[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-30 Thread Matthew Toseland
Have a look around on the wiki. It's quite possible to run freenet 0.7 from just the jars. You need to get freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar and freenet-ext.jar, and a JVM, and run java -cp freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar;freenet-ext.jar freenet.node.Node ... On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 04:50:23AM -, Anonymous

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-30 Thread Anonymous via Panta Rhei
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:39:59 +0200, you wrote: > > nobody at geonosis.homelinux.net wrote: > > > Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware > > will not > > support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME > > people, I > > don't have a hell

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-30 Thread Evan Daniel
On 30 Aug 2006 04:50:23 -, Anonymous via Panta Rhei > Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. > Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations > that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. > > Changing OS is not an option no

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-30 Thread Matthew Toseland
Have a look around on the wiki. It's quite possible to run freenet 0.7 from just the jars. You need to get freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar and freenet-ext.jar, and a JVM, and run java -cp freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar;freenet-ext.jar freenet.node.Node ... On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 04:50:23AM -, Anonymous

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread inverse
nobody at geonosis.homelinux.net wrote: > Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware will > not support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME > people, I don't have a hell > I suggest linux. There are many versions of it, some of them

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Matthew Toseland
Fair enough. Running a node involves trusting people. Running an opennet node involves trusting total strangers. We can improve on our security against treachery to a degree, so that you don't have to trust your peers quite as much, but the more powerful techniques for improving security, such as

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Matthew Toseland
Messages from non-subscribers are moderated manually. I was away over the weekend so the messages didn't get approved until today. Maybe I should have checked the actual content of the messages... On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 09:11:03PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote: > Please stop this spam, you fucking

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Ortwin Regel
Please stop this spam, you fucking idiots... :-/ On 29 Aug 2006 13:10:13 -, Fake Name wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: > >On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > >> to be on.

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Matthew Toseland
Store files simply cannot be converted as you suggest, because their contents are encrypted; you can download a site from 0.5 and insert it into 0.7, if you know the key. You will probably have to generate a new SSK keypair. You might even be able to spider 0.5 and insert the sites (with new SSK

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Fake Name
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: >On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: >> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Nomen Nescio
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: >On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: >> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread nobody
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Hartmut Folter
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Fake Name
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Fake Name
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Fake Name
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Ortwin Regel
Please stop this spam, you fucking idiots... :-/On 29 Aug 2006 13:10:13 -, Fake Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Matthew Toseland
Store files simply cannot be converted as you suggest, because their contents are encrypted; you can download a site from 0.5 and insert it into 0.7, if you know the key. You will probably have to generate a new SSK keypair. You might even be able to spider 0.5 and insert the sites (with new SSK

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Matthew Toseland
Messages from non-subscribers are moderated manually. I was away over the weekend so the messages didn't get approved until today. Maybe I should have checked the actual content of the messages... On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 09:11:03PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote: Please stop this spam, you fucking

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread inverse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware will not support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME people, I don't have a hell I suggest linux. There are many versions of it, some of them designed to run on

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Matthew Toseland
Fair enough. Running a node involves trusting people. Running an opennet node involves trusting total strangers. We can improve on our security against treachery to a degree, so that you don't have to trust your peers quite as much, but the more powerful techniques for improving security, such as

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Anonymous via Panta Rhei
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:39:59 +0200, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware will not support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME people, I don't have a hell I suggest linux. There

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-29 Thread Evan Daniel
On 30 Aug 2006 04:50:23 -, Anonymous via Panta Rhei Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. Changing OS is not an option no matter

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-28 Thread Nomen Nescio
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 vs 0,7 moving discussion

2006-08-27 Thread -
Hi, I'm attempting to move this discussion the the chat list as requested, I've posted there and looking forward to your replies! If you're not subscribed you can look at it here: http://archives.freenetproject.org/list/chat.en.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
and at pobox.com, support at freenetproject.org >To: "urza9814 at gmail.com" >CC: support at freenetproject.org >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:06:37 -0400 > >Please justify your assumptions. > >There is a lot of data on so

