Re: [freenet-support] Freenet on FreeBSD
Paul wrote: I'm working on setting up a freenet node on a machine running FreeBSD 4.6. The java vm that is already installed (and is the most current version) is a java 1.3 vm. Sun does not release a vm for the BSDs. At You really need at last the (possibly latest) 1.4 jvm, sorry. Me, I use the 1.4.2 linux version on NetBSD, and it works very well. -- /~\ The ASCIITLD \ / Ribbon Campaign They that can give up essential liberty to obtain X Against HTMLa little temporary safety deserve neither liberty / \ Email! nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] What are the scales for the histogram plots?
Weiliang Zhang wrote: If that's the case, the bars in the histograms would grow indefinitely?? There seems to be a maximum, when reached, the bars stop growing. That might be explaining why we are seeing de-specialisation? Shouldn't we use ratios instead? From one of the pages, fifth line: scale factor: 0.042384106665849686 (This is used to keep lines 64 characters) That is, every = means about 23.6 units. The limit is 64 characters, then the scale factor kicks in (and resizes everything). This has NOTHING to do with de-specialisation. Have a good day :) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
Toad wrote: 2. I really suspect that more serious bandwidth limiting should be done at an operating system (router) level rather than at the Freenet level. I suspect that's what you'll be told around here. That way you can also take account of things happening other than your node. :-) Perhaps. That would also lead to high message send times though. Freenet needs to know what the limit is even if you use external limiting. Is message send time a problem? I mean, AFAIK freenet is able to recognize links with higher latency and use them as little as possible, thus reducing the outbound traffic over those links in favour of local (=not-so-limited) nodes. The other two possibilities, namely lower bandwidth for all and an add-on to fred, look uninviting: the first because it's just sub-optimal, the second because both it requires much work on fred (to implement the different bandwidth levels and to test them -- how many nodes would benefit from that?) and, for those who need the feature, does not significantly reduce the amount of configuration work (compared to a QOS system). Please correct me if I'm wrong! :) Greetings -- /~\ The ASCIITLD \ / Ribbon Campaign They that can give up essential liberty to obtain X Against HTMLa little temporary safety deserve neither liberty / \ Email! nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Datastore loses keys on restart
Daves Lists wrote: My node was up for 1 day 10 hours when I restarted it to increase the thread limit. After the restart I lost about 6000 keys. My datastore is set to 50 gigs and is no where near full. Below are the stats before and after. Were those just temporary keys that were deleted after the restart?? Im running 5082 on WinXP pro. Probably so. Temporary keys are lost upon restart, and it takes a while (how long?) before they are committed to the store. Up to date, I do not know a way to cleanly bring down the node, where by cleanly I mean all of: completing the transfers pending or in progress (while not accepting new ones), committing or removing temp files, clean exit for the jvm. -- /~\ The ASCIITLD \ / Ribbon Campaign They that can give up essential liberty to obtain X Against HTMLa little temporary safety deserve neither liberty / \ Email! nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet directory sharing between Linux/windoz
Roger Oksanen wrote: I'm guessing that freenet does a listing to decide if there exists a valid datastore. It would not be to efficient to open every file just Lame as it may sound, try disabling the index file for the datastore. -- /~\ The ASCIITLD \ / Ribbon Campaign They that can give up essential liberty to obtain X Against HTMLa little temporary safety deserve neither liberty / \ Email! nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet directory sharing between Linux/windoz
Thomas Guyot-Sionnest wrote: However, everytime I switch OS, I lose all my datastore. Did you try sharing the same node, ??nodes_*, ngrt*, rtprops_* files between the two installations? -- /~\ The ASCIITLD \ / Ribbon Campaign They that can give up essential liberty to obtain X Against HTMLa little temporary safety deserve neither liberty / \ Email! nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Stable Build 5039
This build turns off rejecting queries based on output bandwidth usage, a feature that is unnecessary (we have other ways of limiting bandwidth usage) and counterproductive to routing. Maybe so, but I doubt having a Data waiting to be transmitted value above 30 minutes worth of transmission (with full bandwidth usage) is good for the routing, either. I noticed the value notably lower in the latest builds (in the order of 5-10 minutes) with the bandwidth usage-based queryreject; I hope things won't get Mighty Bad again :) Might a I have the key you need but my band is full and can't send it right now, try searching with the other nodes meanwhile and come back later if you really need it message help such situation? -- /~\ The ASCIITLD \ / Ribbon Campaign They that can give up essential liberty to obtain X Against HTMLa little temporary safety deserve neither liberty / \ Email! nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
[freenet-support] Wrong reporting of used temp size?
