[freenet-support] Re: a dead horse and other animals

2004-11-26 Thread Wayne McDougall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  3. And for those who have some slight knowledge and do want to run / keep
  the
  latest Java with a Windows install they can follow the instructions at:
  http://wikiserver.freenethelp.org:14741/InstallingFreenet
 
 That's entertaining. ...

Glad you were entertained.

 Of course, with mazzanet's new winstaller, I guess it will now work as
 described.  But I'm guessing that that wiki page is a lot older than the
 new (yesterday) installer ...

Good news Dave. You don't *need* to guess. At the bottom of the page it tells 
you the date of the wiki page which *was* updated after the new (yesterday)
installer.

And for extra entertainment, looking at revisions would have shown you the
older version which does have instructions that worked under the old installer.

# Revision 9: View Diff  .. November 26, 2004 at 10:27am by [Fix for Java 5 not
needed with new version of WebInstaller]
# Revision 8: View Diff .. November 24, 2004 at 03:01pm 






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[freenet-support] Re: a dead horse and other animals

2004-11-25 Thread Wayne McDougall
1. Newsbyte: keep stirring things up. I find it helpful.

2. With respect I don't think you can both a) claim to be installing like a 
novice user and b) insist on keeping your existing Java install to be used and 
recognised. IMO the average novice user will choose the full install with Java 
and that will work. I'm assuming you have Java 5 (still in beta). I'm sure the 
Windows installer will be updated soon, and Java 5 hasn't been out that long...

3. And for those who have some slight knowledge and do want to run / keep the 
latest Java with a Windows install they can follow the instructions at:
http://wikiserver.freenethelp.org:14741/InstallingFreenet

4. You my have heard of this Wiki. Some kind, clever person set it up...I've 
found it very useful although the user login (through Preferences?) seems to 
be broken right now...




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[freenet-support] Yet more 5099 errors - Removing freenet.node.QueueManager$QueueElement

2004-10-28 Thread Wayne McDougall
Oct 28, 2004 9:46:38 PM (freenet.node.QueueManager, Network reading thread,
ERROR): Removing [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
id=4348be1270612083, expiresAt=1098953188062 (-10219 ms),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] DataRequest @null @ 4348be1270612083,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@4348be1270612083,true@
-1:1098953185062:false:null:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DataRequest @null
@ 4348be1270612083, sendTimeout=17720, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(1a8a267b39f3a199094b62bb4912aa82356f8a33140302,request),
EstimateList=freenet.node.rt.ForgettingEstimateList: length=392, at=0,
noConnCount=0, backedOffCount=0 in queue run core - timed out -10139ms ago

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[freenet-support] Re: Yet more 5099 errors - Removing freenet.node.QueueManager$QueueElement

2004-10-28 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Did you have CPU overload (persistent 100% CPU usage) at the time?
 That's the most likely explanation...

Yup, I discovered that after posting. Someone had started a game, and left it
running...

Sorry for bothering you.


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[freenet-support] Re: More 5099 errors - unhandled throwable, unhandled exception

2004-10-27 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Did you show the full stack trace for the NPE in another mail?

Short answer no.
Long answer: I'm guessing a full stack trace shows up in the freenet.log
file, rather than the potted summary from the Recent log entries through the 
web interface. I'm guessing that if I get a NPE you'd like the full log file
entry.
I did try searching to find this stuff out, but without success.

Now I no longer have that NPE logged, but I can give you some new ones. 
And if I'm not reporting correctly, please let me know.

Oct 27, 2004 3:50:02 PM (freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface, YThread-522,
ERROR): Unhandled throwable while handling connection
java.lang.NullPointerException
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester$EventSequence.consume
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:172)
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester$EventSequence.access$400
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:151)
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.toHtml
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:127)
at freenet.node.http.infolets.DownloadsInfolet.toHtml
(DownloadsInfolet.java:58)
at freenet.node.http.Infolet.toHtml(Infolet.java:60)
at freenet.support.servlet.HtmlTemplate$VarFragment.toHtml
(HtmlTemplate.java:295)
at freenet.support.servlet.HtmlTemplate.toHtml(HtmlTemplate.java:224)
at freenet.node.http.NodeInfoServlet.doGet(NodeInfoServlet.java:199)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(Unknown Source)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(Unknown Source)
at freenet.interfaces.servlet.ServletContainer.handle
(ServletContainer.java:82)
at
freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface$ConnectionShell.run
(LocalNIOInterface.java:268)
at freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(YThreadFactory.java:285)

Oct 27, 2004 3:50:02 PM (freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread, YThread-522,
ERROR): Unhandled exception java.lang.NullPointerException in job
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
java.lang.NullPointerException
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester$EventSequence.consume
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:172)
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester$EventSequence.access$400
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:151)
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.toHtml
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:127)
at freenet.node.http.infolets.DownloadsInfolet.toHtml
(DownloadsInfolet.java:58)
at freenet.node.http.Infolet.toHtml(Infolet.java:60)
at freenet.support.servlet.HtmlTemplate$VarFragment.toHtml
(HtmlTemplate.java:295)
at freenet.support.servlet.HtmlTemplate.toHtml(HtmlTemplate.java:224)
at freenet.node.http.NodeInfoServlet.doGet(NodeInfoServlet.java:199)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(Unknown Source)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(Unknown Source)
at freenet.interfaces.servlet.ServletContainer.handle
(ServletContainer.java:82)
at
freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface$ConnectionShell.run
(LocalNIOInterface.java:268)
at freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(YThreadFactory.java:285)

Oct 27, 2004 8:09:28 PM (freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface, YThread-718,
ERROR): Unhandled throwable while handling connection
java.lang.NullPointerException
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester$EventSequence.consume
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:172)
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester$EventSequence.access$400
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:151)
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.toHtml
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:127)
at freenet.node.http.infolets.DownloadsInfolet.toHtml
(DownloadsInfolet.java:58)
at freenet.node.http.Infolet.toHtml(Infolet.java:60)
at freenet.support.servlet.HtmlTemplate$VarFragment.toHtml
(HtmlTemplate.java:295)
at freenet.support.servlet.HtmlTemplate.toHtml(HtmlTemplate.java:224)
at freenet.node.http.NodeInfoServlet.doGet(NodeInfoServlet.java:199)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(Unknown Source)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(Unknown Source)
at freenet.interfaces.servlet.ServletContainer.handle
(ServletContainer.java:82)
at
freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface$ConnectionShell.run
(LocalNIOInterface.java:268)
at freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(YThreadFactory.java:285)


Oct 28, 2004 2:32:11 PM (freenet.interfaces.LocalNIOInterface, YThread-1955,
ERROR): Unhandled throwable while handling connection
java.lang.NullPointerException
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester$EventSequence.consume
(inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester.java:172)
at
freenet.client.inFlightRequestTrackingAutoRequester$EventSequence.access$400

[freenet-support] 5099 Errors Please close() me manually in finalizer and Got a TWCM that was not finished!

