. I don't trust many people a lot. And I've never really become acquainted philosophically with anyone on freenet.

Re: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?

2006-08-27 Thread Juiceman
On 8/27/06, Nicholas Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even freenet has a habit of talking about places without providing a pointer. Is that a built-in property of most freetnet folks. I.e., if I know what I'm talking about then everyone knows about it?