If I am reading it right, there is an error. Otherwise, I don't understand what Space used by temp files... means :) Build: 557 Space used by temp files in the data store None # du temp 21672 temp -- --- TLD I have evil to make function freenet ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Build 554: Server sends no data on requeststo port 8888
Allan Beaufour Larsen wrote: I've just upgraded to build 554, and now I get no data when trying to browse localhost:. It worked fine in 552. Any explanation? Stupid Q: Have you restarted the node (shut down and re-launched)? I get the very same error when I haven't restarted the node. -- --- TLD I have evil to make function freenet ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Build 554: Server sends no data on requeststo port 8888
Success, for me. Good job :) Matthew Toseland wrote: D*mn, is that's all there's too it. Why did have I ignored that for so long time... Oh well, tried that to, and it doesn't work either. Build 555 should fix all this... does it? -- --- TLD I have evil to make function freenet ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Suggestions (was: Re: [freenet-support] Lamer Help)
Pete wrote: sending them to the mailing list is a tad pointless, I mailed mine into the list to help the guy who started the Lamer help thread, but it got put to one side for moderation, as it was larger than 40k, so that'll never see the light of day again as the lists aren't really moderated, anything that ends up there gets deleted. What about compression? 40k max size would mean about 28k (plus headers and such) of stuff, I think a compressed seednodes.ref (maybe chopped down to fit the size) would be small enough; every platform I can think of has support for zip or gzip files so that should not be a big problem. -- --- TLD Oh, how uncomfortable that word must feel on your lips: evil. Good...there is no good, there is no evil. There is only flesh, and the patterns to which we submit it. [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
[freenet-support] Mail me
Here it is, the mail :D -- --- TLD Oh, how uncomfortable that word must feel on your lips: evil. Good...there is no good, there is no evil. There is only flesh, and the patterns to which we submit it. [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet noob needs help with setup
Byron Gibson wrote: The request couldn't even make it off of your node. Try again, perhaps with the GPL to help your node learn about others. Did you seed your node? For the first run, you need to download (or have someone send you) seednodes.ref , as explained on the documentation. -- --- TLD ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
[freenet-support] Maxmimum number of connections?
Hello. I have noticed that my node dies when number of opened connections reach 50. I am using #537 I get loads of inbound traffic, so it takes less than a minute to reach 50 connections and crash again. Then a script kicks in and reloads freenet for another couple of minutes, and so on. I have tried with setting maxNodeConnections=35 in freenet.conf, but I still have Number of open connections: 48 or near that. I was told on IRC that maxNodeConnections is deprecated, but I couldn't find an alternative directive, and noone could tell me of one. :( Hence I ask on the mailing list, hoping someone has a solution. I really do not want to shut my node down, and neither to make it transient until a more stable version appear (of either the java machine or the freenet jar). Thank you :) -- --- TLD Oh, how uncomfortable that word must feel on your lips: evil. Good...there is no good, there is no evil. There is only flesh, and the patterns to which we submit it. [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] too free to work
Leo Kortekaas wrote: Cheers, I'm a N00b so PLEASE bear with me. Downloaded freenet, followed instructions, couldn't find Java. (Although I think it was installed (using suse 8.0)). Downloaded the j2re, followd instrutions, rpm-ed file: couldn't find java. Now what? I am now sure that java is installed. Still not getting the hang of user/su stuff. Installed in user mode using su. Hope you can make something out of this, thanx for helping (I hope), best regards, Leo Is java in path? Try running it by hand: write java on the command line and see what comes after. If a no such program error you need it in the path :) If it is, check you have set the appropriate environment variables, like classpaths (depends on what you installed) Hope this helps :) -- --- TLD Oh, how uncomfortable that word must feel on your lips: evil. Good...there is no good, there is no evil. There is only flesh, and the patterns to which we submit it. [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Maxmimum number of connections?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have have read somewhere (i do not know anymore, where i have read it), that the maximum connections are set to the same value as the setting maximumThreadsin the settings. But i do not know, if the setting maximumThreads is also deprecated. So just try it ;) Now, now. This is interesting. I tried lowering the maximumThreads value (to 60 or such). What resulted was even worse than before: 25, 30 connections and it was dead again. So I tried the other way, setting it to 512 (from 120, the default). Its uptime is now 40 minutes, the average number of active connections is about 80 (the top I've seen so far is 138..!) and it's working jolly good. What I'm thinking about is that the what to do when maximumThreads value is reached routine has something bad in it, at least not compatible with the kaffe 1.0.7 I have installed. Hope this helps solving some problems :) P.S.: Have i said already that i cannot write English... It sure is good enough to have the message unerstood :) -- --- TLD Oh, how uncomfortable that word must feel on your lips: evil. Good...there is no good, there is no evil. There is only flesh, and the patterns to which we submit it. [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] maxHopsToLive in Freenet configuration file