2004-10-26 Thread Wayne McDougall
20:18:47Got a TWCM that was not finished!:
freenet.node.states.data.TrailerWriteCallbackMessage:true:false for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ d4cf7f176cb38016:
d4cf7f176cb38016/4926c6d20ff8833c: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
id=12634, written=258612, closed=true, writingPacket=true, ready=false,
notifiedReady=false, preQueueSize=0, in=Key:
9f7a91978f893c054caccb41be60386c2e1213c4120302 Buffer:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0x1 :
9f7a91978f893c054caccb41be60386c2e1213c4120302:committed:262641:
New: false ( 258750 of 262460 read), moved=258612/262460,
partSize=16384,result=0x (Unknown control byte),lastPacketLength=138,
inPaddingMode=false -
20:18:48Please close() me manually in finalizer: Key:
fb41ed006c0e3b90cf9279ec73e221a0a60015fc0f0203 Buffer:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0x1 :
fb41ed006c0e3b90cf9279ec73e221a0a60015fc0f0203:committed:2216:
New: false ( 0 of 0 read)   java.lang.IllegalStateException: unclosed
20:19:46Please close() me manually in finalizer: Key:
78dbf0492aa81a2244b1f84f20daf2cab8ddd2fe0f0203 Buffer:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0x1 :
78dbf0492aa81a2244b1f84f20daf2cab8ddd2fe0f0203:committed:2216:
New: false ( 0 of 0 read)

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[freenet-support] Re: 5098 Errors sendingPacket == null!

2004-10-24 Thread Wayne McDougall
Niklas Bergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Actually, it seems to have started getting better now.. I haven't seen any
 of those messages for a while in the log.

No better for me. Last one in the log was less than 2 hours ago.

9:01:13 AM (freenet.MuxConnectionHandler, Network writing thread, ERROR):
jobDone(160,true) on [EMAIL PROTECTED] but 
sendingPacket == null!

Consecutive same winner errors are now everywhere:

10:31:43Consecutive same winner: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
timeToSendWindow=0, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DSA(7f3a 5eec db54 57ee a534
8715 0928 d369 bf47 a9d0),tcp/iakin.poweruser.org:26828, sessions=1,
presentations=3, ID=DSA(7f3a 5eec db54 57ee a534 8715 0928 d369 bf47 a9d0),
version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.51,5098): outbound attempts=5:0/5 on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: id=65a8258c50575a40,
expiresAt=1098653506249 (2379 ms), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DataRequest @null @ 65a8258c50575a40,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@65a8258c50575a40,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:1098653503249:false:null:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
DataRequest @null
@ 65a8258c50575a40, sendTimeout=17720, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(601d992fd890b89d4bdb0f5ff5d84018c231a5440f0203,request),
EstimateList=freenet.node.rt.ForgettingEstimateList: length=76, at=0,
noConnCount=0, backedOffCount=11 11 times



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[freenet-support] 5098 Errors sendingPacket == null!

2004-10-23 Thread Wayne McDougall
Running 5098 on Windows XP SP2 768 Mb RAM

More information available on request. The node is non-responsive. From Recent
Logs

19:47:04jobDone(160,true) on [EMAIL PROTECTED] but
sendingPacket == null!  -
19:48:52resetting   -
19:48:52jobDone(160,true) on [EMAIL PROTECTED] but
sendingPacket == null!  -
19:48:57Failed to send packet, no more conns, No open connections and no way to
contact node: DISCARDING
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(null,null): outbound attempts=0:0/0:freenet.Message: beee48: DataChunk
@a3c1cfa4a430cdae:null:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:true,
prio=1, expiryTime=1098514437842(-30 ms ago) on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(null,null): outbound attempts=0:0/0-
19:49:03jobDone(160,true) on [EMAIL PROTECTED] but
sendingPacket == null!  -
19:49:18Consecutive same winner: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
timeToSendWindow=0, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DSA(296b 4c9c 8e19 ef59 f21c
c003 36a6 3027 3b86 d9c2),tcp/romper.dyndns.org:26243, sessions=1,
presentations=3, ID=DSA(296b 4c9c 8e19 ef59 f21c c003 36a6 3027 3b86 d9c2),
version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.51,5098): outbound attempts=1:0/1 on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: id=7668f1c687d0a1f9,
expiresAt=1098514218352 (59570 ms), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DataRequest @null @ 7668f1c687d0a1f9,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@7668f1c687d0a1f9,true@
-1:1098514158352:false:null:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DataRequest @null
@ 7668f1c687d0a1f9, sendTimeout=17720, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(ea8568751ef624ead2e446baf8ce0a95852586580f0203,request),
EstimateList=freenet.node.rt.ForgettingEstimateList: length=106, at=0,
noConnCount=0, backedOffCount=4 4 times -
19:49:18Consecutive same winner: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
timeToSendWindow=0, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DSA(296b 4c9c 8e19 ef59 f21c
c003 36a6 3027 3b86 d9c2),tcp/romper.dyndns.org:26243, sessions=1,
presentations=3, ID=DSA(296b 4c9c 8e19 ef59 f21c c003 36a6 3027 3b86 d9c2),
version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.51,5098): outbound attempts=1:0/1 on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: id=7668f1c687d0a1f9,
expiresAt=1098514218352 (59570 ms), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DataRequest @null @ 7668f1c687d0a1f9,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@7668f1c687d0a1f9,true@
-1:1098514158352:false:null:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DataRequest @null
@ 7668f1c687d0a1f9, sendTimeout=17720, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(ea8568751ef624ead2e446baf8ce0a95852586580f0203,request),
EstimateList=freenet.node.rt.ForgettingEstimateList: length=106, at=0,
noConnCount=0, backedOffCount=5 5 times

Continues on like this

The node itself has effectively stopped functioning.

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[freenet-support] Re: 5098 Errors sendingPacket == null!

2004-10-23 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Argh. As usual it doesn't happen for me, so I can't fix it :
 

OK I'm now half way through Java - an introduction (although I ahd to return it
to the library today), and I got Hello World to compile and run, so just tell me
what I can do to help.

I think my comment that my node was unresponsive was false. I think I was
confused by midnight GMT passing by at about the same time, and certain
date-based sites becoming unavailable...I think the node continues regardless of
the errors.

And a different error:

01:53:12Delete failed on bucket t168a636-
01:54:11State does not receive:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@930f564c84281265 CB: 0:
java.lang.NoSuchMethodException:
freenet.node.states.request.DataPending.receivedMessage(freenet.node.Node,
freenet.node.states.data.DataReceived)  -
01:54:11State does not receive:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@930f564c84281265 CB: 0:
java.lang.NoSuchMethodException:
freenet.node.states.request.DataPending.receivedMessage(freenet.node.Node,
freenet.node.states.data.DataSent)

I'm happy to run a diagnostic version. I'm happy to give you remote access to
my wife's computer (ha!) (XP SP2 - VNC can be installed) where the node is
running  if you promise to be well behaved, and I'm happy to solve it myself 
if you give me the 3 steps to follow.

