Re: [freenet-support] Load

2004-07-22 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| No, if you can do that, then you can portscan for Freenet nodes. That's
| a REALLY bad idea. You need to use some sort of seednodes mechanism.
Why is that a bad idea?  If a government is paranoid enough, they can
just put devices all over which block any crypted traffic.
Some sort of way for an effective seednodes file to be chosen or built
quickly, then.
|Obviously clients should be able to override that, but I think that fast
|node connection is feasable, if The Network (TM) was fast enough.
|
|
| Maybe so. But we want them to be USEFUL to the network. That won't
| happen if they're only up for 5 minutes.
They are useful if they make it more popular.  Suppose there is some
lag, say, 30 seconds to a minute to get an effective seednodes.ref.  On
top of that, such a node probably wouldn't be able to have a terribly
big cache.  Then there's incentive for people to whine for permanent
nodes, and it wouldn't be too long before these Public Access Internet
Terminals (or whatever hype word they use now) start being preloaded
with Freenet.

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Re: [freenet-support] Load

2004-07-21 Thread David Masover
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Zenon Panoussis wrote:
|
|
| David Masover wrote:
|
| Of course, if you don't own
| your own computer, how can you trust it?  One-way trust.  Suppose my bro
| trusts me, but I don't trust him, I have root, and he wants Freenet.
|
|
| You don't need root to run it and it's probably a good idea
| to not run it as root even when you are root.
| # useradd -r -d /path/to/freenet freenet
| # su - freenet -c /path/to/start-freenet.sh
|
Just going by the Gentoo package, but thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
I'd rather make it work first and deal with that later.
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Re: [freenet-support] Load

2004-07-21 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| java -cp freenet.jar freenet.Version on a command line?
Freenet: Fred 0.5 (protocol STABLE-1.50) build 5084 (last good build: 5083)
| Show me it.
Same as what you've been seeing in the logs, pretty much.  Since it dies
now same as ever.
Again, those urls are
http://slaphack.com/freenet.conf
http://slaphack.com/freenet.log
| Thanks. That log appears to start from well into execution. Ah, no, it's
| because of logLevel=error.
Oops. logLevel=Normal, for now.
| java -version
java version 1.4.1
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.1-01)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build Blackdown-1.4.1-01, mixed mode)
|| Not possible. Java applets are not able to connect to servers other than
|
|Are not allowed to.  They seem to be able to, if the user clicks yes
|on a do you trust these people? dialog box.
|
|
| Are they? Hmm. If you can prove that that would be really interesting.
Googling for Java IRC Client...
http://www.jpilot.com/products/jirc/demo1.html
You're allowed to connect out to anywhere, if the user grants you
permission.  Or is it just me?  Does this work with the bastardized
Microsoft VM?
| However I don't see Freenet running well as a Java applet, because it
| won't run for long enough...
Freenet clients should be able to find nearby nodes fairly quickly.  I
mean, check which hosts on the local network have a Freenet port open,
traceroute to figure out if we're on NAT and try to find nodes near the
gateway, etc etc.
Obviously clients should be able to override that, but I think that fast
node connection is feasable, if The Network (TM) was fast enough.
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Re: [freenet-support] Load

2004-07-21 Thread David Masover
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TLD wrote:
| what's your mainport.allowedHosts= setting, and what's the IP of the
| computer you're trying to access from?
It's sane.  Or you tell me:
http://slaphack.com/freenet.conf
http://slaphack.com/freenet.log
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Re: [freenet-support] In need of opinions and ideas

2004-07-21 Thread David Masover
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S ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) makes some valid points.  I didn't feel like
quoting the whole thing, but...
They are all moot if there's a big banner inserted onto every page which
points to an explanation of freenet (as well as a disclaimer somewhere),
and some per-ip bandwidth limitations, after which they get redirected
to instructions on how to install their very own Freenet client.
You know, hook them slow, hook them deep.