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe the default values for rtMaxNodes=50 rtMaxRefs=50 are too low, so your node's connectivity is bad? i increased them both to hold up to 500 entries and within an hour i got 174 noderefs! (okay, i did not have a permanent node, so they had just 1-25 keys assigned, but what the heck ;) Oh my gosh, you are trying to hold 500x500=25 keys! I am quite sure this would end up with a big use of store space, and unless you really have a big one I believe it would eat up space from actual content `:| i wonder if there is any good reason why these values are limited to 50 entries and not to +INF ? I am quite sure about the MaxNodes: if you have a perfect routing table (network is fully connected: everyone knows everyone) then you will probably get things with HTL=1 or something very close. On answer, you and you alone (maybe one or two more) will have cached the content. Hence, things will get much worse (if a couple of nodes go down you loose the files). Also, bigger tables mean more CPU consumption. Also, results get cached in paths. If you get lots of alien keys (those that are not near your node's assigned key) you will loose important data (the one you should be having), causing great havock. Data key localisation is one of the things that make freenet routing algo work. Maybe there are better reasons, or mine has a flaw in it. Anyway, that's what I think :) -- --- TLD Oh, how uncomfortable that word must feel on your lips: evil. Good...there is no good, there is no evil. There is only flesh, and the patterns to which we submit it. [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] ZIPs :p
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RAR - no standard (sigh), no libraries, maybe no documentation or sources to be able to reimplement it? + 100 files to one + best compression so my vote goes to ZIP which is nearly the same as RAR, is cleaner than JAR and combines the best of TAR and GZ, without any drawbacks, comes right with java and ist widely spread Well, I want to say something on that. ZIP do NOT have the best of TAR and GZ. .tar.gz will almost often be better than .zip because .zip does not consider files as a unit: the archive is conceptually the union of small one-file compressed archives. Wow, I sure was unintellegible. ZIP files' central directory resides at the end of file (as you can see when you have a multi-part zip file), which means that if the end is lost you might have hard times rescuing the contents. As for the RAR files (from the quick view of the files), the directory is interleaved with the files, which means that you can start reading files as the archive is coming through. Also, RAR files have the ability to have redundancy (in case of loss of some data) and the solid archiving which ZIP files miss so much. As for the standard/implementation/libraries, the decompressor can be downloaded from http://www.rarlab.com/rar/unrarsrc-3.1.0.tar.gz, C++ source under freeware licence. This means you can decompress natively under almost any platform, but for compressing you still have to resort to the official RAR program (not everyone might be willing to use some IA32+MS-DOS emulator to build archives), which still leaves room for volunteers to grab your files off of FN, pack them, re-upload them (maybe a bot?), then you check the archives' content and send them under SSK. Loads of work, nonetheless :P Also, I'm not sure a java version can be built from the C++ version, perhaps because of license issues, but IANAL and really don't know if it would be possible (maybe a mail to the author of the sw might help with that). In the end, I say that in freenet it should not matter the speed of the decompression, it should the size of the archive: the normal throughput of the 'net will most probably be about 4 (or more!) orders of magnitude of the decompression algo. Also, smaller files means more space available for storage, which in turn raises the chance of a key being held. Hence, I'd say go for the best compressor available out there (to my experience it's RAR, but the issues might be just too many to allow its use) and implement that. Or, build a layer for compressors and allow future extensions (like, start with .zip and eventually add another (de)compressor in another version), but that might bring to freenet dialects, which is something to avoid, esp. in the first time. 'nuff said. Back to my crypt. -- --- TLD There is no Good, one thorough, there is no Evil, there is only Flesh [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Performance on slow hardware
Fredrik Jonson wrote: After restarting freenet, wich by the way is updated to Build: 533 with the update.sh script from the install archive, the system load is back down to 0.16 according to 'top'. Freenet itself claims the estimated load is 53%. I still find it strange that freenet's performance is so poor that merely 10 connections can build up a system load well over 12. Anyone out there who has an explanation for that? Yes, in 533 they fixed the 100% cpu usage bug many people experienced :) -- --- TLD There is no Good, one thorough, there is no Evil, there is only Flesh [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] getting bigger - time to raise defaults?
