[freenet-support] Questions 2
On 10/23/08, Luke771 wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:18:40 -0400
> "fred simpson" wrote:
>
>> a) Can you be traced by your ID if someone gets your IP while you are
>> in low or normal stranger mode?
>
> If you mean whether your Frost or FMS identity can be linked to your real
> life ID, the answer is no. More exactly, not unless you do something stupid
> or you decide to let your ID be traceable.
>
> Using the insecure mode (aka Opennet) it is very easy to determine the you
> ('you' as in real life identity) are running Freenet, but there is no way to
> link your real life identity to your Frost or FMS identity, or determine
> that 'real-life you' has authored one particular freesite.
> In other words, as long as there arent any laws that make anonymous
> networking illegal in your country of residence, you should be fine even
> with insecure mode: they can tell that you run Freenet but they can't tell
> what you do with it.
>
> In theory, it is possible for a peer to figure out what files you 'probably'
> download using a correlation attack, which is another strong point in favor
> of darknet: only connect to peers that you trust not to try and eavesdrop
> your requests. In practice though, an attack of that kind doesn't give
> certainity but only a fair probability. In court, that would mean that your
> fate depends on how good your lawyer is, and another bunch of human factors.
>
Thanks a lot but wouldn't it be relatively easy for someone to get
your IP while you're in opennet mode and then become one of your
friends before OR AFTER you go into darknetmode?
>>
>> b) How do you access Freenet through tor?
>
> You don't.
>
I have Torbutton on while I access Freenet through Firefox. What is that?
>>
>> c) Has anyone ever been arrested for the content they accessed using
>> Freenet?
>
> Not that I'm aware of. Not in the West. It is possible that it has happened
> and I don't know about it.
> If authorities suspect you to possess illegal files and seize your computer,
> you're pretty much screwed. You may have a chance if you have taken
> precautions that have nothing to do with Freenet (it's mostly about file
> storage).
>
I'm assuming that means encrypting your drive.
>>
>> d) Is it possible to have multiple Freenet ID's? If so, can you use
>> them at the same time?
>
> If you mean Frost or FMS identity, the answer is yes. And yes.
> A pretty common mistake is to send messages using the 'wrong' ID. I did that
> a number of times and eventually gave up on trying to keep a 'secret ID'. I
> don't need it anyway, so I din't try to do that using a safer setup, but
> that is possible, and pretty easy: for instance you may run separated
> instances of Frost in different directories (you may need to set them to use
> different ports, or run one at a time, I can't tell right now because I
> haven't run Frost in a long time).
> FMS doesn't need several instances because it uses a news client rather than
> its own client like Frost does, if the point is to avoid sending a message
> with the wriong ID, using separated news clients for different ID's would
> do.
I meant multiple instances of Freenet. I'd like one instance in
opennet and one instance in darknet. For downloading non-sensitive
files and communicating non-sensitive information and for downloading
sensitive files and communicating sensitive information, respectively
>>
>
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[freenet-support] Questions
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:18:40 -0400
"fred simpson" wrote:
> a) Can you be traced by your ID if someone gets your IP while you are
> in low or normal stranger mode?
If you mean whether your Frost or FMS identity can be linked to your real life
ID, the answer is no. More exactly, not unless you do something stupid or you
decide to let your ID be traceable.
Using the insecure mode (aka Opennet) it is very easy to determine the you
('you' as in real life identity) are running Freenet, but there is no way to
link your real life identity to your Frost or FMS identity, or determine that
'real-life you' has authored one particular freesite.
In other words, as long as there arent any laws that make anonymous networking
illegal in your country of residence, you should be fine even with insecure
mode: they can tell that you run Freenet but they can't tell what you do with
it.
In theory, it is possible for a peer to figure out what files you 'probably'
download using a correlation attack, which is another strong point in favor of
darknet: only connect to peers that you trust not to try and eavesdrop your
requests. In practice though, an attack of that kind doesn't give certainity
but only a fair probability. In court, that would mean that your fate depends
on how good your lawyer is, and another bunch of human factors.
>
> b) How do you access Freenet through tor?
You don't.
>
> c) Has anyone ever been arrested for the content they accessed using
> Freenet?
Not that I'm aware of. Not in the West. It is possible that it has happened and
I don't know about it.
If authorities suspect you to possess illegal files and seize your computer,
you're pretty much screwed. You may have a chance if you have taken precautions
that have nothing to do with Freenet (it's mostly about file storage).
>
> d) Is it possible to have multiple Freenet ID's? If so, can you use
> them at the same time?
If you mean Frost or FMS identity, the answer is yes. And yes.