But I will do nothing in the next 4 hours for it is 2am local and I'm going 
zz



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[freenet-support] Still more 5098 errors

2004-10-23 Thread Wayne McDougall
07:11:19Delete failed on bucket t3fc3294c   -
07:11:33Delete failed on bucket t79711c65   -
07:11:33Delete failed on bucket t61e9b552   -
07:12:53Delete failed on bucket t6e6751c8   -
07:13:01
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:freenet:
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],true:
A fatal exception occured while processing: java.io.IOException: Attempt to use
a released TempFileBucket: C:\DOCUME~1\Wayne\LOCALS~1\Temp\freenet\tbf_1b00caea
java.io.IOException: Attempt to use a released TempFileBucket:
C:\DOCUME~1\Wayne\LOCALS~1\Temp\freenet\tbf_1b00caea
07:13:01Received: A fatal exception occured while processing:
java.io.IOException: Attempt to use a released TempFileBucket:
C:\DOCUME~1\Wayne\LOCALS~1\Temp\freenet\tbf_1b00caea-
07:13:01Caught java.io.IOException: Attempt to use a released TempFileBucket:
C:\DOCUME~1\Wayne\LOCALS~1\Temp\freenet\tbf_1b00caea closing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] in
freenet.client.InternalClient$InternalFeedbackToken$
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[freenet-support] Yet more 5098 errors

2004-10-23 Thread Wayne McDougall
07:39:51Got a TWCM that was not finished!:
freenet.node.states.data.TrailerWriteCallbackMessage:true:false for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 3e7b78f261d6d1b4:
3e7b78f261d6d1b4/1cf7832e75b60ba1: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
id=28005, written=353556, closed=true, writingPacket=true, ready=false,
notifiedReady=false, preQueueSize=0, in=Key:
7f7498a22c45969cccfc2f69090b62fc39a333cf140302 Buffer:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0x1 :
7f7498a22c45969cccfc2f69090b62fc39a333cf140302:temp:1050081:4f0c6137bfe02fca
New: true ( 353694 of 1049900 read), moved=353556/1049900,
partSize=16384,result=0x (Unknown control byte),lastPacketLength=138,
inPaddingMode=false



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[freenet-support] Yet another 5098 error

2004-10-23 Thread Wayne McDougall
15:34:21State does not receive: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DataInsert
@[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ da5f10cb49eaa14e:
java.lang.NoSuchMethodException:
freenet.node.states.request.TransferReply.receivedMessage(freenet.node.Node,
freenet.message.DataInsert)



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[freenet-support] Re: Request for assistance (CPU time)

2004-10-12 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi. We have recently been running a number of simulations of Freenet, to
 try to:
 a) Show that it can work.
 b) Show that NGR can work.
 c) Find out what HTLs will be required.
 d) Find out if different options (e.g. probabilistic caching, estimator
 smoothing) are beneficial.
 e) Give Freenet a more rigorous theoretical basis, etc.
 
 This requires significant CPU time. If you have a spare computer
 equivalent to at least a 1GHz P4, and you can give me a shell, that
 would be really useful... (this is by far easiest if you already run
 linux on it - just use ssh; you could use either cygwin or VNC to give 
 me a shell on a Windows machine, in theory...).

I can offer a 3 GHz Pentium 4 with 1 GB RAM BUT ONLY for a week. Is this
worthwhile? It is running Windows XP, so VNC is no problem. But I'm happy to 
install a GNU/Linux on it. I have Mandrake 10 to hand, and old copies of Red 
Hat could probably be dug up. Or I could install a Knoppix on to the hard 
drive. And then figure out how to set up ssh for you

I'll see if I can make a more permanent offer later. How long standing is this 
request?




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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-12 Thread Wayne McDougall
Someone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 Niklas schrieb:
 
  Can you put them on a web server or so? I would like to see what kind of
  error that caused the index file corruption.
  
  /N
 
 I disabled the index some months ago, because it got corrupt whenever I
 killed the java process while it refreshed the index. Seems like windows
 doesn't give it enough time to finish the current jobs when you kill it
 by the taskmanager. This also kills my routing table from time to time,
 so I have to backup it on a regular basis.
 
 Maybe the node should have some type of button on the fproxy page to do
 a clean shutdown.

FWIW: Nothing unusual preceded the data store index going bye bye. I never
terminated Java or the task. I always shutdown from the bunny. It always
had plenty of time to shutdown. There were no power failures (there have been
in the past but this never damaged the data store).

Having said that, the only unusual data points would be
a) my node had been up for a record 11 days. Noticed memory consumption was up 
to 200+ MB (which is higher than I've seen for a very long time with recent 
nodes). No OOM - I allocate 256 Mb - but it seemed unusual, so I restarted 
then. I don't know if the problem happened thereafter, but memory remains 
around the 200 Mb in normal operations now - my guess is that's correlated by 
the number of keys, or somehow associated with my increasing data store size 
but I have no idea.

b) I did shutdown the node almost immediately on startup - it's in the startup 
group, and I really needed all the bandwidth for downloadinmg patches - so I 
shut it down before it had finished starting up. I've doen that before too, but 
it could have been a timing issue.

If that's at all helpful.



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[freenet-support] Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-09 Thread Wayne McDougall
On checking the environment I see my data store was wiped. Down from 11+ Gb when
I lasted check to less than 700 Mb. 

I haven't looked at the logs because I don't know if anyone cares, and I 
wouldn't know what to look for. But I'd be happy to do so if anyone has an 
interest in this and wants to tell me what to look for.

My guess would be the data store was completely wiped to zero, which means it's
probably been refilling for about a day.

The even that corresponds with that approximate timeframe would be my LAN
losing its internet connection for 30 minutes, and being restored with a new
IP address.


I'm sad to lose my 11 Gb which I've been nursing along since July. Is this to
be expected? Or is it a problem, but there are bigger problems to worry about?

With thanks for any reply.



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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-09 Thread Wayne McDougall
Wayne McDougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On checking the environment I see my data store was wiped. 
 Down from 11+ Gb when
 I lasted check to less than 700 Mb. 

Sorry to follow up my own message.

The data would still seem to be in the folders:

13.9 GB (14,976,513,449 bytes) as the size of the files.

14.0 GB (15,099,305,984 bytes) as the size on the disk.

I am running Windows XP SP 2.

It takes no time at all to load the datastore which seems wrong to me:

Oct 9, 2004 10:12:44 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
Starting Freenet
(Fred) 0.5 node, build #5096 on JVM Sun Microsystems Inc.:
Java HotSpot(TM)
Client VM:1.4.2_05-b04
INFO: Native CPUID library
'freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.dll' loaded from resource
INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library

'net/i2p/util/jbigi-windows-pentium3.dll' loaded from resource

Oct 9, 2004 10:12:46 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
loading node keys: node
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:46 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
Read node file
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:47 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
starting filesystem
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:49 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
loading data store
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:49 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
loading routing table

Freenet now restarts almost instantly - it didn't used to. :-)

Restarting does not help.

Rebooting does not help.