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Re: [freenet-support] Load

2004-07-20 Thread David Masover
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Zenon Panoussis wrote:
|
| Toad wrote:
|
| The thing is, the lack of search capabilities reduces
| the useability of freenet
|
|
| Of course. There are ways to implement search, however. Sooner or later
| somebody will implement a good spider based anonymous search.
Sooner.  NIM/FROST allows you to send information to someone.  So the
author of a new freesite uses one of those methods to notify the spider
about their new freesite.  Then the spider generates index files, and
provides three interfaces for searching:
- - Download the index files and a search client and run searches
locally.  With a fast freenet and small enough download chunks, this
could be very effective -- at least until the index files get too big.
- - Search via a real web interface -- a gateway somewhere.  This
compromises anonymity of the user, but is faster.
- - Search by entering a query in NIM/FROST, and wait a bit for a
response.  This would require some sort of client software and a fast
freenet to be sane.
I read somewhere (probably on a freesite) about some sort of IRC which
claimed to be completely anonymous.  If there truly is something as fast
as IRC and as anonymous as Freenet, it'd be very helpful for that third
solution.
Unfortunately, I can't work on this at all right now.  My freenet node
looks fine, only I get a connection close from FProxy the instant I try
connecting -- that is, 0 bytes sent/recieved from netcat, The document
contains no data from Firefox.
| of the user. If a non-anonymous search solves one part without
| affecting the other, what's the harm of it?
None, as long as it's _absolutely_clear_ which parts are solved.  If you
make the publisher anonymous but the readers known, you don't want
someone saying ooh, freenet and then using it to visit Porn of Love
from an office computer.  Or worse.  Make huge, bold, red warnings.
| This would
| probably have two components: 1. A spider, which would spider out from
| known freesites, scan NIMs, and Frost traffic, and insert index files.
| 2. A client, probably integrated into fproxy, which would fetch the
| index files that are appropriate to the search given.
|
| You mean creating index files before a search has been made?
| Wouldn't that be highly inaccurate and/or produce massive
| volumes of indices?
It's what Google does.  The spider, known as Googlebot, attempts to
download the entire Internet and index it.  When you run a Google
search, it searches on that (albeit massive) index file.  But the Google
indices are probably huge.  For a sample, download the DMOZ rdf dump --
http://rdf.dmoz.org/.
[...]
| to reach the users of freenet and hushmail; I want it to
| reach the huge and clueless masses who watch CNN and use
| hotmail. And I also want to protect my anonymity damn well.
What about implementing a freenet client as a Java applet, thus allowing
freenet gateways?  You'd need that (no _percieved_ download/install of
software) in order to reach these huge and clueless masses.  You could
just make a public FProxy, but then governments could ask you to give
them the IPs of everyone who viewed a particular Freesite.  Not good.
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Re: [freenet-support] Anyone got Blackdown on

2004-07-20 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| I need the output of:
|  java -version 21 | head -n 1 | sed s/java version \\(.*\)\/\1/
| on Blackdown, in order to fix the start-freenet.sh script to use NPTL
where the
| JVM is 1.4.2 (I have Sun 1.5.0beta).
1.4.1
I'm on Blackdown, and fproxy hasn't worked on my node in awhile.

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Re: [freenet-support] Load

2004-07-20 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 01:33:30AM -0500, David Masover wrote:
|
|Unfortunately, I can't work on this at all right now.  My freenet node
|looks fine, only I get a connection close from FProxy the instant I try
|connecting -- that is, 0 bytes sent/recieved from netcat, The document
|contains no data from Firefox.
|
|
| Ouch. Anything in the logs? Tried restarting? What build?
Only about 20 times, how do I check the build without a working FProxy?
Trying to update to latest stable:
Usually in the logs, it at least tells me something like starting
Freenet, Build X
Now, I get a java.io.IOException as the first log message.
Takes more than 3 mins for port  to start listening.
When it does, wget reports connection reset by peer.
Deleting everything in /var/freenet except seednodes.ref, restarting...
It's been 5 minutes.  Log (/var/freenet/freenet.log) is still empty.
Still not responding.
Some time later, I check back, and -- yet again -- Connection reset by peer.
For debugging purposes (I'm smart enough to remove this once I get
freenet working), I'm going to leave this atrocity running overnight,
with logs and conf files online:
http://slaphack.com/freenet.log
http://slaphack.com/freenet.conf
|
|| of the user. If a non-anonymous search solves one part without
|| affecting the other, what's the harm of it?
|
|None, as long as it's _absolutely_clear_ which parts are solved.  If you
|make the publisher anonymous but the readers known, you don't want
|someone saying ooh, freenet and then using it to visit Porn of Love
|from an office computer.  Or worse.  Make huge, bold, red warnings.
|
|
| Hehe. That's their own silly fault ;). But yes, warnings probably a good
| idea.
Yes, and yes.
n00bishness should be no barrier to revolution.
| Google keeps the entire index in RAM.
*jaw drops*
You learn something new every day.
|[...]
|| to reach the users of freenet and hushmail; I want it to
|| reach the huge and clueless masses who watch CNN and use
|| hotmail. And I also want to protect my anonymity damn well.
|
|What about implementing a freenet client as a Java applet, thus allowing
|freenet gateways?  You'd need that (no _percieved_ download/install of
|software) in order to reach these huge and clueless masses.
|
|
| Not possible. Java applets are not able to connect to servers other than
Are not allowed to.  They seem to be able to, if the user clicks yes
on a do you trust these people? dialog box.
| running a public proxy. However tens of millions of lusers actually know
| how to install software.
Sometimes the problem is knowing how.  Sometimes it's being allowed
to.  Not everyone owns their own computer.  Of course, if you don't own
your own computer, how can you trust it?  One-way trust.  Suppose my bro
trusts me, but I don't trust him, I have root, and he wants Freenet.  Or
suppose someone doesn't care about their own anonymity, but wants
Freenet on a public internet terminal.  The possibilities are endless...
Most end-user types I know don't ever upgrade their software as long as
it seems to work, and few upgrade even when it stops working -- they
reinstall.  Web interface solves all of that, as long as browser cache /
web proxies behave themselves.