A pretty common mistake is to send messages using the 'wrong' ID. I did that a
number of times and eventually gave up on trying to keep a 'secret ID'. I don't
need it anyway, so I din't try to do that using a safer setup, but that is
possible, and pretty easy: for instance you may run separated instances of
Frost in different directories (you may need to set them to use different
ports, or run one at a time, I can't tell right now because I haven't run Frost
in a long time).
FMS doesn't need several instances because it uses a news client rather than
its own client like Frost does, if the point is to avoid sending a message with
the wriong ID, using separated news clients for different ID's would do.
>
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[freenet-support] Uninstall Freenet on Mac
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:36:13 -0700 Erin Dalzell wrote: > How do I completely uninstall Freenet on Mac OS X 10.5.5? > Provided that you installed Freenet in the default directory, open a terminal (should be in /Apps/terminal.app IIRC) In the terminal, type: java -jar /Users//Freenet/Uninstaller/Uninstaler.jar where is your login name, and hit enter. GUI way: - Browse to your Freenet directory (default /Users//Freenet) - In the freenet directory, you should find a folder called 'Uninstaller', and inside that folder there is a file called Uninstaller.jar, which is a Java executable: run it to completely uninstall Freenet. It also gives you an option to delete the Freenet direcotry itself. Now, I don't remember if MacOSX lets you run .jar file double clicking on them, or maybe it gives you a 'run' option in the contest menu; anyway the point is that you have to run the Uninstaller.jar. If your OS goves you an 'extract' option, ignore it. You have to run the .jar as it is, not extract it. Alternatively, if you for any reason can't run the Uninstaller.jar, you may simply delete the Freenet directory with all its content. All the Freenet stuff always stays in the Freenet directory, so deleting that directory will effectively uninstall everything. Only if you have set Freenet to autostart when you start the computer, manually deleting the Freenet directory would leave the Freenet autostart command in place (there is surely an easy way to get rid of it but you'll have to wait for someone who actually know MacOSX to tell you how to do that). Anyways, a command pointing to a non-existent file does no harm at all, the system would simply fail to locate the target and ignore the command. -- FAFS - The Freenet Applications FreeSite USK at ugb~uuscsidMI-Ze8laZe~o3BUIb3S50i25RIwDH99M,9T20t3xoG-dQfMO94LGOl9AxRTkaz~TykFY-voqaTQI,AQACAAE/FAFS/40/ freemail: luke771 at MJWEES3VJBMS2ZKMIJUECT3SJB3UK5SBKBAVQYJQO5FXGWSROE2USNDKNMZU2SK2ORXUKLDZJYWXQUSNMRYUCWD6IF3HAULWKRKWW2SJJVEGQQTDNNKGYMRWKFZW6V3ONNIDKQ3DKR3SYQKRIFBUCQKF.freemail
Re: [freenet-support] Questions 2
On 10/23/08, Luke771 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:18:40 -0400
fred simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
a) Can you be traced by your ID if someone gets your IP while you are
in low or normal stranger mode?
If you mean whether your Frost or FMS identity can be linked to your real
life ID, the answer is no. More exactly, not unless you do something stupid
or you decide to let your ID be traceable.
Using the insecure mode (aka Opennet) it is very easy to determine the you
('you' as in real life identity) are running Freenet, but there is no way to
link your real life identity to your Frost or FMS identity, or determine
that 'real-life you' has authored one particular freesite.
In other words, as long as there arent any laws that make anonymous
networking illegal in your country of residence, you should be fine even
with insecure mode: they can tell that you run Freenet but they can't tell
what you do with it.
In theory, it is possible for a peer to figure out what files you 'probably'
download using a correlation attack, which is another strong point in favor
of darknet: only connect to peers that you trust not to try and eavesdrop
your requests. In practice though, an attack of that kind doesn't give
certainity but only a fair probability. In court, that would mean that your
fate depends on how good your lawyer is, and another bunch of human factors.
Thanks a lot but wouldn't it be relatively easy for someone to get
your IP while you're in opennet mode and then become one of your
friends before OR AFTER you go into darknetmode?
b) How do you access Freenet through tor?
You don't.
I have Torbutton on while I access Freenet through Firefox. What is that?
c) Has anyone ever been arrested for the content they accessed using
Freenet?
Not that I'm aware of. Not in the West. It is possible that it has happened
and I don't know about it.
If authorities suspect you to possess illegal files and seize your computer,
you're pretty much screwed. You may have a chance if you have taken
precautions that have nothing to do with Freenet (it's mostly about file
storage).
I'm assuming that means encrypting your drive.
d) Is it possible to have multiple Freenet ID's? If so, can you use
them at the same time?