It looks like all the data is there but Freenet doesn't see it anymore.

Which seems sad to me.

A bug? Or an upper size limit on number of keys/size of data store?


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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-09 Thread Wayne McDougall
Niklas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Shut down the node, delete the 'index' file from the store-folder then
 restart the node. Please let us know if this worked for you? (and please
 make a copy of the logs so we can inspect them later on)

That worked, thank you. My 15 Gb (it had been some days since I last checked)
are back.

I have saved the log files as instructed.

Thank you.



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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-09 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Any chance of doing some doIndex=true vs doIndex=false benchmarks on
 different platforms? Can we just set it to false by default?

I'm happy to volunteer Windows XP SP2 if that is of any help. Always happy to
help.



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[freenet-support] 23 Gb log file

2004-08-29 Thread Wayne McDougall
jer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 OS: Linux 2.6 (Slackware 10)
 Java: SUN 1.4.2_04
 freenet-ver: 5092
 Network: NAT translated.
 
 I've just set up a new freenet instance ( after a HD krash of my old, no
 backup...) but now when it's running it fills up my log with the messages below
 and no data is comming into my store.

OS: Windows XP (SP2)
Java: Sun 1.4.2_04
Freenet: 5092

This morning I woke to find my disk was full. Eventually found it was due to
a 23 Gb (sic) freenet.log file. After freeing a few gigs I made 3 attempts to
read the file, but quickly gave up. So I can't speak to the contents, but I
wonder if it was the same error as jer_48

If it recurs I will try harder to read the log.



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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet causing crashes...

2004-08-20 Thread Wayne McDougall
Don Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 That's good to know.  Thanks.  In the event log, does the message say
 TCP/IP has reached the security limit imposed on the number of
 concurrent TCP connect attempts.?  Cuz if so, that's the 10 half-open
 connection thing I mentioned in an earlier post.  So far, that's the
 only TCPIP messages I've gotten in event manager, personally.

Yup, that's the message. And while I said I'd only seen it on starting Freenet
I've now seen it 3 times in 24 hours - after I started running FreeSpider.

Spidered: 2933  Unspidered: 7378 after 24 hours for those of you keeping score
at home.


In response to your other comment taht you may not keep it running on a 
desktop machine.

Running Windows XP Pro on a Celeron 1.1 GHz runs quite nicely on a desktop 
machine (my wife's) and you'd barely know it was there. Just so long as the
bandwidth settings (incoming and outgoing) are limited so email and web browsing
isn't too slow. BUT I did have to increase the RAM. Since 5088, 192 Mb of RAM
wasn't enough. Now with 768 Mb Windows is much sweeter (with or without Freenet).




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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet causing crashes...

2004-08-18 Thread Wayne McDougall
 On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 02:11:40PM -0400, Don Gregory wrote:
  Anybody else here have any trouble with Freenet running on XP SP2?  I
  know SP2 is still a bit new to most people, and it's a HUGE
  service pack, weighing in at over 260M, and it screws with hundreds of
  system files, so I'd like to be able to rule that out definitively if
  anybody here is using SP2 with Freenet without incident.  There have
  been reports of it messing with other pieces of software, so I naturally
  assumed this might be a likely suspect.

Adding a data point. I'm running Freenet on XP SP2 with no problems at all.

The only point I've noted is that SP2 will throttle TCP/IP connections if
too many failed connections occur in too short a time. When I restart Freenet
I'll get a few events in the event log reporting that the throttling has kicked
in. My assumption is that freenet is trying to reestablish connections to the
nodes it knew about previously - some of which aren't there any more.

This has done no harm that I can observe. Freenet has no problems starting up
and isn't noticeably slower at doing so. It seems to run just the same as before
and I haven't observed any connection throttling during Freenet operations.

I'm happy.






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[freenet-support] Re: new stable

2004-07-26 Thread Wayne McDougall
vinyl1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Every time we download a new release,
 we hope this will be the one and all the content will zip to our machines with
 lightening speed. 

Ok, forgive me if this has been discussed before (and please point me to this
discussion), but I've been wondering what are realistic expectations of speed?

There is a set of nodes, hoepfully well connected, but all with finite
bandwidth connections. There is some data I'd likem to retrieve, located 
(hopefully) at one or more nodes in a set of finite sized datastores.

It seems NG Routing was introduced to help mediate what I'd over-simplify as
people trying to pull out more than they put in.

So this prompts my borader question: we're pooling bandwidth and data storage in
a large, cryptographically securish network. We're expecting a certain
performance from that network. What sort of speed do we expect from that
network? If the collective data stores are too small, and the collective
bandwidths too limited, then won't we see limited transfers? (Forgive me if
this states the obvious). 

Are we not seeing lightening speeds simply because Freenet as a whole is
underresourced. That maybe this is as good as it gets without more nodes
with more resources?

Has anyone done any modelling? Any ideas? Any comments? What is a reasonable
expectation of Freenet performance right now? Any way to tell? Lower or
upper bounds?

I for one am very happy with what Freenet delivers and see it getting
better steadily albeit with occasional missteps. But my expectations may be
unreasonably low.

I request information and shortly thereafter it arrives (or often immediately)
and in what I'm lead to believe is a relative anonymous way. I like it.


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[freenet-support] Re: Stable build 5086 and major vulnerability fix

2004-07-23 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Stable build 5086 is now available. The snapshots have been updated.

I've still been getting 5085 for the last 3 hours using the update option on the
start menu under Windows.

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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]

2004-07-14 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 02:00:16AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:
  fproxy will timeout and then I have to start again. And then it won't even
  grab the parts it previously downloaded successfully  So over a period of
  weeks my perception is that I eventually move all the requisite parts into
  my local stored, and then fproxy will download it instantly 
 
 What do you mean by TIMEOUT? Do we STILL get that bug? Or does it just
 fail?

I apologise for being sloppy in my use of terminology. 

fproxy seems to perform as I imagine it is designed to. That is it will fail
when it cannot retrieve sufficient blocks to make up a file.

What makes it possible to retrieve a file with FUQUID when it become
impossible with fproxy is 
a) once a block is retrieved with FUQUID it is permanently retained. If I
restart a fproxy retrieval it has to start again. And I have seen, after
restarting immediatly after a failure, failing to retrieve multiple blocks
I had previously retrieved. In fact sequential attempts to retrieve would
result in lower percentages of the file retrieved. And sometimes the 
intersection of common blocks would be quite low. Most disheartening.
b) As I have commented previously I often see a request not found now will be
found some x minutes later. So FUQUID, by continual retries over many hours can
eventually see all the blocks within retrievable range. Further I configure
FUQUID to try all blocks, even after it has passed the point of being unable to
build the whole file because I believe it will help bring those blocks into
range on the next past.

So as I said I have no expectation of changes in fproxy. I don't expect to
have fproxy try again and again hour after hour. And I don't expect it to
stroe away the blocks it has retrieved to date.

  So be encouraged. You're not just creating an anonymous slow file-sharer.
  You know and I know that Freenet is being used for good purposes now
  and I can see lots of potential for the future. 
 