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Stunnel Freenet

2004-07-16 Thread David Masover
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Mika Hirvonen wrote:
[...]
| case, you'll be better off running an another node locally.
Speaking of which:
I am leaving Freenet running on my router, in the hopes that FProxy will
eventually start responding, and that when it does, it will eventually
run faster.
Would it be worthwhile to also run a transient node on my local machine,
instead of using FProxy on the router?  (There's only one switch between
them, and if I can't trust my own network hardware, what can I trust?)
How certain can I be that it will find the router as a (very close) peer
node?



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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Stunnel Freenet

2004-07-16 Thread David Masover
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Weiliang Zhang wrote:
| David Masover wrote:
| Mika Hirvonen wrote:
| [...]
| | case, you'll be better off running an another node locally.
|
| Speaking of which:
|
| Would it be worthwhile to also run a transient node on my local machine,
| instead of using FProxy on the router?  (There's only one switch between
| them, and if I can't trust my own network hardware, what can I trust?)
| How certain can I be that it will find the router as a (very close) peer
| node?
|
| I think you can run another node on you machine(not the router), give it
| only one ref which is your node on the router in its seednodes.ref file.
| That way you can do all the FCP work on ur local machine (hopefully it's
| safe).
How do I do this?  I'm not finding seednodes.ref particularly easy to
read.  Can someone give me a template?  Or even do all the work for me
- -- router is 10.0.0.1 :P


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Re: [freenet-support] How much download?

2004-07-12 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| Changing bandwidth limits on the fly may be quite difficult, but we'll get
| around to it eventually.. :)
Really?  Would it be feasable to do an Apache-style graceful restart?
~ (Since files that are really too big should have a splitfile anyway, it
wouldn't take too long for the restart to finish.)
Also, bandwidth limitation can be done elsewhere (the kernel, a piece of
hardware), so maybe we already can change it on the fly on certain
architectures...
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Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems

2004-07-12 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report...
Unless it's causing my slowness, blackdown works fine for me.  I'd
rather be using Kaffe, but I've had issues making that work on Gentoo.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health

2004-07-11 Thread David Masover
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Jay Oliveri wrote:
[...]
| days.  Did you leave it running while properly opening up the port it
uses
| for incoming connections in your firewall (if needed)?
Yes.  It's on the firewall machine, which really only does NAT anyway.
| I have an 2.5G Athlon XP w/ 1G of RAM and I don't notice that it's
running.
| It tends to play nice on my system regardless of my success in getting
any
| data out of it.
I'm talking about bandwidth, and it runs on said firewall machine -- a
200 mhz emachine.
| not sure my archives even go back that far, but the basis for choosing
Java
| should be obvious; platform independence and a rich API that comes
standard
| with the language.
As a purely academic argument, Parrot and .NET both do those things now,
and an API doesn't seem like it'd help that much with Freenet.  It's not
the interface that's broken.
| You don't have much experience with Java then.  Freenet is atypical of a
I'm glad I don't have much experience with Java.  I'll say no more.
| All this aside, when routing doesn't work in Freenet it can't be
blamed on
I like to blame Java, but you're right.
| helping matters much.  It's hoped this will change when one of the Free
| Software implementations of Java (gcj, Kaffe) becomes more stable wrt
| Freenet.
Good luck (and I don't mean that sarcastically).  I've never gotten
Kaffe to run a Hello World program.
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health

