Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-12 Thread evolution
Quoting Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Are you sure the below are the right way around?

> > Startup times:
> >
> > useDSIndex=true
> > 48secs 34secs 40secs
> >
> > useDSIndex=false
> > 27secs 37secs 33secs

Ja, aber ich wiederholte es und du siehst.

12 more times:

useDSIndex=true
29secs 30secs 31secs
37secs 36secs 40secs

useDSIndex=false
36secs 30secs 29secs
30secs 46secs 33secs

The log entry says, "Use a datastore index file. Shorter startup time, but we
have to run checkpoints, which lock the datastore, causing a hiccup."  Looks
like using the index file gives me *longer* startup times, or at least a
statistically insignificant difference.

-todd

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-12 Thread Toad
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 04:27:21PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quoting Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 04:15:52PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > To time the node, I check the logs.  Start time is "Starting Freenet".
> > > End time is "starting ListenSelector".  Does this work?
> >
> > Yup.
> 
> Okay, I ran startups.  Six actually, three with useDSIndex=true, and three with
> false.

Are you sure the below are the right way around?
> 
> Startup times:
> 
> useDSIndex=true
> 48secs 34secs 40secs
> 
> useDSIndex=false
> 27secs 37secs 33secs
> 
> -todd
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-12 Thread evolution
Quoting Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 04:15:52PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > To time the node, I check the logs.  Start time is "Starting Freenet".
> > End time is "starting ListenSelector".  Does this work?
>
> Yup.

Okay, I ran startups.  Six actually, three with useDSIndex=true, and three with
false.

Startup times:

useDSIndex=true
48secs 34secs 40secs

useDSIndex=false
27secs 37secs 33secs

-todd

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-12 Thread Toad
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 05:59:32AM +0200, Niklas wrote:
> Or maybe we could double-buffer the index file.

We do. This is some sort of wierd bug. But I'm not convinced that the
index is useful.
> 
> /N
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Someone
> Sent: den 11 oktober 2004 23:24
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.
> 
> Niklas schrieb:
> 
> > Can you put them on a web server or so? I would like to see what kind of
> > error that caused the index file corruption.
> > 
> > /N
> 
> I disabled the index some months ago, because it got corrupt whenever I
> killed the java process while it "refreshed" the index. Seems like windows
> doesn't give it enough time to finish the current jobs when you kill it
> by the taskmanager. This also kills my routing table from time to time,
> so I have to backup it on a regular basis.
> 
> Maybe the node should have some type of button on the fproxy page to do
> a clean shutdown.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-12 Thread Toad
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 09:28:36AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Quoting Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> Maybe the node should have some type of button on the fproxy page to do
> >> a clean shutdown.
> >
> > Can you not right click on the blue bunny in the system tray and select
> > Shutdown?
> >
> > -todd
> 
> I requested a clean API to shut down the node.  Oh, about two years ago.
> The bunny Shutdown is just a slightly-more-elegant call to TerminateProcess()

If it doesn't shut down "cleanly" when you terminate it, then something
is wrong. Hence the need to benchmark node startup on various platforms
with and without useDSIndex. If we can just get rid of that, then that
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-12 Thread Toad
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 04:15:52PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quoting Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 02:09:43PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On Linux, how does a person know that startup is finished?
> >
> > From the log.
> 
> Okay, well, my logging is set to Normal.  When I start up the node, I get a log
> entry for "Starting Freenet", many more, and then an entry for "starting
> ListenSelector", which appears to be the last "starting up" type message.  The
> next entry is from NIOInputStream and says "waited more than 12ms in
> NIOIS.read()" blah blah blah.
> 
> Am I to assume that the ListenSelector message means the node is fully started?
> If it's *starting* something, then obviously the node is *not* fully started,
> but, lacking a blatant "Node is started" log statement, the ListenSelector
> statement will do, correct?  The doIndex part comes before ListenSelector is
> started, right?

Yep. It's certainly loaded the store if it's starting to listen for
connections...
> 
> Okay, in case I just twisted you in English knots, I'll restate the original
> purpose.  I want to time how long it takes the node to start, and compare with
> doIndex equals true and false.  To time the node, I check the logs.  Start time
> is "Starting Freenet".  End time is "starting ListenSelector".  Does this work?