 Is it? Very few.

Maybe few in number but great in worthiness. I think.

The problem with a privacy project is that many people will not choose to
disclose how they are using it for privacy. :-)

And we're still only on version 0.5. So be encouraged. Hmmm, better to go
cut you a cheque I guess

I *am* concerned when you express great surprise that Freenet will work at all
on a 768/256 connection. (That was my take on it). I get the impression
that you expect Freenet to require an academic university level of bandwidth
to function appropriately. Maybe that's the state the project is at now,
or heading to. But IMO it needs to be viable at a consumer level of 
bandwidth.

I'd love to see what Freenet is like with decent bandwidth. But since I have
no basis of comparison, I'm not disappointed with my 128/128kbits connection.


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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]

2004-07-14 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 07:04:47AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:
  I *am* concerned when you express great surprise that Freenet will work
  at all
  on a 768/256 connection. (That was my take on it). I get the impression
  that you expect Freenet to require an academic university level of 
  bandwidth
  to function appropriately. Maybe that's the state the project is at now,
  or heading to. But IMO it needs to be viable at a consumer level of 
  bandwidth.
 
 I didn't. I have a 1024/256 domestic grade cable connection.

Different views on what's realistic? Will Freenet just be a US or bandwidth
rich countries project? The government in New Zealand has decided that 
256/256 is the highest broadband speed that our telecom monomoply needs to 
make available to competitors. :-(

128/128 is the fastest connection available domestically without
a monthly bandwidth cap that Freenet would blow out of the water in 5 days.
There aren't any business level connections that wouldn't be prohibitively
expensive. Which leaves academia (and even per department most would frown on
Freenet).

Ok I appreciate we're just in a sucky part of the world. I get the impression
others are too. But when I read:

***
From: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How much download?
Newsgroups: gmane.network.freenet.support
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:31:35 +0100

On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 10:21:17AM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote:
 Joachim Scharfetter wrote:
 
 Hi, I have got a fair use DSL account with limited download volume.
 How much download traffic will a permanent freenet node approximately
 cause?
 
 As much as your bandwidth allows. On a capped 256/128 connection Freenet 
 managed to use 1.5GB in a day. Now I have a 10GB cap, not good. Anyway, 
 that's the sort of transfer you can expect - lower your 
 averageBandwidthLimit to keep things sane.

I'm amazed that the above still works...
***

and you're amazed that 256/128 works (if I'm reading it correctly) then that
leaves me out of the cold, and you're suggesting bandwidth needs to be
at least 1024/256 for you to expect Freenet to work.




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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]

2004-07-12 Thread Wayne McDougall
Stephen P. Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Wayne McDougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I *think* that freenet.conf is set by default to assume as 256Kbits 
connection
   (based on a rule of thumb of setting limits to half bandwidth capacity).
  
   You would want to adjust:
  
   inputBandwidthLimit=1250
   and
   outputBandwidthLimit=1250
  
   Those suggested values are in bytes. You may want to adjust, but the 
default
   values would be too low.
  
 Thanks.  The comments in the freenet.conf file say that inputBandwidthLimit 
and
 outputBandwidthLimit are in units of bytes per second, not bits per second - 
is
 that incorrect?.

No, bytes per second is correct. Those figures are based on when you said
you had a 200Mbit (sic). Sadly for you your connection seems to have dropped
to 512Kb. :-) Sorry for taking you at your word. I'm used to envying other
people's bandwidth...

  I had inputBandwidthLimit at 0 (no limit), and
 outputBandwidthLimit at 2, since I believe my cable output is limited at
 512Kb(its)ps, corresponding to a theoretical maximum of 64KB(ytes)ps, and I
 wanted something left for other applications.  There's room for increase 
there,
 so I'll try that.  The mention in the comments that these were independent 
limits
 led me to infer that there was some some further overriding limit from which 
they were
 independent, but I'm going to revise my thinking to understand that they're 
simply
 independent of each other.

There's lots of cool stuff with averaging limits, and immediate limits,
and gradual adjustment. Together with incoming being not directly under
control. It works very well for those of us with monthly bandwidth caps.

It is my opinion that a node works [much!] better if it doesn't have the 
inputBandwidthLimit set at 0, but at a realistic value. That is based on
month long tests but only on my own (128Kbit) node. From the little I can
pick up as to how cooperative bandwidth limiting might work it makes sense
to me theoretically as well.

So if it was my node I'd have:
inputBandwidthLimit=24000
outputBandwidthLimit=24000

(and if I was going away for a weekend or more I'd crank them both up to
48000 if no one else was using the bandwidth).

 I'm not highly motivated right now to update the Java environment.   So far 
I haven't
 had observable environment errors.  The security issues I'm aware of involve
 violations of the security sandbox - a moot point with freenet - and a JVM 
crash/Dos,
 which I'll deal with when I see crashes.  If you're aware of something more 
serious,
 please tell.

Nope. I'd agree with all your comments. 

   What does FRED have to say for itself?
  
   http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm
 
 Wow, lots of pretty graphs .  The numbers at the top of the report:

Very pretty. They don't mean much to me so I go for the Classic look
of Connections, and More Details if I'm browsing.

 Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 198 (132/66/200)
 Transfers active (Transmit/Receiving) 24 (13/11)
 Data waiting to be transferred1,285 Bytes
 Total amount of data transferred  4,483 MiB

Perfect. That's exactly what I'd expect to see after say 2 days uptime?

   My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to
   become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working
   beautifully.
 
 Double plus thank you!  I can wait a couple weeks.  I saw the claim that 
freenet
 could be competetive with bittorrent, and was worried that I'd botched 
something
 badly.  I think I've been through about four of the FAQ pages, a couple of 
which
 have a subtextual hint that it may be quite a while before one's node is 
fully
 connected, but not much idea of the scale of quite a while.  Setting 
expectations
 is important.

Bittorrent rocks. But it will always max out my connection.
Freenet easily outperformed Shareaza/Kazaa in my one test. BUT..a big BUT...
this was a movie file that CofE mentioned (and linked to) in his flog as
a file he downloaded as a test. I'm guessing there would be many people
like me who also downloaded the file as a test. Which would mean that Freenet,
if operating as designed, would replicate more and more of this data
throughout the network (a reverse Slashdot effect). That would certainly be
consistent with my observations.

And just to expose my complete Freebieness (a freenet newbie and I've only
recently picked up that term recently), I had always done my downloading
through the built in FRED interface. Ok, nice for built in, but now I do all
my (few) downloads through Fuqid. What a difference. Haven't looked at
anything equivalent for Linux.

My interest is websites that can never get slashdotted and can host large
files while sharing the load, rather than file-sharing...


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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]

2004-07-12 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:10:01AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:
  There's lots of cool stuff with averaging limits, and immediate limits,
  and gradual adjustment. Together with incoming being not directly under
  control. It works very well for those of us with monthly bandwidth caps.
 
 It does?! I thought the average limiter didn't work...