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
> > Really, if you don't trust anyone, you shouldn't be using the internet, > and you probably should reconsider whether life is worth living. :) > I trust a lot of people a little bit. I don't trust many people a lot. And I've never really become acquainted philosophically with anyone on

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 8/27/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. > Hmmm. Except they won't be using the opennet at all if they're serious enough about keeping their net and themselves safe that they won't use IRC to find new connections. The end result of

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
t;To: "urza9814 at gmail.com" > >CC: support at freenetproject.org > >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:06:37 -0400 > > > >Please justify your assumptions. > > > >There is a lot of data on social net

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Evan Daniel
Please justify your assumptions. There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how they look. I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet darknet would be built upon would be different. Evan On 8/26/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > Yea, but you don't know all

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread George Orwell
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: >On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: >> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
ons of what had happened or why the message > behaved so peculiarly? Incidently the icon was "utitled" when I attempted > to save it -- my common practice when a mail message appears to be peculiar. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: > > To: > &g

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or even one of a small few. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Maybe a T1 or T3 could handle it, but not what 90+% of the people using freenet would have to work with. As I follow these threads I begin to see a core group

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
save it -- my common practice when a mail message appears to be peculiar. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 8/27/2006 12:19:54 AM > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 > > I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
>>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to >>everyone else.

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if you get this global network of

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9814
-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or even one of a small few. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Maybe a T1 or T3 could handle it, but not what 90+% of the people using freenet would have to work with. As I follow these threads I

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 8/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. Hmmm. Except they won't be using the opennet at all if they're serious enough about keeping their net and themselves safe that they won't use IRC to find new connections. The

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Evan Daniel
Please justify your assumptions. There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how they look. I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet darknet would be built upon would be different. Evan On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, but you

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread diddler4u
PROTECTED], support@freenetproject.org To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:06:37 -0400 Please justify your assumptions. There is a lot of data on social networks that says

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread urza9814
-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:06:37 -0400 Please justify your assumptions. There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how they look. I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet darknet would be built upon would be different. Evan On 8/26/06

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 vs 0,7 moving discussion

2006-08-27 Thread -
Hi, I'm attempting to move this discussion the the chat list as requested, I've posted there and looking forward to your replies! If you're not subscribed you can look at it here: http://archives.freenetproject.org/list/chat.en.html ___

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-27 Thread Nicholas Sturm
Really, if you don't trust anyone, you shouldn't be using the internet, and you probably should reconsider whether life is worth living. :) I trust a lot of people a little bit. I don't trust many people a lot. And I've never really become acquainted philosophically with anyone on freenet.

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-26 Thread Evan Daniel
On 8/26/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > >>setup is to allow small

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-26 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. Hmmm. On 8/26/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > >>network. There might be now,

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-26 Thread Ian Clarke
On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > setup is to allow small

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-26 Thread Ian Clarke
On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happensto be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no mainnetwork. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently issetup is to allow small groups to connect

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-26 Thread urza9814
Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. Hmmm. On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now,

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-26 Thread Evan Daniel
On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-26 Thread diddler4u
I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or even one of a small few. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Maybe a T1 or T3 could handle it, but not what 90+% of the people using freenet would have to work with. As I follow these threads I begin to see a core group

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-26 Thread Nicholas Sturm
practice when a mail message appears to be peculiar. [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: support@freenetproject.org Date: 8/27/2006 12:19:54 AM Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or even one

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread an ominous cow herd
Thank you for the reply. I'm not looking to be argumentative, and acknowledge Ian's request to take this to a different board, but must ask why the Freenet group decide to direct new users to the new alpha 0.7 network instead of the established 0.5 network before there was an open net?