2004-07-11 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| On stable? How many live connections? Do you get RNFs? DNFs?
I think stable was actually better last I checked than unstable.  Don't
know RNF or DNF from Dionsaur.  5-10 connections, 2 or 3 loaded before
the browser timed out (guess).
| How much RAM does it have? We have had reports of reasonable performance
256 megs, but it's also running a lot of stuff --
apache,squid,qmail,djbdns,dhcpd,samba,sshd,bincimap,stunnel
Admittedly, there's not a lot of load on it, and a lot of that could be
swapped.  But I'm running Linux 2.6, and Top shows 99% CPU in userland,
by Freenet -- not in IO-Wait, where it would be if RAM was an issue.
| on that class of hardware. OTOH, it's not a big priority at the moment.
What's the bigger priority right now?  Because everything always seemed
to just work for me with Freenet -- it would just do it excruciatingly
slow.
| I don't think Freenet's bandwidth limiting is unobtrusive enough for
| gaming. Having said that, a gamer will tell you that ANYTHING else
| running on the connection will increase his ping. Even if it doesn't! :)
I'm a gamer, and I run web and email on this.  My bro notices when I run
freenet.
| those will be rectified when GCJ works. If we had used C++, we'd have
| spent a year arguing over whether to include a garbage collector. If
| we had used Ocaml, we'd have had even fewer coders than we have now.
If you'd used Perl?  (Ok, that's not fair, and it's moot anyway.)
| I've seen all of the above. Get hold of a copy of Eclipse compiled under
| GCJ sometime...
Will do!  Sometime...
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[freenet-support] Freenet Project health

2004-07-10 Thread David Masover
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What's the health of Freenet as a whole right now?  I'm getting lots of
pages taking forever to load (or never loading), and I think it's still
using 100% CPU on my 200 mhz router on 768k (up and down) DSL, even
though the browser is on another machine...
I was planning to make a permanent node, but I don't run it much
anymore, because my brother games (so he needs high bandwidth and low
latency), and Freenet is still the most costly service I run on that
thing (in terms of CPU, bandwidth, etc.)
I know it's been mentioned before, but I'll state for the record that I
think Java was a bad choice.  Rather than start a new flame war, I'd
like to go read up on why it was chosen (any archives I should look at?).
For the record, I have never, ever seen a java program load quickly, run
even tolerably fast for anything beyond the most basic things, and I've
never seen an open source implementation of Java work firsthand.  I
don't like the syntax, but that's a personal issue -- I'd love to be
proven wrong on this.
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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-15 Thread David Masover
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Michael R. Stork wrote:
| U, no offense, but are you just being intentionally argumentative ?
No, just trying to clear up a possible misconception.  Some people have
this idea that there's some huge difference between a personal computer
and a server.  There's also an idea that you need a firewall, or that a
firewall automatically makes you secure.  In general, people who don't
understand security will look at some new security product and assume it
makes them more secure -- and they will, of course, believe that they
are vulnerable.
There's another email I sent last night which _was_ intentionally
argumentative.
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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-15 Thread David Masover
 so. If they're curious, then they'll ask about it. But if someone is
 asking for an answer to a very specific question, then turning it into

If someone asks Does anyone know how to make crispy bagels in the
microwave and I suggest using a toaster instead for that particular task,
then I'm not directly answering their question, but I may be helping them
more than someone who says Sure, you just use a blowtorch on them
afterwards or something.

That's a bit of an extreme analogy -- I admit Windows isn't quite as bad
as toasting bagels in the microwave.  Not quite.

 an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way

I was suggesting my way.  I wasn't implying that anyone was stupid.

 niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it

I suspect that this niche would include much of freenet.  If I don't even
trust my ISP, how am I supposed to trust Microsoft?

 ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the
 hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and

It's already got something like 25-30% of the web server market.  Don't
you think they've been trying?  Maybe it's the open-source nature, or the
engineering of these systems that makes them more secure?

