Re: [freenet-support] Is freenet a Geek only system?
On Tuesday 22 Feb 2011 14:46:33 Jelbert Holtrop wrote: ahh no reply to in the header. Sorry Matthew for sending the mail directly to you. On the support list I always reply to all, because the poster might not be subscribed. Begin forwarded message: From: Jelbert Holtrop holt...@xs4all.nl Date: 22 February 2011 15:42:18 CET To: Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Is freenet a Geek only system? Great it works now! Maybe I should make a blog about the way I stumble through freenet and finally get things working On 22 Feb 2011, at 01:13, Matthew Toseland wrote: On Monday 21 Feb 2011 23:18:49 Jelbert Holtrop wrote: On 21 Feb 2011, at 22:46, Matthew Toseland wrote: You are missing a library but I dunno which one. We really need somebody to maintain an OS/X version of FMS. There is an old version on a freesite but it may be too old. And here i'm at the end of my geekyness. Can someone tell me what is going on here and what I should do to (start to) fix this? Have you tried Freetalk? It's in final testing at the moment. Load the following jars from the plugins page: https://checksums.freenetproject.org/latest/WebOfTrust.jar https://checksums.freenetproject.org/latest/Freetalk.jar Unfortunately there is a problem with the HTTPS support in the plugin loader at the moment, so download them to disk (anywhere but not the plugins/ folder), and then load them by filename. Hi Matthew, Can you tell me how to load the files by file name. I tried the 'Add unofficial plugin' and then the url to the local file ie 192.168.8.12/home/WebOfTrust-version-0.4-RC1.jar . That does not work however. I get the error: Could not load plugin. No such file or directory. I also tried with an external webserver with the same result. Just the filename, not the IP address. Try /home/WebOfTrust-version-0.4-RC1.jar If you use an external web server you need to uncheck the only local files box. So how do I load the plugin by file name? Regards, Jelbert signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Monday 21 Feb 2011 07:37:00 Volodya wrote: There are 2.5 current independent forum systems in the wild. FMS, Freetalk and Frost. They work well. (FMS the best. /me ducks/ :). I looked at it but I find it a little tricky: it seems it not only downloads the headers of the postings but the content as well. That way it also downloads all kinds of kiddy porn which, of course, I don't want to have. Not true. At worst it downloads messages containing links to all kinds of evil content - if said messages are posted by people who are visible on your WoT. (I.e. have positive message trust). HOWEVER, Frost DOES at least potentially download actual evil content: an anonymous spammer can force all Frost users subscribed to a board to download any CHKs he wants. Frost is seriously broken. Not strictly true. If we are talking about US/Britain then text story can be classified as 'child pornography' (or 'kiddy porn' as it was called above). In theory yes but a few stories isn't all kinds of kiddy porn. /me wonders whether borrowing a certain book starting with the letter L from your public library will get you added to some sort of paedophile watchlist ... As such any software that is used to communicate can be forced to download child pornography without your knowledge. There may have been cases (which IMHO are very doubtful constitutionally, but IANAL) in some countries where text has been held to be child porn however IMHO pictures and videos of actual abuse are what people are talking about when they say things like the above. They're certainly what I'd be concerned with. I don't think that sharing stories featuring child sex abuse is a particularly healthy activity and I seriously doubt that it helps paedophiles to get by without the real thing, but materials derived from actual abuse are what really matters. In fact the very e-mail client you are using can be abused in such a way. Imagine the scenario where somebody signs up to this e-mail list and posts pornographic story involving somebody who can be argued to be under the age of 18, your client will download this (it has no way to contact a lawyer before downloading each message). It's the same as any other offensive spam. Whenever a spam gets through lots of people unsubscribe, but it's rare and moderating every post (or even every new poster) is not realistic. Frost currently uses an old system (that is going to change) which does allow an attacker to post small bits of any files as a message. Theoretically you will be downloading, although frost won't recognise such file as a valid message in the end. That was one of the ways that attacks were done on Frost. The intention currently seems to be to allow frost to communicate via Freetalk mechanisms. With WoT/Freetalk/FMS, an attacker can still post CHKs. The difference is that on Frost he can flood the whole board with bogus messages and every Frost user subscribed to that board will download the messages (at least until it reaches the red-board anti-DoS message count limit). Whereas on a WoT-based app, you simply stop listening to that identity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] couple of questions
On Friday 18 Feb 2011 15:04:00 Dennis Nezic wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:34:46 +0100, folkert wrote: Odd: I always get a password error. There is a known bug[0] that makes it impossible to login with a username containing a -, even though accounts can be created with those names. Aah ok, that indeed is then the issue. That was one of the issues. The other was an incorrect hostname and portnumber for FCP. So my freemail address is: folk...@vanheusden.com.freemail (Just a side note, IMHO short freemail addresses are a bug, and shouldn't be allowed in future versions. They are trivial to spoof, and increase the odds that things won't work (by having another rare (KSK) key to fetch.)) Are they in fact trivial to spoof though? It depends on how old the KSK is; the next version of Freemail will reinsert it (regularly? zidel?) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] safe?