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
Doesn't have anything to do with 0.5 as far as I can tell. Except that in 0.5 you don't have to capture PCs to capture people on the network, in 0.7you do, making it quite a bit more secure. On 8/25/06, Evan Daniel wrote: > > On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > > > >It should not be

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
>From: "Evan Daniel" >Reply-To: evand at pobox.com, support at freenetproject.org >To: support at freenetproject.org >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:55:31 -0400 > >On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: &

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets captured, that's possible. On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > >No, only he is busted. > > > How do you figure that? Doesn't he have connections that canthen be traced > and then the connections of those

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
No, only he is busted. On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > >Except that probably one of your friends knows someone on an other > network, > >exchanges refs, and bang!, you've got a big worldwide network again. > > > > > > Or one of them goes into an IRC chat and exchanges the

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
eenetproject.org > >To: support at freenetproject.org > >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 > >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:54:16 +0200 > > > >On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > >> >From: "Lars Juel Nielsen" > >> &g

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
>It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets >captured, that's possible. If the person was busted their computer would be captured. I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted (truecrypt or the like) partition or container and just hope

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Evan Daniel
On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > >It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets > >captured, that's possible. > > If the person was busted their computer would be captured. > > I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted >

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
> >No, only he is busted. > How do you figure that? Doesn't he have connections that canthen be traced and then the connections of those traced? _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
> >Except that probably one of your friends knows someone on an other network, >exchanges refs, and bang!, you've got a big worldwide network again. > > Or one of them goes into an IRC chat and exchanges the information and bang you're all busted.

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread freenetw...@web.de
0) be sure you have Java version 1.5 or 1.6 (1.4 will/should work too) - type "java -version" in a console and watch the output 1) download these two files into a separate directory you've created forehand: - http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/freenet-r10260-snapshot.jar -

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
>From: "Lars Juel Nielsen" >Reply-To: support at freenetproject.org >To: support at freenetproject.org >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:54:16 +0200 > >On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: >> >From:

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread yoda
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:37:56 -0400, Juiceman wrote: > > For those of you have never even tried to use 0.7 but are complaining about > it: > 1. You shouldn't argue until you at least try it. > 2. It performs quite well IMO compared to 0.5 > 3. Almost every app from 0.5 works with 0.7 now (or

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
; > less > > > > than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but > > > > that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a > > > > connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each > > &

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > >From: "Lars Juel Nielsen" > > >to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick > >them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts > >are part of it. > > Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
t;> > than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, > >but > >> > that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a > >> > connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each > >other. > >> > Making

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
It has around 600 users judging from recent estimates, a fair amount of content, and a lot of frost chatter. The stable branch was updated fairly regularly; the purpose of having a separate stable network was so we could test disruptive network changes. We may in future (after we are out of 0.7

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one > > shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? > > > > > > > > > > >From: urza9814 at gmail.com > > >Reply-To: support at freenetproject.org > > >To

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread yoda
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:37:56 -0400, Juiceman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For those of you have never even tried to use 0.7 but are complaining about it: 1. You shouldn't argue until you at least try it. 2. It performs quite well IMO compared to 0.5 3. Almost every app from 0.5 works

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
0) be sure you have Java version 1.5 or 1.6 (1.4 will/should work too) - type java -version in a console and watch the output 1) download these two files into a separate directory you've created forehand: - http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/freenet-r10260-snapshot.jar -

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddler4u
From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:54:16 +0200 On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
Except that probably one of your friends knows someone on an other network, exchanges refs, and bang!, you've got a big worldwide network again.On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org To:

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddler4u
Except that probably one of your friends knows someone on an other network, exchanges refs, and bang!, you've got a big worldwide network again. Or one of them goes into an IRC chat and exchanges the information and bang you're all busted.