Yup.
> 
> -todd
> 
> post script: *scratch head*  I just checked freenet.conf, and it seems the
> doIndex that I remember, and that you, Toad, referred to in the previous emails
> is not there.  It's called useDSIndex.  Has it changed recently?

Probably it's called useDSIndex...
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-12 Thread dave
> Quoting Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Maybe the node should have some type of button on the fproxy page to do
>> a clean shutdown.
>
> Can you not right click on the blue bunny in the system tray and select
> Shutdown?
>
> -todd

I requested a clean API to shut down the node.  Oh, about two years ago.
The bunny Shutdown is just a slightly-more-elegant call to TerminateProcess()

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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-12 Thread Wayne McDougall
Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> Niklas schrieb:
> 
> > Can you put them on a web server or so? I would like to see what kind of
> > error that caused the index file corruption.
> > 
> > /N
> 
> I disabled the index some months ago, because it got corrupt whenever I
> killed the java process while it "refreshed" the index. Seems like windows
> doesn't give it enough time to finish the current jobs when you kill it
> by the taskmanager. This also kills my routing table from time to time,
> so I have to backup it on a regular basis.
> 
> Maybe the node should have some type of button on the fproxy page to do
> a clean shutdown.

FWIW: Nothing unusual preceded the data store index going bye bye. I never
terminated Java or the task. I always shutdown from the bunny. It always
had plenty of time to shutdown. There were no power failures (there have been
in the past but this never damaged the data store).

Having said that, the only unusual data points would be
a) my node had been up for a record 11 days. Noticed memory consumption was up 
to 200+ MB (which is higher than I've seen for a very long time with recent 
nodes). No OOM - I allocate 256 Mb - but it seemed unusual, so I restarted 
then. I don't know if the problem happened thereafter, but memory remains 
around the 200 Mb in normal operations now - my guess is that's correlated by 
the number of keys, or somehow associated with my increasing data store size 
but I have no idea.

b) I did shutdown the node almost immediately on startup - it's in the startup 
group, and I really needed all the bandwidth for downloadinmg patches - so I 
shut it down before it had finished starting up. I've doen that before too, but 
it could have been a timing issue.

If that's at all helpful.



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RE: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-11 Thread Niklas
Or maybe we could double-buffer the index file.

/N

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Subject: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

Niklas schrieb:

> Can you put them on a web server or so? I would like to see what kind of
> error that caused the index file corruption.
> 
> /N

I disabled the index some months ago, because it got corrupt whenever I
killed the java process while it "refreshed" the index. Seems like windows
doesn't give it enough time to finish the current jobs when you kill it
by the taskmanager. This also kills my routing table from time to time,
so I have to backup it on a regular basis.

Maybe the node should have some type of button on the fproxy page to do
a clean shutdown.

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-11 Thread evolution
Quoting Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 02:09:43PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Linux, how does a person know that startup is finished?
>
> From the log.

Okay, well, my logging is set to Normal.  When I start up the node, I get a log
entry for "Starting Freenet", many more, and then an entry for "starting
ListenSelector", which appears to be the last "starting up" type message.  The
next entry is from NIOInputStream and says "waited more than 12ms in
NIOIS.read()" blah blah blah.

Am I to assume that the ListenSelector message means the node is fully started?
If it's *starting* something, then obviously the node is *not* fully started,
but, lacking a blatant "Node is started" log statement, the ListenSelector
statement will do, correct?  The doIndex part comes before ListenSelector is
started, right?

Okay, in case I just twisted you in English knots, I'll restate the original
purpose.  I want to time how long it takes the node to start, and compare with
doIndex equals true and false.  To time the node, I check the logs.  Start time
is "Starting Freenet".  End time is "starting ListenSelector".  Does this work?

-todd

post script: *scratch head*  I just checked freenet.conf, and it seems the
doIndex that I remember, and that you, Toad, referred to in the previous emails
is not there.  It's called useDSIndex.  Has it changed recently?

