[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

2008-09-10 Thread Matthew Toseland 
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 18:15, Jelbert Holtrop wrote:
> Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node  
> will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark  
> net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and  
> our identity is secure.

Your identity is somewhat secure provided the node in the datacenter is 
secure, and the friends you add are trustworthy. Generally this sort of thing 
doesn't gain much performance unless it's the only way you can run a 24x7 
node; most nodes don't manage output bandwidth over 70K/sec, and many nodes 
don't manage output bandwidth over 40K/sec.

> If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data  
> bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month )  
> needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of  
> bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my  
> quota.

You would need to set the bandwidth limits accordingly. We don't currently 
support a transfer limit/average bandwidth limit, but we do support bandwidth 
limits on both upstream and downstream bandwidth. If you give freenet a 
20K/sec output limit, it shouldn't use much more than that, but make sure you 
include some slack.
> 
> Jelbert
> On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69  wrote:
> >> I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
> >> minihowto, but I need an important question answered.
> >>
> >> How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some  
> >> purpose, add
> >> reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet  
> >> Friends,
> >> but is all on his own?
> >>
> >> This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about  
> >> adding the
> >> very reference node (that I know already)
> >>
> >> Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find
> >>
> >> I need it explained in down to earth words?
> >>
> >> It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)
> >
> > Short answer:  you don't.
> >
> > Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
> > run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
> > to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
> > than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
> > them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
> > or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
> > case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
> > So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
> > your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
> > you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
> > friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
> > isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
> > mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
> > person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
> > you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
> > another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
> > the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.
> >
> > Hope that clears things up...
> >
> > Evan Daniel
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Re: [freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

2008-09-10 Thread Matthew Toseland 
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 18:15, Jelbert Holtrop wrote:
> Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node  
> will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark  
> net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and  
> our identity is secure.

Your identity is somewhat secure provided the node in the datacenter is 
secure, and the friends you add are trustworthy. Generally this sort of thing 
doesn't gain much performance unless it's the only way you can run a 24x7 
node; most nodes don't manage output bandwidth over 70K/sec, and many nodes 
don't manage output bandwidth over 40K/sec.

> If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data  
> bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month )  
> needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of  
> bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my  
> quota.

You would need to set the bandwidth limits accordingly. We don't currently 
support a transfer limit/average bandwidth limit, but we do support bandwidth 
limits on both upstream and downstream bandwidth. If you give freenet a 
20K/sec output limit, it shouldn't use much more than that, but make sure you 
include some slack.
> 
> Jelbert
> On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
> >> minihowto, but I need an important question answered.
> >>
> >> How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some  
> >> purpose, add
> >> reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet  
> >> Friends,
> >> but is all on his own?
> >>
> >> This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about  
> >> adding the
> >> very reference node (that I know already)
> >>
> >> Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find
> >>
> >> I need it explained in down to earth words?
> >>
> >> It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)
> >
> > Short answer:  you don't.
> >
> > Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
> > run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
> > to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
> > than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
> > them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
> > or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
> > case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
> > So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
> > your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
> > you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
> > friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
> > isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
> > mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
> > person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
> > you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
> > another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
> > the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.
> >
> > Hope that clears things up...
> >
> > Evan Daniel
> > ___
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[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

2008-09-09 Thread Jelbert Holtrop 
Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node  
will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark  
net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and  
our identity is secure.
If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data  
bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month )  
needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of  
bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my  
quota.

Jelbert
On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69  wrote:
>> I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
>> minihowto, but I need an important question answered.
>>
>> How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some  
>> purpose, add
>> reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet  
>> Friends,
>> but is all on his own?
>>
>> This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about  
>> adding the
>> very reference node (that I know already)
>>
>> Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find
>>
>> I need it explained in down to earth words?
>>
>> It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)
>
> Short answer:  you don't.
>
> Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
> run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
> to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
> than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
> them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
> or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
> case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
> So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
> your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
> you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
> friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
> isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
> mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
> person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
> you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
> another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
> the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.
>
> Hope that clears things up...
>
> Evan Daniel
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[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

2008-09-09 Thread bqz69 
I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS 
minihowto, but I need an important question answered.

How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add 
reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, 
but is all on his own?

This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the 
very reference node (that I know already)

Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find

I need it explained in down to earth words?

It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)

Re: [freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

2008-09-09 Thread Jelbert Holtrop 
Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node  
will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark  
net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and  
our identity is secure.
If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data  
bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month )  
needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of  
bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my  
quota.

Jelbert
On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
>> minihowto, but I need an important question answered.
>>
>> How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some  
>> purpose, add
>> reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet  
>> Friends,
>> but is all on his own?
>>
>> This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about  
>> adding the
>> very reference node (that I know already)
>>
>> Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find
>>
>> I need it explained in down to earth words?
>>
>> It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)
>
> Short answer:  you don't.
>
> Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
> run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
> to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
> than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
> them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
> or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
> case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
> So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
> your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
> you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
> friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
> isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
> mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
> person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
> you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
> another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
> the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.
>
> Hope that clears things up...
>
> Evan Daniel
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[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

2008-09-09 Thread Evan Daniel 
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69  wrote:
> I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
> minihowto, but I need an important question answered.
>
> How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add
> reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends,
> but is all on his own?
>
> This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the
> very reference node (that I know already)
>
> Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find
>
> I need it explained in down to earth words?
>
> It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)

Short answer:  you don't.

Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.

Hope that clears things up...

Evan Daniel

Re: [freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

2008-09-09 Thread Evan Daniel 
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
> minihowto, but I need an important question answered.
>
> How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add
> reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends,
> but is all on his own?
>
> This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the
> very reference node (that I know already)
>
> Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find
>
> I need it explained in down to earth words?
>
> It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)

Short answer:  you don't.

Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.

Hope that clears things up...

Evan Daniel
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[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

2008-09-09 Thread bqz69 
I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS 
minihowto, but I need an important question answered.

How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add 
reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, 
but is all on his own?

This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the 
very reference node (that I know already)

Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find

I need it explained in down to earth words?

It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)
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