Re: [freenet-support] Freenet inside LAN

2009-08-27 Thread Luke771
Evan Daniel wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM, David R.ellimi...@gmail.com wrote:
   

 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   
 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:40 AM, David R. ellimi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've just found Freenet, and it looks really great.  I've always
 considered freedom of speech pretty much the most important thing you
 can
 have, so I love what this is doing.  Anyway, I've had what seems to be
 a
 good idea - set up people at my school to use freenet.  I'm planning to
 bundle it with a few other apps (tor, firefox+privacy addons, utorrent,
 etc)
 and let people download it and put it on their flash drives, and run it
 whenever they get on a school computer.  As they did this, they'd
 connect to
 a mini-freenet (darknet of course), within the school.  The main
 problem
 I've got here is that freenet doesn't work over LAN, or at least I
 can't
 figure out how to make it do so.  I don't want one computer on freenet,
 and
 the others running a browser pointed to 192.168.1.X.  I want to set up
 a
 darknet composed of computers within the same LAN.

 If anyone knows how I could do this, or could suggest another way to do
 it  (I tried WASTE, and couldnt get it going either) I would very much
 appreciate it.

 Thanks,
 Ellimistd


   
 The Freenet program has no idea if an IP address is a LAN or WAN
 address.
 Because it can not know your exact network settings. The only thing it
 does
 is sending packets to other IP addresses. Your users should always point
 their browsers to 127.0.0.1, not external IP address, since fproxy binds
 to
 loopback interface, not external interfaces, otherwise it would require
 authentification to connect to the node. When you get 3-4 nodes up 
 running, you can try to connect them by exchanging noderefs. to do all
 this
 in pure darknet (without access to internet) just remove seednodes.fref
 file
 in freenet's root directory. You may put it back when you decide to use
 opennet. However, since you use LAN, you should probably not use opennet
 connections, since it is WERY easy to find out that you run freenet when
 you
 do so. Hope this helps.
 
 No need to delete the seednodes file.  Just turn off opennet on the
 config screen.

 Running opennet on the LAN should work just fine, with no more
 security issues than running opennet anywhere else.

 I've run two nodes on the same LAN; it doesn't require any special
 configuration.  I just turned on opennet on both, then exchanged
 darknet refs, and they connected over the LAN and connected to the
 outside world, and it all just worked.

 Evan Daniel
 ___
   
 ___
 Exellent, it works perfectly (in my test, at least.  I have yet to try it
 for for it's real purpose).  I don't know why it didn't before, but
 whatever.  Still, I may have another problem - is freenet portable?  If I
 run the installer to install to a flash drive, put firefox-portable on that
 drive, write a batch script to start freenet and open firefox to
 127.0.0.1:, will it work on another computer?  (assuming that computer
 has java).   It doesn't seem like freenet would _need_ any registry entries
 to function, but I'd like to be sure, and i'm not certain I'd catch
 everything if I did it myself.

 -Ellimistd

 

 Yes and no.  It will run just fine, however you'll lose things like
 the automatic start at bootup.  Also, Freenet is not expected to work
 well with low uptime; it really, really wants to run 24x7 or close to
 it.  Connecting for a couple hours a day won't work nearly as well.
 Also, I highly recommend using a data store of several GB, which is
 getting large by flash drive standards.

 Evan Daniel

   
(top posting corrected)

I think that one very important detail has been missed here. As I 
understand, the idea is to have a bunch of applications on an USB stick, 
including Freenet.

Now, while it is true that Freenet will run on any computer that has a 
compatible JRE installed, on the other hand Freenet is not that kind 
of application. It won't work well if you start Freenet, access a 
freesite or two, download a file, and shut down right away.
Freenet needs to keep running as long as possible, ideally 24/7. It is 
possible (I'd say even probable... but I don't really know) that running 
a mini-freenet that is disconnected from the Freenet network, single 
nodes may work well with less uptime/day, but that's a wild guess.

Besides if ONE of those users decided to connect to the main network 
(e.g. using Opennet, or exchanging darknet refs with a user outside of 
the school) the whole mini-freenet' would become a part of the freenet 
network, which on one hand is all about freedom of speech and all these 
noce things but on the other hand it's as good as guaranteed that some 
parents 

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet inside LAN

2009-08-23 Thread Alex Pyattaev
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:40 AM, David R. ellimi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just found Freenet, and it looks really great.  I've always considered
 freedom of speech pretty much the most important thing you can have, so I
 love what this is doing.  Anyway, I've had what seems to be a good idea -
 set up people at my school to use freenet.  I'm planning to bundle it with a
 few other apps (tor, firefox+privacy addons, utorrent, etc) and let people
 download it and put it on their flash drives, and run it whenever they get
 on a school computer.  As they did this, they'd connect to a mini-freenet
 (darknet of course), within the school.  The main problem I've got here is
 that freenet doesn't work over LAN, or at least I can't figure out how to
 make it do so.  I don't want one computer on freenet, and the others running
 a browser pointed to 192.168.1.X.  I want to set up a darknet composed of
 computers within the same LAN.