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
No, only he is busted.On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Except that probably one of your friends knows someone on an other network, exchanges refs, and bang!, you've got a big worldwide network again.Or one of them goes into an IRC chat and exchanges the information and

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddler4u
No, only he is busted. How do you figure that? Doesn't he have connections that canthen be traced and then the connections of those traced? _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets captured, that's possible.On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, only he is busted.How do you figure that? Doesn't he have connections that canthen be tracedand then the connections of those

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddler4u
It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets captured, that's possible. If the person was busted their computer would be captured. I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted (truecrypt or the like) partition or container and just hope

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Evan Daniel
On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets captured, that's possible. If the person was busted their computer would be captured. I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
Doesn't have anything to do with 0.5 as far as I can tell. Except that in 0.5 you don't have to capture PCs to capture people on the network, in 0.7 you do, making it quite a bit more secure. On 8/25/06, Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread diddler4u
From: Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:55:31 -0400 On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
It has around 600 users judging from recent estimates, a fair amount of content, and a lot of frost chatter. The stable branch was updated fairly regularly; the purpose of having a separate stable network was so we could test disruptive network changes. We may in future (after we are out of 0.7

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400 Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-25 Thread an ominous cow herd
Thank you for the reply. I'm not looking to be argumentative, and acknowledge Ian's request to take this to a different board, but must ask why the Freenet group decide to direct new users to the new alpha 0.7 network instead of the established 0.5 network before there was an open net?

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
>From: "Lars Juel Nielsen" >to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick >them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts >are part of it. Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting someone in. All they have to do is go to the IRC Chat and

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
oject.org >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400 > >Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >network. There might be now, but the i

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Juiceman
On 8/24/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > True, but the opennet isn't illegal. > I'm not in any way saying the darknet shouldn't be added...it's a > great feature...but freenet has always been an opennet, and that > should be done first. People who want a darknet are probably already > using

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread nob...@geonosis.homelinux.net
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
ly connection they have is through that one > shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? > > > > > >From: urza9814 at gmail.com > >Reply-To: support at freenetproject.org > >To: support at freenetproject.org > >Subject: Re: [freenet-su

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread urza9...@gmail.com
Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. Pretty

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddle...@hotmail.com
I've got a question for the developers. First a couple of comments. I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it somewhere else I welcome it. I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. I don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread freenetw...@web.de
Choose: 1) 0.5: - the branch stable is in effect the branch unstable. both share the same code, eventhough the 'stable' is called 0.5 and the unstable "pre 0.6" or something like that - unstable (eventhough the branch is called 'stable'): there are still major problems with the

Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Rowland
A me-too and a summary of the discussion thus far as I see it: 1. Breaking backward compatibility is a bad thing. 2. Saying you won't ever do it again is small comfort. 3. Providing a migration path would help a lot. 4. I don't care about the darknet. I don't object to its existence but I have

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread David 'Bombe' Roden
On Thursday 24 August 2006 05:06, an ominous cow herd wrote: > My question, which has yet to be answered, is why did the Freenet > project break with the previous release model and start directing new > users to the unstable alpha 0.7 release? Because Freenet 0.5 and Freenet 0.7 are two separate

[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Matthew Toseland
Why bother even anonymizing your emails if you insist on running an unsupported (and therefore seriously insecure) operating system? On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:03:55PM +0200, nobody at dantooine.homelinux.net wrote: > This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Winston Smith >

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Choose: 1) 0.5: - the branch stable is in effect the branch unstable. both share the same code, eventhough the 'stable' is called 0.5 and the unstable "pre 0.6" or something like that - unstable (eventhough the branch is called 'stable'): there are still major problems with the

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread diddler4u
I've got a question for the developers. First a couple of comments. I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it somewhere else I welcome it. I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. I don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I

Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

2006-08-24 Thread Rowland
A me-too and a summary of the discussion thus far as I see it: 1. Breaking backward compatibility is a bad thing. 2. Saying you won't ever do it again is small comfort. 3. Providing a migration path would help a lot. 4. I don't care about the darknet. I don't object to its existence but I have

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