Ahh yes, well that's probably why we get questions like the original point.
I read voraciously, try to make sense of it all, and couple it with my
observations. But it's hard to get a definite answer or know if I'm just
observing noise

If you'd like me to do some comprehensive *tests* please feel free to ask.
But I'd gather that there are other priorities.

 My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days 
to
 become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working
 beautifully.

 Nine days is ridiculous. We must do something about it. :(

It may well be better now, especially with these latest stable releases
which seem much improved, thank you Toad. Again, just holler if you ever
want some testing done.

 Okay, what's the main advantage? Maybe we can improve the fproxy
 interface?

Since you ask:

fproxy will timeout and then I have to start again. And then it won't even
grab the parts it previously downloaded successfully :-( So over a period of
weeks my perception is that I eventually move all the requisite parts into
my local stored, and then fproxy will download it instantly :-)

I certainly don't expect fproxy to be modified but perhaps one easy change
would be an outer loop so it just circles back and tries again. It's
probably just my low bandwidth, but I find that I will request something
(and this includes web pages) and it's not there, and then 5 minutes, 10
minutes, 20 minutes, 1 hour, 8 hours later it's there. 

My assumption has always been that my requests go out in an ever widening
circle off to where the data I want may be found, but my request timesout
before it gets back to me. Eventually (by dint of persistent requests) it
is lodged in local stores that I can reach before timing out.

  My interest is websites that can never get slashdotted and can host large
  files while sharing the load, rather than file-sharing...
 
 Yeah, that would be cool, if it really worked, and if we had enough
 hosts to be able to worry about such things!

Ahh, well I'm here for the long haulnot that I'm any use. :-(
I am a big fan of the privacy elements also.

So be encouraged. You're not just creating an anonymous slow file-sharer.
You know and I know that Freenet is being used for good purposes now
and I can see lots of potential for the future. 





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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations

2004-07-11 Thread Wayne McDougall
Stephen P. Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I started a freenet node four days ago, using the default freenet.conf 
 settings, adjusted for being behind a firewall.  A couple days later I 
 increased the storage to 1G, which required restarting fred.  A couple 
 days after that I increased the storage to 30G, again restarting fred. 
 I'm using the latest stable with Sun JDK 1.4.1 on RH8.0 and an approx. 
 200Mbitps cable modem.

I *think* that freenet.conf is set by default to assume as 256Kbits connection
(based on a rule of thumb of setting limits to half bandwidth capacity).

You would want to adjust:

inputBandwidthLimit=1250
and
outputBandwidthLimit=1250

Those suggested values are in bytes. You may want to adjust, but the default
values would be too low.

I'm no expert, but I'd strongly urge you to consider the 1.4.2 Java release:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html

 It's working, kindof.  netstat -t -a shows lots of incoming connections 
 to the public port.  

What does FRED have to say for itself?

http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm

Have you got active transmitting inbound and outbound connections?

 I'm disappointed that the latency on more that half 
 my retrievals has been in hours; some requests are going into their 
 second day.  I've had one retrieval succeed after 16 hours.  Someone 
[SNIP]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//
 Data Not found
 
 Is this what I should expect?  Will it get better over time as I become 
 better connected?  

No it's not what you should expect, and yes it will get better.
My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to
become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working
beautifully. You may do better than that with better bandwidth and the
improved Freenet versions. But I'd wait at least that long to see how good
things might be.

 I'm seeing no inordinate load on my machine (Linux); 
 top says the CPU stays between 80 and 90% idle.  After two days, only 2G 
 of the 30G I most recently allocated has been consumed.

Only 2 Gb would be filled over two days at the default bandwidth rate of 
12 000 (versus my suggestion of 12 500 000)!


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[freenet-support] Re: Current data store size in web interface?

2004-07-10 Thread Wayne McDougall
Weiliang Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Is that any place that shows the current data store size in the web 
 interface?

Internals*Environment Data Store section

http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/internal/env


Data Store  



Maximum size900 MiB
Used space  920,544 KiB
Free space  1,056 KiB
Percent used99
Total keys  2476
Space used by temp files6,052 KiB
Maximum space for temp files314,572,809 Bytes
Most recent file access timeSun Jul 11 16:25:08 NZST 2004
Least recent file access time   Fri Jul 09 23:04:23 NZST 2004





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[freenet-support] Error - unable to recover from out of memory

2004-06-11 Thread Wayne McDougall
Submitted in the hope it may be of some help/interest. Please advise if you
require more information:

11/06/2004 09:33:55 (freenet.transport.tcpConnection, Finalizer, NORMAL):
finalized without being closed!tcp/connection:
213.156.52.103:1892local,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
11/06/2004 09:34:01 (freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop,  interface thread,
ERROR): Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError

11/06/2004 09:59:59 (freenet.transport.tcpConnection, Finalizer, NORMAL):
finalized without being closed!tcp/connection:
213.156.52.121:4924local,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError

11/06/2004 10:00:03 (freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop,  interface thread,
ERROR): Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
11/06/2004 10:02:42 (freenet.transport.tcpConnection, Finalizer, NORMAL):
finalized without being closed!tcp/connection:
12.215.92.202:63277local,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError

and so on for the next 12 hours...



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[freenet-support] Re: Error - unable to recover from out of memory

2004-06-11 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What build of Freenet? How much memory in the machine? Did you try to
 reduce the memory limit? Are you running on Windows? If you are running
 on *nix, please send your start-freenet.sh .. if you are running on
 Windows, there's an equivalent issue with direct memory settings but I
 don't know what it would be...

5084 - I try to run the latest stable.
Don't laugh - 128 Mb RAM. 
No I didn't change any settings. It's all been working fine.
Running on Windows.

No recurrence after restarting the node.


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[freenet-support] Re: messageSendTimeRequest

2004-05-28 Thread Wayne McDougall
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 My node is almost constantly overloaded because messageSendTimeRequest exceeds
 successfulSendTimeCutoff by a significant amount.
...
 So is there anything I can do to reduce the load?

Forgive me if this is too obvious, but I had the same problem until I sent the
outputbandwidth to an appropriate level.

In your freenet.ini file:
outputBandwidthLimit=12000

where 12000 is bytes per second and should not be your whole bandwidth capacity!



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[freenet-support] Re: averagebandwidthlimit results

2004-05-25 Thread Wayne McDougall
Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 OK, I enabled an average[input|output]bandwidthlimit of 500. In 5 hours 
 I've transferred 400MiB of data, which is still far too high, 
 considering that I should be transferring 288MiB each way per day 
 (which is also too high).

The average is averaged over a week. I don't know when the counters get reset
but I have found that when you first start using the average it seems to
say aha, your average has been zero for the last 7 days, so I'll crank it up
to the max. It does start working correctly after a while, but seriously
I find the input and output (rather than average) work better and at the least
you should probably use in conjunction, until you have some data for the average
to work with.

That's just my experience and observation. 

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[freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?

2004-05-25 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:04:53AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:

 Not terribly well, because of high level bandwidth limiting. The node
 needs to know how much bandwidth is available to estimate how much is
 being used and therefore how many queries to allow.