They are already more stable.  There are Linux machines that have been
running for years.  Is that because it's a niche market?  I doubt
Windows 98 would be any more stable if only 1% of the market used it.

 it'll be some other niche group ranting about how secure their systems
 are.

Either ignore rants or respond to them more intelligently than the ranter.

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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-15 Thread David Masover

 If it's a very old computer it may not be able to run Freenet
 adequately.

It should.  I know it isn't.  Freenet uses 100% CPU wherever I run it.

 Heh. Well, not everyone who runs Freenet is as paranoid as some of our
 users are. :)

They are patient enough with its slowness to be that paranoid :)
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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-15 Thread David Masover
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Michael R. Stork wrote:
| making beef stew. And you telling them that electric is no good, that
| before they do anything else they need to rip out their stove and
| install a gas one. Oh and beef isn't good for them anyway so here's this
| really tasty tofu recipe.
Tofu, maybe.  Replace grill?  I'd at least mention to them that gas is
better, and that since they can't have gas, they might as well adjust
the cooking times to make the electric work better.  I didn't intend it
to be nasty or bossy, sorry it got read that way.
| based system. Now if that person hasn't decided that this whole Freenet
| thing is way too complicated and that she wants no part of it, I'd be
| surprised.
If the person has been watching this thread, she either agrees with me
or thinks the same of me as you do.  Don't be too worried :)
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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-15 Thread David Masover
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Michael R. Stork wrote:
| David Masover wrote:
|
| an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way
|
| I was suggesting my way.  I wasn't implying that anyone was stupid.
|
| Perhaps it wasn't you that made the first comment, but the first person
| who started talking about Linux in this thread did so by implying that
| doing anything other then installing Linux was stupid and a waste of
| time. If that wasn't you, then you just jumped on the Linux rant after
| that.
Go back and re-read that, then.  It was me, and this will be about the
fourth time I've said that I never implied any such thing, and intended
my comment to be taken as a suggestion.  Think.  If I really meant that
doing anything other than installing Linux was stupid and a waste of
time, then why did I then go on to suggest other things to do to help
better secure Windows?
| niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it
|
|
|
| I suspect that this niche would include much of freenet.  If I don't even
| trust my ISP, how am I supposed to trust Microsoft?
|
| I NEVER said I trusted Microsoft ! I don't even really like Microsoft,
You are required to trust Microsoft in order to run Windows.  If you
don't believe me, go read the EULA -- particularly the ones on the most
recent service packs.
| and I agree that Windows isn't a great OS. What I disagree with is your
| assertion that it's possible to do all the same things with Linux as you
| can with Windows. Yes, there is more software being produced now that
| will run under Linux, but there's no where near the same variety.
No, there's not.  But there is enough for most people, I think.  A lot
of Windows software works under Wine (on Linux) -- much of it
out-of-the-box.
They are different.  If I want to run the latest games with no wait at
all, or some very old accounting software, I run Windows.  If I want to
code, and email,
|
| ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the
| hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and
|
|
|
| It's already got something like 25-30% of the web server market.  Don't
|  [...]
| And ? You're just helping make my point. 25-30% of a small portion of
Don't see how.  I'd expect most permanent Freenet nodes to be set up for
the purpose of publishing a Freesite, and therefore, be servers in the
same way that web servers are.
For that matter, your point is that Linux is secure because it's a niche
market.  Well, it happens to be a niche of boxes that many people would
_love_ to crack into, I'm sure.
| think that using any oppurtunity to try to push it is just plain stupid.
Well, sure.  If someone walked up to me and said Nice day, isn't it?
and I said It'd be nicer on Linux, then that would be retarted.  If
someone walks up to me and asks what software for Windows would best
send their top-secret corporate memos between executives only, I'd
suggest Linux.  I'd also suggest Thunderbird and Enigmail for Windows,
in case they don't like the Linux idea.
| Windows. When they ask for help configuring a piece of software, so that
| Freenet works ON THIER SYSTEM, telling them to go out and buy another
| system to install Linux on, or that they should wipe their existing OS
| and run Linux, just so that they can run a Freenet node is moronic. If
I didn't suggest any such thing.  In fact, the suggestion to install
Linux (possibly dual-boot, possibly Knoppix) was one of several
suggestions -- the others being to put a Linux firewall in the way and
to run Firefox.
| you want to expand Freenet, the way to do it is not by making it seem
| like the only way to do so is on a Linux system.
Read above.  Sorry I made it _seem_ like I was saying something I
obviously didn't.
| isn't all that tough to do. What is hard to do is is to have a
| reasonable discussion when the other person chops out the majority of
| your post, and then responds to a small snippet as if that were it's
Do you really feel like I lose the gist of your reply by doing this?  If
so, you're free (as is anyone) to go in the archives (or even your own
trash folder) and find your reply.
If you want, I will start quoting the entire reply each time.  Watch
bandwidth usage skyrocket.  (In case of a misunderstanding, I don't
actually think that's what you want, and I understand what you meant.)