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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-11 Thread Someone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Can you not right click on the blue bunny in the system tray and select
Shutdown?
-todd
See my message here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.devel/15673
and AFAIK shutting it down via the bunny ist the same as killing the process via
the taskmanager.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-11 Thread evolution
Quoting Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Maybe the node should have some type of button on the fproxy page to do
> a clean shutdown.

Can you not right click on the blue bunny in the system tray and select
Shutdown?

-todd

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-11 Thread Toad
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:24:03PM +0200, Someone wrote:
> Niklas schrieb:
> 
> >Can you put them on a web server or so? I would like to see what kind of
> >error that caused the index file corruption.
> >
> >/N
> 
> I disabled the index some months ago, because it got corrupt whenever I
> killed the java process while it "refreshed" the index. Seems like windows
> doesn't give it enough time to finish the current jobs when you kill it
> by the taskmanager. This also kills my routing table from time to time,
> so I have to backup it on a regular basis.

Very odd. I'm sure I put in code to regenerate it if it doesn't have the
right number of entries...
> 
> Maybe the node should have some type of button on the fproxy page to do
> a clean shutdown.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-11 Thread Toad
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 02:09:43PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quoting Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Sure, just time how long it takes to start up on a big store a few
> > times, with each of doIndex=true and doIndex=false.
> 
> On Linux, how does a person know that startup is finished?

From the log.
> 
> -todd
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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-11 Thread Someone
Niklas schrieb:
Can you put them on a web server or so? I would like to see what kind of
error that caused the index file corruption.
/N
I disabled the index some months ago, because it got corrupt whenever I
killed the java process while it "refreshed" the index. Seems like windows
doesn't give it enough time to finish the current jobs when you kill it
by the taskmanager. This also kills my routing table from time to time,
so I have to backup it on a regular basis.
Maybe the node should have some type of button on the fproxy page to do
a clean shutdown.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-11 Thread evolution
Quoting Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Sure, just time how long it takes to start up on a big store a few
> times, with each of doIndex=true and doIndex=false.

On Linux, how does a person know that startup is finished?

-todd

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-11 Thread Toad
Sure, just time how long it takes to start up on a big store a few
times, with each of doIndex=true and doIndex=false.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 12:00:49AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:
> Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Any chance of doing some doIndex=true vs doIndex=false benchmarks on
> > different platforms? Can we just set it to false by default?
> 
> I'm happy to volunteer Windows XP SP2 if that is of any help. Always happy to
> help.
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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-09 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Any chance of doing some doIndex=true vs doIndex=false benchmarks on
> different platforms? Can we just set it to false by default?

I'm happy to volunteer Windows XP SP2 if that is of any help. Always happy to
help.



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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-09 Thread Wayne McDougall
Niklas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Shut down the node, delete the 'index' file from the store-folder then
> restart the node. Please let us know if this worked for you? (and please
> make a copy of the logs so we can inspect them later on)

That worked, thank you. My 15 Gb (it had been some days since I last checked)
are back.

I have saved the log files as instructed.

Thank you.



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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-09 Thread Toad
Any chance of doing some doIndex=true vs doIndex=false benchmarks on
different platforms? Can we just set it to false by default?