With respect this seems insufficiently good enough for the real world
nature in which a node will run. People will want (I want) Freenet to
notice that its share of bandwidth has been dropped and to react accordingly.

Current messageSendTimeRequest seems a good measure of that.

So I naively ask can't we mroe dynamically adjust bandwidth caps down when we
see messageSendTimeRequest shoot up? Probably not...I suspect that would create
a vicious circle. Ok but isn';t there some measure Freenet can use to notice
it's getting choked and not to try and hog the connection?

Ok I am for all intents and purposes and innocent newbie whose just been
quitely running a node for two years, trying to share what bandwidth I can
because I think the project is worthwhile and bandwidth (so I've read)
is the greatest need. 

And certainly I've seen Freenet (when on a good enough build, which is usually
the case) sucks up every last byte of my bandwidth and I like to think that
that is being useful to someone somehow. I've assumed that if my 80 Gb
datastore fills up at 1 Gb per day, and Freenet still routes to and through
my meager 128/128 kbps line (even when I cap it lower) that, hey, maybe my 
node is useful or needed or something.

And when I see something new on COFE and follow the link and find 10% of the
data is already in my meagre 1.5 Gb store I think hey, it got there somehow.
I'm impressed with how well it works. Much better lately, thank you Toad.
And I'm amazed so many connections are to Sweden or Germany or such like. In
fact I've ever only noticed one (brief) connection to a New Zealand node. 
I'm not sure what that all means, except that even on a (by world standards)
a relatively low bandwidth node, Freenet is highly functional to me.

I'm rambling...my point is that I read and try to understand but I'm a 
newbie and may blather in my innocence...forgive my questionsand
comments. I don't expect agreement. But I throw them out anyway.

  I watch (with envy) discussions on bandwidth and pricing and (sadly) I
  think the world is moving more to caps (monthly limits) rather than open.
 
 It certainly is in Oz and NZ.

Indeed. And I notice the whining of people in the US when their providers move
them on to similar capped plans. Maybe the competition is strong enough to
mitigate that, but bandwidth ain't cheap and simple economics seems the way
to stop the leeches. I see it as a growing trend. But that's just my view.
Wish it would trend the other way.

 There is sadly no priority in it ATM. To help one user run a node in a
 wierd situation... hmm. I'll think about it.

Absolutely. You set the priorities. I have no expectations that anything 
would be done about it. Mostly I have a questions, which I think is still
unanswered:

How will a node respond if one set of connections has a high bandwidth cap
and another set of connections has a low bandwidth cap (assuming these caps
are applied externally). Does the node give its average recommendation on
retry intervals and load to ALL the connections? Will the high bandwidth
connections figure out this is a good node to deal with, even if I'm sending
out a retry interval based on averages.

Put another way: does freenet assume all my outgoing and incoming connections
have equal bandwidth throughput? Does that affect routing in a suboptimal
way?

Depending on your answers I may have other questions such as should I run
two nodes - one for high bandwidth only and one for low bandwidth? Blocking
connections from the wrong connection set? Or just what should I think of
doing in these cases?

Finally I'll just politely take issue with one user in a weird situation.
I don't think the situation is as weird as you might think. And it ain't 
just one user. I appreciate that it still won't be enough to be a priority.
I didn't expect that. But it may be as you work on infrastructure and future
changes you may give a little thought to how a few small changes in plans may
make it better for us in a weird situation.



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[freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?

2004-05-24 Thread Wayne McDougall
Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What would be nice (in lieu of being able to prefer certain IP ranges - I
 get local traffic far cheaper) would be a way to limit monthly transfer,
 eg set it so the node can use 5GB/month, and it'll aim for a daily
 transfer of about 170MB, but will go over if it needs to. I guess this
 would also mean that the size of incoming files would need to be limited.
 
 Unfortunately I can't try to hack this myself just yet, but I have some
 free time coming up, so I might look at it then, see if I can find where
 to do the limiting. I knew Java knowledge would come in handy :P
 
 So for now my node is offline. I've lowered my rate limiting to 500
 bytes/sec to keep things under control, but I'm waiting for my ISPs
 traffic information to come back online...

Toad: feel free to comment on point 3:

Phillip, since we're in the same country with similar issues, I'd like to share
my thoughts and see where we can go with this. Feel free to email me directly.

1. My experience is that I can get a limit of 5 Gb of *international* traffic a
month (170 Mb a day) with Node bandwidth limits of 
Overall 0
Output 750
Input 0

Yup, a limit of 750 bytes per second. I need to experiment more with the 
Overall setting. Freenet is the single most effective utility I have found 
for consuming bandwidth. Better than BitTorrent.

When the bandwidth level drops this low I get a lot of what I characterise as
churn. The messageSendTimeRequest shoots up - I guess because messages can't
get out fast enough through the small output channel. So then my node rejects
incoming connections, but it's still sending outgoing requests (albeit slowly)
so I'm rejecting these replies to my requests because my messageSendTimeRequest
is so high. I suspect a lot of things get retried. I suspect my efficiency is
low. But it works, and keeps me in the bandwidth cap. 

2. I really suspect that more serious bandwidth limiting should be done at an
operating system (router) level rather than at the Freenet level. I suspect
that's what you'll be told around here. That way you can also take account of
things happening other than your node. :-) 

So I've been working towards a Linux traffic shaper that gives sets no limits 
on traffic with domestic IP addresses and limits international traffic so the
total monthly limit hits 5 Gb (my cap).

3. What I don't know is how my Freenet node will respond when some (domestic)
IPs get a high bandwidth (8,000 k/s) and other (international) IPs get a low
bandwidth (0.75 k/s). I guess  my node will always give a constant
recommendation for how much traffic it wants, and this will oscillate wildly
according to how many domestic versus international nodes are connecting. I'm
*hoping* domestic nodes will learn that it is worthwhile connecting to me, but
they may be put off by the average they get. I don't know. Someday when Toad is
bored maybe he could put his fine mind to at least thinking about the impacts
of this bandwidth disparity and how a node configuration could be set to handle
this. 

It may be that this scenario ( maix of low and high bandwidth channels into a
node) is relatively uncommon worldwide, and isn't worth coding for, but I
wonder how common it is, and whether it may become more common.

Comments welcome.




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[freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?

2004-05-24 Thread Wayne McDougall
Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 One thing that I can think of is limiting the size of incoming files 
 not requested by the node directly - stop splitfiles and things going 
 through. I'm more interested in the information, not movies, but I 
 can't think of a tidy way to implement this in a few minutes. I know 
 it's not really in line with the freenet ideal, and also it could 
 compromise privacy, but it's a thought.

So you not only don't want to store large files in your data store - 
you don't want to relay them either? It should be easy enough to stop such 
files being stored in your data store - according to freenet.ini it doesn't 
store files larger than 1/100th of the size of your datastore, in your 
datastore. That 1/100 calculation would be easy to find and tweak so you don't 
store files of 1 Mb (and these days all the large files I see are in chunks of 
1,026 Kb). The question is whether you can identify whether incoming data is 
part of an incoming 1 Mb message bfore you accept it. My guess, only a guess, 
is yes.