If you mean Frost or FMS identity, the answer is yes. And yes.
A pretty common mistake is to send messages using the 'wrong' ID. I did that
a number of times and eventually gave up on trying to keep a 'secret ID'. I
don't need it anyway, so I din't try to do that using a safer setup, but
that is possible, and pretty easy: for instance you may run separated
instances of Frost in different directories (you may need to set them to use
different ports, or run one at a time, I can't tell right now because I
haven't run Frost in a long time).
FMS doesn't need several instances because it uses a news client rather than
its own client like Frost does, if the point is to avoid sending a message
with the wriong ID, using separated news clients for different ID's would
do.
I meant multiple instances of Freenet. I'd like one instance in
opennet and one instance in darknet. For downloading non-sensitive
files and communicating non-sensitive information and for downloading
sensitive files and communicating sensitive information, respectively
--
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Re: [freenet-support] Questions 2
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:29:24 -0400 fred simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/23/08, Luke771 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:18:40 -0400 fred simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Can you be traced by your ID if someone gets your IP while you are in low or normal stranger mode? snip Thanks a lot but wouldn't it be relatively easy for someone to get your IP while you're in opennet mode and then become one of your friends before OR AFTER you go into darknetmode? If you connect to someone in darknet mode, that peason is supposed to be a friend, trusted by default. And if you run opennet, you know that you can't hide that you run Freenet. Someone that gets to know that you run freenet because he peered to your IP through opennet is someone that you don't trust enough to tell him that you're running Freenet -therefore, you shouldn't connect him to your darknet. And yes, we all can misplace our trust. Somone that you believed to be a friend can sell your ass for much lower price than you imagined, possibly even for the pure pleasure of getting you busted. That kind of things has always happened and always will happen. You can try to minimize the risk but you can't possibly reduce them to a nice round zero. b) How do you access Freenet through tor? You don't. I have Torbutton on while I access Freenet through Firefox. What is that? You're not accessing Freenet through Tor. If you check how your proxy settings look like while Torbutton is activated, (tools or settings menu according to your system, then preferences = Advanced = Network = settings) you'll find that the second field from the bottom is marked 'No proxy for...' and the value in the field is '127.0.0.1, localhost'. That means that when you type 127.0.0.1 or localhost in your browser's address field, Firefox skips the proxy. he West. It is possible that it has happened and I don't know about it. If authorities suspect you to possess illegal files and seize your computer, you're pretty much screwed. You may have a chance if you have taken precautions that have nothing to do with Freenet (it's mostly about file storage). I'm assuming that means encrypting your drive. You're assuming wrong. All they need is a password. The police will simply kick your ass until you give up your password. And They are trained professionals who know physical and psychological techniques to extract information. That is, unless you live in some idyllic country in Northern Europe, where the police do not kick uspects' ass and you would get to choose between giving up your password or facing a prison sentence for the crime of not giving up your password (that's for your own good, boy) Your only defense is don't get caught -ever-. If they find an encrypted disk, you're just as screwed as you would be if you had your data stored in clear, plus some good ass-kicking. With some research (read: google) you can learn how to configure LUKS (maybe even Truecrypt) to make your encrypted partitions luck like they're simply unformatted. Not that it would help much if the bad guys happen to -know- that the data is there (and there are thousands of way to find out, including asking YOU, say on a mailing list. d) Is it possible to have multiple Freenet ID's? If so, can you use them at the same time? If you mean Frost or FMS identity, the answer is yes. And yes. snip I meant multiple instances of Freenet. I'd like one instance in opennet and one instance in darknet. For downloading non-sensitive files and communicating non-sensitive information and for downloading sensitive files and communicating sensitive information, respectively Yes, you can have multiple instances of Freenet on the same box. If you run the installer while a node is already running, your new node will be automatically configured to use different ports for FProxy and for connecting to apps such as Frost or Thaw. In the same way, you can run the installer a third time while the two existing nodes are running, and the third node will use a third set of ports. However, you will need to configure the applications (Thaw, Frost, etc) to make them connect to the second node (or the third etc), because they would all connect to the first node by default (port 9481) Anyways, I don't see much sense in this kind of configuration. I won't even discuss wehther or not it would be more secure than simply running a node the way it's supposed to be run (it probably isn't), the only thing that I'm going to point out is that you have accessed a mailing list, declared that you use Freenet, given some clue about your nationality and colural background, and pretty much stated that you are interested in downloading illegal files. If I was you, I'd stay the hell off anything more illegal than mowing your lawn at the wrong time of the day. -- FAFS - The Freenet Applications FreeSite [EMAIL