| entirety. (Yes, I snipped a bunch from this last post, cheifly the more
| insulting crap.)
And how do you define insulting crap?  Why are you more qualified than
me to make that decision?
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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-14 Thread David Masover
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Madeline Brubaker wrote:
| Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security
| Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to
Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software.
Yes, I'm a Linux nut.  My attitude towards Windows boxes is:  almost all
Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to
them, including my full name.
Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD).  Second most
secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian.
Practical solution:  find a very old computer to use as a Linux
firewall/router.  Only firewall connections to your Windows boxes -- and
this isn't even needed if you do NAT.  Set this up as your Freenet
machine, and you don't have to worry about firewalls -- just allow
connections to fproxy from internal network.  Run Firefox as a browser
for Freenet.
I know most people aren't concerned enough about security to care that
someone might get at their files.  Most people who are, and most people
who use Linux even, are not concerned enough about security to run
Freenet.  If you care enough to run Freenet, you should care enough to
run more secure software elsewhere.  If you run Internet Explorer, for
instance, all that security goes out the window.
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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-14 Thread David Masover
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Michael R. Stork wrote:
[...]
| a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a
| cable/DSL line.
I would.  A linux one.  Or better, a BSD one.  With daily updates.  The
firewall really wouldn't help all that much for me, although I do use
NAT as an effective firewall for the internal network.
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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-14 Thread David Masover
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a
|software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want
|to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, [...]
|
|
| What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :)
Point taken.  But Linux kernel vs Norton userspace?  About the third
time I've said so on this list, but I just turn off the _services_ that
I don't use, and people get denied anyway, with no special firewall.
What's the big deal, if I'm not running Windows?
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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-14 Thread David Masover
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Jay Oliveri wrote:
| On Monday 14 June 2004 08:45 am, David Masover wrote:
|
|Madeline Brubaker wrote:
|| Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security
|| Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to
|
|Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software.
|
|Yes, I'm a Linux nut.  My attitude towards Windows boxes is:  almost all
|Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to
|them, including my full name.
|
|
| However, I must also use Windows; I am a musician who uses Cakewalk
Sonar on
I have to use Windows also -- I need my Natural Selection.  That said, I
refuse to let Windows store my Steam password, and only use it to
install NS, because the installer doesn't work on Wine.
| XP; nothing like it exists for Linux, regardless of what some people say
| about the various sound projects still in their relative infancy.  I use
Speaking of which, have you tried Wine for this?  Do keep trying other
projects as well, btw -- check out ardour.sf.net -- infancy?  Feels
much smoother than Pro Tools to me.
For that matter, you might take some time to learn some code --
math/programming and music skills go hand in hand, and it solves the
problem of being an end-user.  Rather than whining about a missing
feature, you go write it.  Not that whining is bad, just that coding can
be a lot more fun and productive.
Anyhow, if I were you, I'd have a separate computer (an older one) to
use for stuff you want to be secure, and use your windows computer for
stuff that you back up a lot.
| Norton AntiVirus on Windows (not *their* firewall) and the XP firewall to
| simply block everything.  While working in Sonar I usually just
disconnect
| the network connection from within XP.
Try unplugging the cable?  I wouldn't trust XP any farther than I can
sled on an install disk.  I'd either keep the cable unplugged from my
first boot or assume it was already infected.
| I had an external firewall only that sat between the cable modem and the
| house LAN, but there was a problem; someone else on the LAN got a worm
| (they aren't as savvy) and I was running Windows without a firewall, and
| with file sharing turned on.  I lost a lot of time ;)
Exactly why I don't run windows ;)
| My point is; sometimes people run Windows.  If anyone could explain
how they
| got their Norton Firewall running it would probably be helpful.
Alright, point taken.  I still would say:  tell them first that they
need to be more secure than Norton Firewall, and give them the resources
(how-to's) to do it.  Then tell them how to fix Norton Firewall, if they
still want to do it that way.
|
|
|Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD).  Second most
|secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian.
|
|
| FreeBSD above Debian Stable? :)
Yes :P
I HATE Debian Stable.  Debian Testing is tolerable.  Gentoo is God.
(bicker, bicker, bicker)
| This is great, but above some people's technical skills.  Freenet is easy
| enough for a novice to install, and we have many of them as our
userbase to
| an extent.
And firefox isn't?  Last I checked, freenet is a hell of a lot harder to
install than firefox or thunderbird.
Also, novices can usually follow step-by-step directions, and novices
who want to use Freenet should probably be given a notice as to where to
find such directions for how to secure themselves -- at least moderately.