I would think that information as opposed to files would normally be under 1 
Mb.

For my part I'd like to contribute as much bandwidth to Freenet as a whole, but 
when in a capped triage situation I certainly understand wanting to prioritise 
traffic.



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[freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?

2004-05-24 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 09:05:42AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:

 Perhaps. That would also lead to high message send times though. Freenet
 needs to know what the limit is even if you use external limiting.

Fair enough. But given shared bandwidth needs shouldn't a node adapt. 
How quickly (if at all) does a node adapt to having less bandwidth than is
specified in the limits? How well does that work?

  So I've been working towards a Linux traffic shaper that gives sets no 
limits 
  on traffic with domestic IP addresses and limits international traffic
 so the
  total monthly limit hits 5 Gb (my cap).
 
 HOW do you determine what is local? Freenet could maybe support this.

A list of IP blocks in CIDR notation. Which in turn is derived from
http://ftp.apnic.net/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-20040106
a href=http://ftp.apnic.net/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-20040106;a
periodically updated list/a - picking out my country gives my domestic
(zero bandwidth cost) IPs.

 Are you in Spain by any chance? The last poster on this topic was..

New Zealand. (Bang goes my anonymity). I think people (I use the word 
loosely) from Australia would have similar issues. And Spain. 

I watch (with envy) discussions on bandwidth and pricing and (sadly) I
think the world is moving more to caps (monthly limits) rather than open.
So I think that this is an area that Freenet should address at some time.
I'm biased of course. I'm also willing to help since I think you've
commented that you lack develoeprs living in a low bandwidth capped
environment. I don't know I can help much but the offer is there.



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[freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?

2004-05-24 Thread Wayne McDougall
TLD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Is message send time a problem? I mean, AFAIK freenet is able to recognize
 links with higher latency and use them as little as possible, thus reducing
 the outbound traffic over those links in favour of local
 (=not-so-limited) nodes.

I think message send time IS a problem, but only by observation. And my
observation is that when messagesendtime goes up over 1000 ms my node starts
rejecting most incoming connections and at 2000ms basically blocks everything
until things settle down.

I think this may be a separate issue from lower level latency.

In any event, consider my node which has 10 connections which I'm happy to run
at a shared 256 kbps and 40 connections which I (financially) need to cap at a
shared 0.75 kbps.

What my node seems to do now is look at my total message send time, and stop all
incoming requests.

Or to put another way, how does a node cope with connections with orders of
magnitude differences in bandwidth? Not very well is my observation.

 The other two possibilities, namely lower bandwidth for all and an add-on
 to fred, look uninviting: the first because it's just sub-optimal, the
 second because both it requires much work on fred (to implement the
 different bandwidth levels and to test them -- how many nodes would benefit
 from that?) and, for those who need the feature, does not significantly
 reduce the amount of configuration work (compared to a QOS system).
 
 Please correct me if I'm wrong! :)

Well I was thinking any management would have to be external to Fred but Toad at
least seems to consider the possibility. I guess I'd like to see two channels.

The other thing I've thought about is running two nodes - with a shared
datastore. One only talks to high bandwidth domestic IPs and the other only
talks to low bandwidth IPs. I'm nto sure if that is a good or bad idea.

Oh and Toad if you are listening: rather than a humongous CIDR list of IP
blocks, I'd also be quite happy with a DNS query like
1.0.0.127.zz.countries.nerd.dk

which returns a number code for a country. Cheaper and nastier, but given the
relatively small number of domestic IP addresses contacting me as a Freenet node
(versus a list of all possible IP addresses) it may be easier to implement.

It does make use of a third party service, but if the fallback position is to
assume it's a high bandwidth cost IP, it's of no harm if it fails and may do
some good.





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[freenet-support] Re: freenet gateway pages

2004-05-18 Thread Wayne McDougall
Wayne McDougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I just tested and https://freenet.mixmaster.it:4433/servlet/nodeinfo/
 is working
 
 https://freenet.thing.net/ 
 usually works - doesn't seem to be responding at the moment but worth trying 
 again later.

It was back up again last time I checked.

   any suggestions?
 
 I offer my humble gateway:
 
 https://freenet.dyns.net:1443

Not surprisingly my gateway got some use after my post. I notice there are 
some regular visitors - probably testing how far their inserts propagate. Good 
idea! So I thought I should offer this warning:

I'm taking my public gateway down for the next 3 days to avoid a bandwidth 
surcharge (the rate limiting bug in 5081 didn't help). Someday I'll put some 
traffic shaper on my router to avoid this.





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[freenet-support] Re: freenet gateway pages

2004-05-16 Thread Wayne McDougall
Francis GUDIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 Dans gmane.network.freenet.support, vous avez crit:
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
 
  Are there any currently working Freenet gateways anywhere? I'm
  experimenting some and would like to be able to attempt retrieving my test
  inserts by way of a web gateway other than my own node.
 
  Freenet gateways list  stats
  https://www.mixmaster.it/freenet/  none of the listed gateways respond at
  all.

That's not my experience:

I just tested and https://freenet.mixmaster.it:4433/servlet/nodeinfo/
is working

https://freenet.thing.net/ 
usually works - doesn't seem to be responding at the moment but worth trying 
again later.

  any suggestions?

I offer my humble gateway:

https://freenet.dyns.net:1443



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[freenet-support] Nodeconfig crashes in Windows 5074 and 5075

2004-03-17 Thread Wayne McDougall
Title: Message



Nodeconfig.exe 
crashes under Windows...I think this started with 5074 and is definitely present 
in 5075.
NodeConfig MFC Application has encountered a problem and needs to close. We 
are sorry for the inconvenience.
It always truncates 
my Freenet.ini at the same place so the last few lines read:

# How long to wait 
for authentication before giving up (in 
milliseconds)authTimeout=12

# The interval at 
which to write out the node's data file# (the store_port file, *not* 
the cache_port file).checkPointInterval=1200

# How long to listen 
on an inactive connection before closing# (if reply address is 
known)connectionTimeout=60

# The expected 
stan


I've done a complete 
uninstall and reinstall of 5075 without any change.

Please let me know 
if you need further information.


Until this is fixed 
in order to get my node running I'll need to manually edit freenet.ini and I 
don't know how to enable the "Serious geeks Only" setting:
"Allow changes to No 
address, Port and Availability settings" and to disable
"Automatic IP 
address detection". I've set my IP and port number but that doesn't seem 
sufficient.



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[freenet-support] Routing Table Corrupt

2002-10-29 Thread Wayne McDougall
Greetings. This morning I found a message Routing Table corrupt. Remote RT files and 
restart.

I'm new - onyl been up 36 hours. I don't know where the RT files are or how to remove 
them.

I've downloaded and installed 5.0.1 choosing to keep my settings. That didn't help.

I'd appreciate some advice.

Regards

Wayne


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