 If anyone knows how I could do this, or could suggest another way to do it
 (I tried WASTE, and couldnt get it going either) I would very much
 appreciate it.

 Thanks,
 Ellimistd

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The Freenet program has no idea if an IP address is a LAN or WAN address.
Because it can not know your exact network settings. The only thing it does
is sending packets to other IP addresses. Your users should always point
their browsers to 127.0.0.1, not external IP address, since fproxy binds to
loopback interface, not external interfaces, otherwise it would require
authentification to connect to the node. When you get 3-4 nodes up 
running, you can try to connect them by exchanging noderefs. to do all this
in pure darknet (without access to internet) just remove seednodes.fref file
in freenet's root directory. You may put it back when you decide to use
opennet. However, since you use LAN, you should probably not use opennet
connections, since it is WERY easy to find out that you run freenet when you
do so. Hope this helps.
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet inside LAN

2009-08-23 Thread Evan Daniel
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:40 AM, David R. ellimi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just found Freenet, and it looks really great.  I've always
 considered freedom of speech pretty much the most important thing you can
 have, so I love what this is doing.  Anyway, I've had what seems to be a
 good idea - set up people at my school to use freenet.  I'm planning to
 bundle it with a few other apps (tor, firefox+privacy addons, utorrent, etc)
 and let people download it and put it on their flash drives, and run it
 whenever they get on a school computer.  As they did this, they'd connect to
 a mini-freenet (darknet of course), within the school.  The main problem
 I've got here is that freenet doesn't work over LAN, or at least I can't
 figure out how to make it do so.  I don't want one computer on freenet, and
 the others running a browser pointed to 192.168.1.X.  I want to set up a
 darknet composed of computers within the same LAN.

 If anyone knows how I could do this, or could suggest another way to do
 it  (I tried WASTE, and couldnt get it going either) I would very much
 appreciate it.

 Thanks,
     Ellimistd

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 The Freenet program has no idea if an IP address is a LAN or WAN address.
 Because it can not know your exact network settings. The only thing it does
 is sending packets to other IP addresses. Your users should always point
 their browsers to 127.0.0.1, not external IP address, since fproxy binds to
 loopback interface, not external interfaces, otherwise it would require
 authentification to connect to the node. When you get 3-4 nodes up 
 running, you can try to connect them by exchanging noderefs. to do all this
 in pure darknet (without access to internet) just remove seednodes.fref file
 in freenet's root directory. You may put it back when you decide to use
 opennet. However, since you use LAN, you should probably not use opennet
 connections, since it is WERY easy to find out that you run freenet when you
 do so. Hope this helps.

No need to delete the seednodes file.  Just turn off opennet on the
config screen.

Running opennet on the LAN should work just fine, with no more
security issues than running opennet anywhere else.

I've run two nodes on the same LAN; it doesn't require any special
configuration.  I just turned on opennet on both, then exchanged
darknet refs, and they connected over the LAN and connected to the
outside world, and it all just worked.

Evan Daniel
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet inside LAN

2009-08-23 Thread David R.
Exellent, it works perfectly (in my test, at least.  I have yet to try it
for for it's real purpose).  I don't know why it didn't before, but
whatever.  Still, I may have another problem - is freenet portable?  If I
run the installer to install to a flash drive, put firefox-portable on that
drive, write a batch script to start freenet and open firefox to
127.0.0.1:, will it work on another computer?  (assuming that computer
has java).   It doesn't seem like freenet would _need_ any registry entries
to function, but I'd like to be sure, and i'm not certain I'd catch
everything if I did it myself.

-Ellimistd

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:40 AM, David R. ellimi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I've just found Freenet, and it looks really great.  I've always
  considered freedom of speech pretty much the most important thing you
 can
  have, so I love what this is doing.  Anyway, I've had what seems to be a
  good idea - set up people at my school to use freenet.  I'm planning to
  bundle it with a few other apps (tor, firefox+privacy addons, utorrent,
 etc)
  and let people download it and put it on their flash drives, and run it
  whenever they get on a school computer.  As they did this, they'd
 connect to
  a mini-freenet (darknet of course), within the school.  The main problem
  I've got here is that freenet doesn't work over LAN, or at least I can't
  figure out how to make it do so.  I don't want one computer on freenet,
 and
  the others running a browser pointed to 192.168.1.X.  I want to set up a
  darknet composed of computers within the same LAN.
 
  If anyone knows how I could do this, or could suggest another way to do
  it  (I tried WASTE, and couldnt get it going either) I would very much
  appreciate it.
 