On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:11:05PM +0200, Niklas wrote:
> Shut down the node, delete the 'index' file from the store-folder then
> restart the node. Please let us know if this worked for you? (and please
> make a copy of the logs so we can inspect them later on)
> 
> Regards
> /N
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne McDougall
> Sent: den 9 oktober 2004 11:19
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.
> 
> Wayne McDougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On checking the environment I see my data store was wiped. 
> > Down from 11+ Gb when
> > I lasted check to less than 700 Mb. 
> 
> Sorry to follow up my own message.
> 
> The data would still seem to be in the folders:
> 
> 13.9 GB (14,976,513,449 bytes) as the size of the files.
> 
> 14.0 GB (15,099,305,984 bytes) as the size on the disk.
> 
> I am running Windows XP SP 2.
> 
> It takes no time at all to "load the datastore" which seems wrong to me:
> 
> Oct 9, 2004 10:12:44 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
> Starting Freenet
> (Fred) 0.5 node, build #5096 on JVM Sun Microsystems Inc.:
> Java HotSpot(TM)
> Client VM:1.4.2_05-b04
> INFO: Native CPUID library
> 'freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.dll' loaded from resource
> INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library
> 
> 'net/i2p/util/jbigi-windows-pentium3.dll' loaded from resource
> 
> Oct 9, 2004 10:12:46 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
> loading node keys: node
> Oct 9, 2004 10:12:46 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
> Read node file
> Oct 9, 2004 10:12:47 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
> starting filesystem
> Oct 9, 2004 10:12:49 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
> loading data store
> Oct 9, 2004 10:12:49 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
> loading routing table
> 
> Freenet now restarts almost instantly - it didn't used to. :-)
> 
> Restarting does not help.
> 
> Rebooting does not help.
> 
> It looks like all the data is there but Freenet doesn't see it anymore.
> 
> Which seems sad to me.
> 
> A bug? Or an upper size limit on number of keys/size of data store?
> 
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RE: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-09 Thread Niklas
Shut down the node, delete the 'index' file from the store-folder then
restart the node. Please let us know if this worked for you? (and please
make a copy of the logs so we can inspect them later on)

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Subject: [freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

Wayne McDougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On checking the environment I see my data store was wiped. 
> Down from 11+ Gb when
> I lasted check to less than 700 Mb. 

Sorry to follow up my own message.

The data would still seem to be in the folders:

13.9 GB (14,976,513,449 bytes) as the size of the files.

14.0 GB (15,099,305,984 bytes) as the size on the disk.

I am running Windows XP SP 2.

It takes no time at all to "load the datastore" which seems wrong to me:

Oct 9, 2004 10:12:44 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
Starting Freenet
(Fred) 0.5 node, build #5096 on JVM Sun Microsystems Inc.:
Java HotSpot(TM)
Client VM:1.4.2_05-b04
INFO: Native CPUID library
'freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.dll' loaded from resource
INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library

'net/i2p/util/jbigi-windows-pentium3.dll' loaded from resource

Oct 9, 2004 10:12:46 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
loading node keys: node
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:46 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
Read node file
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:47 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
starting filesystem
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:49 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
loading data store
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:49 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
loading routing table

Freenet now restarts almost instantly - it didn't used to. :-)

Restarting does not help.

Rebooting does not help.

It looks like all the data is there but Freenet doesn't see it anymore.

Which seems sad to me.

A bug? Or an upper size limit on number of keys/size of data store?


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[freenet-support] Re: Data store wiped - 11 Gb gone.

2004-10-09 Thread Wayne McDougall
Wayne McDougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On checking the environment I see my data store was wiped. 
> Down from 11+ Gb when
> I lasted check to less than 700 Mb. 

Sorry to follow up my own message.

The data would still seem to be in the folders:

13.9 GB (14,976,513,449 bytes) as the size of the files.

14.0 GB (15,099,305,984 bytes) as the size on the disk.

I am running Windows XP SP 2.

It takes no time at all to "load the datastore" which seems wrong to me:

Oct 9, 2004 10:12:44 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
Starting Freenet
(Fred) 0.5 node, build #5096 on JVM Sun Microsystems Inc.:
Java HotSpot(TM)
Client VM:1.4.2_05-b04
INFO: Native CPUID library
'freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.dll' loaded from resource
INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library

'net/i2p/util/jbigi-windows-pentium3.dll' loaded from resource

Oct 9, 2004 10:12:46 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
loading node keys: node
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:46 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
Read node file
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:47 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
starting filesystem
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:49 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
loading data store
Oct 9, 2004 10:12:49 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): 
loading routing table

Freenet now restarts almost instantly - it didn't used to. :-)

Restarting does not help.

Rebooting does not help.

It looks like all the data is there but Freenet doesn't see it anymore.

Which seems sad to me.

A bug? Or an upper size limit on number of keys/size of data store?


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