On Sunday 20 Feb 2011 20:05:14 folkert wrote: Ok someone told me in private e-mail that it is nog encrypted. For that I have the followup questions: which file is the database? can I (securely) delete it every time and will it then still remember the options set? and is it possible to select where it stores this messages database? then it would be possible to just create an encrypted filesystem at every boot with a random password. problem solved. Yes but it takes time (and many CAPTCHAs) to announce a new identity. :| signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] idea
On Friday 18 Feb 2011 19:40:59 Dennis Nezic wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:01:10 +0100, folkert wrote: What about that the freenet daemon periodically (configurable/disable-ble of course) announces itself on the lan(s) to which it is connected? That way freenet-nodes can interconnect and speed up distribution of data. There is a plugin: MDNSDiscovery. This uses it to announce FCP, but you still need to open FCP to the LAN... I think this is also possible with UPnP. Not sure if we use it there. Data distribution on Freenet doesn't work like that. Data segments are actually spread all across Freenet, ideally with no particular peer having a large portion of a large splitfile. I don't think having fast random LAN connections would speed things up -- the bottleneck will still be the LAN's connection to the Internet. (Not to mention the fact that it would be at least somewhat less secure. (Better chance of traffic analysis and such tricks against you.)) We did think about an is the lan trusted? option some time ago. This would both announce and open FCP and Fproxy. Unfortunately defining the lan is hard, when big untrusted NATed networks (e.g. ISPs in russia etc) often use private address space, and autodetecting it *reliably* is also hard. You should however peer with the other computers on your LAN, if you know their operators, of course. Which hopefully you do if the LAN is trusted! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] idea
On Friday 18 Feb 2011 19:40:59 Dennis Nezic wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:01:10 +0100, folkert wrote: What about that the freenet daemon periodically (configurable/disable-ble of course) announces itself on the lan(s) to which it is connected? That way freenet-nodes can interconnect and speed up distribution of data. Data distribution on Freenet doesn't work like that. Data segments are actually spread all across Freenet, ideally with no particular peer having a large portion of a large splitfile. I don't think having fast random LAN connections would speed things up -- the bottleneck will still be the LAN's connection to the Internet. (Not to mention the fact that it would be at least somewhat less secure. (Better chance of traffic analysis and such tricks against you.)) If the requests are served from the other node's cache then the risk against a distant attacker is significantly reduced. The risk against that other node increases, of course - this is the tradeoff. Bottom line, more friends is better if it means you can turn off opennet, and if you do actually know them (even if you don't trust them absolutely, they're still better than opennet). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] idea
On Saturday 19 Feb 2011 19:24:30 Edzard Pasma wrote: Op 19-feb-2011, om 18:21 heeft folkert het volgende geschreven: Ok, that was not your point :-) Ok currently maybe not too many nodes in the net but maybe this changes when governments restrict access to what you can browse. Here in Europe governments already start talking about installing filters. This is why you /don't/ want any kind of broadcasting, or any other kind of leak of identifiable traffic. Just encrypted non-identifiable noise. Then we definately need a solution around the seed nodes. I mean traffic going to them is a big fat warning that someone is doing freenet :-) Folkert van Heusden The seednodes might then once be blocked by authorities in their struggle against the evil. The solution seems to have as many potential seednodes as their are users. Thus one automatically becomes one after a while. The other way around, any foreigner is then a potential seednode. Adddresses can dynamically be collected to be used at a next start. Automatically harvesting seednodes is a possibility. The problems with it are: 1. Many nodes have low uptime. This can be detected. 2. Many nodes have poor connectivity (NATed without port forwarding). This can be detected but is some additional work to be automated and reliable. 