  Thanks,
  Ellimistd
 
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  The Freenet program has no idea if an IP address is a LAN or WAN address.
  Because it can not know your exact network settings. The only thing it
 does
  is sending packets to other IP addresses. Your users should always point
  their browsers to 127.0.0.1, not external IP address, since fproxy binds
 to
  loopback interface, not external interfaces, otherwise it would require
  authentification to connect to the node. When you get 3-4 nodes up 
  running, you can try to connect them by exchanging noderefs. to do all
 this
  in pure darknet (without access to internet) just remove seednodes.fref
 file
  in freenet's root directory. You may put it back when you decide to use
  opennet. However, since you use LAN, you should probably not use opennet
  connections, since it is WERY easy to find out that you run freenet when
 you
  do so. Hope this helps.

 No need to delete the seednodes file.  Just turn off opennet on the
 config screen.

 Running opennet on the LAN should work just fine, with no more
 security issues than running opennet anywhere else.

 I've run two nodes on the same LAN; it doesn't require any special
 configuration.  I just turned on opennet on both, then exchanged
 darknet refs, and they connected over the LAN and connected to the
 outside world, and it all just worked.

 Evan Daniel
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet inside LAN

2009-08-23 Thread Evan Daniel
Yes and no.  It will run just fine, however you'll lose things like
the automatic start at bootup.  Also, Freenet is not expected to work
well with low uptime; it really, really wants to run 24x7 or close to
it.  Connecting for a couple hours a day won't work nearly as well.
Also, I highly recommend using a data store of several GB, which is
getting large by flash drive standards.

Evan Daniel

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM, David R.ellimi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Exellent, it works perfectly (in my test, at least.  I have yet to try it
 for for it's real purpose).  I don't know why it didn't before, but
 whatever.  Still, I may have another problem - is freenet portable?  If I
 run the installer to install to a flash drive, put firefox-portable on that
 drive, write a batch script to start freenet and open firefox to
 127.0.0.1:, will it work on another computer?  (assuming that computer
 has java).   It doesn't seem like freenet would _need_ any registry entries
 to function, but I'd like to be sure, and i'm not certain I'd catch
 everything if I did it myself.

 -Ellimistd

 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:40 AM, David R. ellimi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I've just found Freenet, and it looks really great.  I've always
  considered freedom of speech pretty much the most important thing you
  can
  have, so I love what this is doing.  Anyway, I've had what seems to be
  a
  good idea - set up people at my school to use freenet.  I'm planning to
  bundle it with a few other apps (tor, firefox+privacy addons, utorrent,
  etc)
  and let people download it and put it on their flash drives, and run it
  whenever they get on a school computer.  As they did this, they'd
  connect to
  a mini-freenet (darknet of course), within the school.  The main
  problem
  I've got here is that freenet doesn't work over LAN, or at least I
  can't
  figure out how to make it do so.  I don't want one computer on freenet,
  and
  the others running a browser pointed to 192.168.1.X.  I want to set up
  a
  darknet composed of computers within the same LAN.
 
  If anyone knows how I could do this, or could suggest another way to do
  it  (I tried WASTE, and couldnt get it going either) I would very much
  appreciate it.
 
  Thanks,
      Ellimistd
 
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  The Freenet program has no idea if an IP address is a LAN or WAN
  address.
  Because it can not know your exact network settings. The only thing it
  does
  is sending packets to other IP addresses. Your users should always point
  their browsers to 127.0.0.1, not external IP address, since fproxy binds
  to
  loopback interface, not external interfaces, otherwise it would require
  authentification to connect to the node. When you get 3-4 nodes up 
  running, you can try to connect them by exchanging noderefs. to do all
  this
  in pure darknet (without access to internet) just remove seednodes.fref
  file
  in freenet's root directory. You may put it back when you decide to use
  opennet. However, since you use LAN, you should probably not use opennet
  connections, since it is WERY easy to find out that you run freenet when
  you
  do so. Hope this helps.

 No need to delete the seednodes file.  Just turn off opennet on the
 config screen.

 Running opennet on the LAN should work just fine, with no more
 security issues than running opennet anywhere else.

 I've run two nodes on the same LAN; it doesn't require any special
 configuration.  I just turned on opennet on both, then exchanged
 darknet refs, and they connected over the LAN and connected to the
 outside world, and it all just worked.

 Evan Daniel
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[freenet-support] Freenet inside LAN

2009-08-22 Thread David R.
I've just found Freenet, and it looks really great.  I've always considered
freedom of speech pretty much the most important thing you can have, so I
love what this is doing.  Anyway, I've had what seems to be a good idea -
set up people at my school to use freenet.  I'm planning to bundle it with a
few other apps (tor, firefox+privacy addons, utorrent, etc) and let people
download it and put it on their flash drives, and run it whenever they get
on a school computer.  As they did this, they'd connect to a mini-freenet
(darknet of course), within the school.  The main problem I've got here is
that freenet doesn't work over LAN, or at least I can't figure out how to
make it do so.  I don't want one computer on freenet, and the others running
a browser pointed to 192.168.1.X.  I want to set up a darknet composed of
computers within the same LAN.

If anyone knows how I could do this, or could suggest another way to do it
(I tried WASTE, and couldnt get it going either) I would very much
appreciate it.

Thanks,
Ellimistd
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