Zlatin Balevsky wrote: The network is getting bigger and bigger. Most of my requests DNF with htl 15 but are retrieved with 25. Maybe its time to up the defaults a bit. There is a bigger problems with actual implementation of HTLs: unless a node operator explicitly asks otherwise, all requests get out with HTL=15. This means that the node you send the request to will be able to guess (with low probability of error!) that you are the originator of the request. Fixed default HTL is evil. Add (signed) a random number to each request. Fixed default maximum HTL is even more evil. To be more protected you must not use that number, so you have a max HTL=24, with might not suffice for some content. Iff I manage to understand the code I'll try to offer a patch to this problem. Menawhile you are advised to change your configuration from 15/25. -- --- TLD There is no Good, one thorough, there is no Evil, there is only Flesh [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Tired of my complaining yet? If not, read!
Robert Carroll wrote: no matter what. If people need to control access this can be done with a firewall. ssh tunneling is no solution for windows users, unless someone out there knows how this could be done in windows. For windows clients solutions exists: Cygwin's openssh works just great for that. OTOH you need cygwin installed :) If not that, SecureCRT (commercial product) does SSH+port forwarding. Maybe PuTTY (free, IIRC) has port worwarding too, but can't remember well. For servers (freenet running on windows) too: Cygwin's openssh again (this time sshd :) ) And all those neat remote administration tools, ranging from VNC to PCAnywhere to BackOrificeclones ( :) ) HTH -- --- TLD There is no Good, one thorough, there is no Evil, there is only Flesh [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] Tired of my complaining yet? If not, read!
Roger Hayter wrote: A solution suggested on this list was to run a proxy programme (?Squid) on the Freenet server, and, presumably, proxy to a different port for the other machines to contact. Sounds as if it might work, but my server has other little jobs and can't spare resources for another unnecessary daemon. Would be interested to know if it works though? Yup. squid-ding freenet server works just fine. Just ask for http://localhost:/ and that's it. You just need to remember to pass by the proxy to reach the not-local-anymore localhost :) -- --- TLD There is no Good, one thorough, there is no Evil, there is only Flesh [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] getting bigger - time to raise defaults?
Matthew Toseland wrote: Fixed default HTL is evil. Add (signed) a random number to each request. Even that is not sufficient. If you access a site with lots of images and many of the requests go through a particular node, then it can deduce a probability for you being the originator, which gets pretty high if it's a big freesite. The correct response is to implement mixmastered first two hops, which we will not implement before 1.0. I am not sure about what you mean by mixmastering the first two hops. I read it like you're talking about sending originating requests to a random node (no matter if it's nearer to the data), which might work as long as the enemy isn't all around you (in a good %). But what about the second hop (the first is you)? How does he know it has to randomize the path? If the packet is tagged then he knows it's you the sender. If it is not, the best path will be chosen, which in turn might as well go to those nodes you're trying to avoid. Am I missing something? Fixed default maximum HTL is even more evil. To be more protected you must not use that number, so you have a max HTL=24, with might not suffice for some content. Hmmm. Why? BTW, please don't modify the maximum HTL parameter unless you _really_ know what you are doing, if you modify it by hand then future increases in the default value won't be implemented by your node because it will use the overridden value. Why you shouldn't use 25? Because it is a flashing neon light saying it was me who sent that. Why not all content will be reachable? Well, I see that for some content I really have to search thoroughly (more than 20HTL) before I get it. About setting the max HTL, that is not a problem right now. I might as well set it to 1024, I doubt anyone will set the default that high in the near future :). In other words, anyone except me will clamp that value to 25 or whatever default it becomes, and almost nothing changes. I argue that any default fixed value for max HTL could compromise anonimity. I also think max HTL should be a (partially randomized) value. If code for that change will be included I guess it won't matter if I have set my max HTL or not, since max HTL will change over requests. Please correct me if I am wrong. Greetings :) -- --- TLD There is no Good, one thorough, there is no Evil, there is only Flesh [Pinhead] ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