3. They could block *ALL* the seednodes. If we do what Tor did and have a server that sends you a small number of seeds out of the global collection, they can still harvest them using lots of gmail addresses, IP addresses etc. This is what the Chinese did with Tor. Note that a gmail address is just a CAPTCHA, and these can be solved in bulk cheaply. 3. Opennet is inherently harvestable: Even if we distribute the seednodes and take all other precautions, it is feasible to find all nodes in order to block them. 4. Opennet is grossly insecure. It may be possible to improve this a bit against an attacker who is not able to connect to all nodes, surround groups of nodes gradually and so on, but IMHO really good security on opennet is very unlikely. Viva darknet! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] internal error
On Saturday 12 Feb 2011 23:38:45 Jelbert Holtrop wrote: Hi, After doing a bunch of downloads via the webinterface, firefox did not give updates to the downloads page anymore. I restarted the brawser and returned to the downloads page and got this report: Internal error: please report java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space at java.util.Arrays.copyOf(Arrays.java:2882) at java.lang.AbstractStringBuilder.expandCapacity(AbstractStringBuilder.java:100) at java.lang.AbstractStringBuilder.append(AbstractStringBuilder.java:572) at java.lang.StringBuilder.append(StringBuilder.java:203) at freenet.support.HTMLEncoder.encodeToBuffer(HTMLEncoder.java:41) at freenet.support.HTMLEncoder.encodeToBuffer(HTMLEncoder.java:34) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:223) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:246) at freenet.support.HTMLNode$HTMLDoctype.generate(HTMLNode.java:309) at freenet.support.HTMLNode.generate(HTMLNode.java:193) at freenet.clients.http.QueueToadlet.handleMethodGET(QueueToadlet.java:934) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) at freenet.clients.http.ToadletContextImpl.handle(ToadletContextImpl.java:544) at freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler.run(SimpleToadletServer.java:862) at freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.realRun(PooledExecutor.java:227) at freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:130) my computer: mac mini 1.83 GHz core 2 duo 2GB memory OSX 10.6.6 What is the memory limit set to in wrapper.conf? Did you only do downloads and fproxy? Did you load any plugins (e.g. WoT)? Did you do any searches? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Bitcoin
On Sunday 09 Jan 2011 14:06:15 ma...@anikin.us wrote: Hi, You should consider taking donations in Bitcoin and other anonymous/pseudonanymous currencies in addition to USD. There are a lot of like-minded people in the anonymous digital currency community. We now accept bitcoin, in case you missed the announcement. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] I don't know if my freenet is working
On Friday 10 Dec 2010 16:28:44 darren buckley wrote: hi I have just downloaded freenet on my windows phone and nothing seems to have happened. I am a complete newbie when it comes to the web so help would be much appreciated.thank u. oh my windows is 6.5 on the omnia 2. Did you figure out how to use Freenet? Do you still have it installed? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Bitcoin
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:33:40 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: On Sunday 09 Jan 2011 14:06:15 ma...@anikin.us wrote: Hi, You should consider taking donations in Bitcoin and other anonymous/pseudonanymous currencies in addition to USD. There are a lot of like-minded people in the anonymous digital currency community. We now accept bitcoin, in case you missed the announcement. Very cool. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] attention users of both freenet networks
you have a right to know USK@1WZPo6qZmlCpi6rZWjtz~kig1gcpcnzh5drmqpW9L8Q,ksaFFDkSJfnOXB3ppYhQ2R14z3W QCYxGqXNERCYcHD0,AQACAAE/wordsoftoad/-1/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] attention users of both freenet networks
On Thursday 24 Feb 2011 23:27:01 Nomen Nescio wrote: you have a right to know USK@1WZPo6qZmlCpi6rZWjtz~kig1gcpcnzh5drmqpW9L8Q,ksaFFDkSJfnOXB3ppYhQ2R14z3W QCYxGqXNERCYcHD0,AQACAAE/wordsoftoad/-1/ I'm only going to say this once. First off, it was nearly 5 years ago. Second, I made it clear in the post and the extensive discussion at the time that Hereticnet and Freenet are (hypothetically) *two* *different* *networks*, using different (albeit related) software. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