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Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall

2004-06-14 Thread David Masover
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Nicholas Sturm wrote:
| Dear
|
|Madeline Brubaker:
|
|
| Please excuse the nuts around here that seem to be as much of a
| problem as Apple lovers once were.
Ooh!  Ooh!  I smell a rant!
Please excuse my response to being called a nut.
| I don't particularly like some of Window's creations, but even though
| Linus releases are getting slowly more usable for ordinary people,
| they still do not have enough clones of the most desirable applictions
Name some you'd miss.  I'll bet money that there are enough clones.
As sarcastic and annoyed as I sound, I'm usually a nice person, and I
promise I'll find an option that works.
And do remember what Linus is releasing.  Linus releases the kernel.
The windows equivalent can probably be found somewhere like
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\KERNEL.DLL.  Go tell me how useful for ordenary people
that file strikes you.
Or do you mean the applications that run on top of Linux?  I guess
that's a pretty safe assumption.  But Linus didn't touch those, and most
run as easily on BSD, Solaris, OS X, and even Windows.
| to make them useful to most of us that are not just playing with
| computers.
My turn for a one-sided rant.  I hope I seem a bit more informed.
I suppose my parents are not ordinary people.  Maybe my brother isn't
ordinary either.  Or my boss.  And yet, they all have the unusual
ability to use a Linux computer without just playing with it.
Oh, and let's not forget:  Apache was developed on Linux, and later
ported to Windows.  Apache is the most popular web server on the planet.
~ But I guess ordinary people never run their own web sites.
What about Sendmail?  Admittedly, I don't use it -- I use qmail, one of
3 or 4 MTA options for Linux.  Sendmail is, however, the most popular
MTA, period.  But ordinary people obviously don't run mail servers.
The mere thought!
Ooh, and let's not forget the things that have been done better.  Do
ordinary people chat, or do instant messaging?  I have gaim, a very
small, very fast program that does 4-5 different IM protocols in one
program, sharing one buddy list.
And, of course, ordinary people might want to write code for pay.  Or
play games.  Or surf the Internet.  Or send email.  I can do all that on
Linux.
And by the way, how many ordinary people use Freenet?
As an honest question, what is it that you ordinary people can't do on
Linux?  Or OS X?  Or BSD?
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet crashes DSL modem

2004-05-01 Thread David Masover
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| I know of two nat routers that work well under the load of freenet:

What about a cheap Linux box?  200 mHz + linux 2.6 + iptables works well
for me -- although I usually just run the freenet node on that box so
that it can be permanent...
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Re: [freenet-support] Way to much RAM! Build 5064

2004-01-30 Thread David Masover
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| Another good idea would be a 'freenet browser', something like Gecko or

No, it wouldn't.  Gecko is for rendering (and I'd guess that WebKit is
also).  It takes html and renders it.  Freenet currently uses html, and
will probably continue to use it (at least for browsing).
It doesn't use http, of course, but adding a freenet://  URL style
wouldn't change things too much, since you need the key first anyway --
it's going to be a long address no matter what.  All that would do is
allow for URLs to be to somewhere other than localhost, which can
already be done (not sure if it has) by the server itself.  This is
better, because it doesn't require modifying a browser, and so far
there's only one server.
And if you wanted to do such a thing, or the privacy features
auto-set, you would do it as a browser extension -- notice when it's a
freenet url, and don't do things like caching it.  For this, you'd
probably just specify a particular host:port that is a freenet url.
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