RE: [freenet-support] Freenet causing crashes...

2004-08-19 Thread Don Gregory
  And yeah, typically 15-20 minutes.  And when I say crash, I 
 mean the 
  whole system powers down.  Goes to a black screen, my monitor shuts 
  down, etc...
 
 That is surely a heat problem.

Yeah, I know that's what it sounds like, but that ain't it.  I finally
got it figured out today.  Apparently, SP2 reset my power-saving
settings in my display properties, so it made my monitor power-down
after 20 minutes.  Man, do I feel foolish!  But in my own defense, I've
had heat-related crashes in the past, and that's the ONLY time my
monitor ever goes into power-down mode, cuz I long ago set it to never
do that.

It WAS kinda puzzling that my monitor would go into power-down mode, yet
my PC's power light would stay on.  Usually during a heat-related crash,
it'd just reboot.  This time, it just sat there with a black monitor.
It struck me as odd, but the screensaver thing didn't occur to me right
away.

Though I appreciate your efforts to help me.  Thanks.  

I may have to quit running it anyway.  It's starting to seem to me that
running a node is a little bigger commitment than your typical P2P
client, and that it's really more appropriate for running on it's own
machine.  I don't know that it'll be practical to keep it up and running
24/7 on my desktop system, as it is now.  But we'll see.  I'll leave it
running overnight tonight and see how things go.  I did some research
today, and did some tweaking to my freenet.ini to try to get things
working a little better.  Time will tell.

Anyway, thanks again.

Don



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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet causing crashes...

2004-08-18 Thread Toad
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:36:21AM -0400, Don Gregory wrote:
 I just recently setup a node, and I'm trying to let it run for a while
 to give it a chance to spread its tendrils so to speak.  I'm at the
 point now where it's had maybe 4-5 hours to run over my 3Mb cable
 connection and I'm STARTING to get a little responsiveness from the
 network.
 
 Problem is, I want to leave it running for several hours to fully
 propagate itself, whatever, but it seems to be gobbling up a LOT of CPU
 power.  Well, not the Freenet executable, but the java engine running
 it.  That by itself wouldn't be a problem, but it seems to be making my
 computer crash.  After leaving it running for 15 minutes or so, my
 computer will spontaneously crash/shut-down.

Hmmm. Your computer has inadequate cooling, most likely. Not our
problem :). No obvious ideas for a workaround... except perhaps enabling
doCPULoad=true in the config file (you're on linux, right? :)).
 
 I tried setting the CPU priority in the config tool to be below normal,
 I tried setting the process priority in Task Manager to be below normal

Hmm, you're not on linux. That rules out that idea.

 for both the javaw.exe and freenet.exe processes, but it's still
 devouring over 90% of my CPU on average, and it's still crashing my
 system after 10-15 minutes.  This really sucks, because it was just
 around NOW that things were starting to get interesting.

15 minutes?! Your system's expected lifetime is pretty low if it crashes
in 15 minutes of 90% CPU usage. Are you sure you don't have major issues
with inadequate cooling?
 
 The system I'm running it on is:
 
 Windows XP Pro, SP2
 Athlon XP 1800+
 768 RAM
 3Mb cable internet connection

The downlink doesn't matter much. The uplink is what matters. 3Mbps
downlink, what's the uplink? 256kbps? 768kbps?

 Windows Binary 5091 version of the Node
 Sun Java 2 Runtime Environment, SE v1.4.2_04
 
 Can anybody help explain what's going on here and how I might fix it?  I
 just recently installed SP 2 for XP, and I know that has a 10-connection
 limit for half-open TCPIP connections, and in the Freenet config

That doesn't cause major problems, according to other reports. In any
case it'll just queue them; it shouldn't cause a crash.

BTW, what exactly do you mean by crashing?

 utility, it says 200 connections, so I was thinking maybe that might
 have something to do with it.  I actually changed that bit of my Windows
 configuration, as 10 is too low.  The TCPIP stack I'm running now allows
 50 half-open connections.  That may still be too low, though, depending
 on just how Freenet's using TCPIP.

Freenet uses 200 OPEN conns, it only opens 50 or so at once - so there
will not generally be more than 50 half-open conns.
 
 So, is there anybody that knows anything about running a node on a SP2
 version of WinXP Pro?  Also, any advice for configuring things for
 optimum performance?  I really have no idea how the Freenet network
 works under the hood, so I really don't have a clue how to tune things
 properly.  Any good n00b resources available that I could look at?
 
 Any help appreciated.  I love the Freenet concept, but it's still a
 little tech-heavy for me to grasp at this stage.
 
 Thanks much,
 Don
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RE: [freenet-support] Freenet causing crashes...

2004-08-18 Thread Don Gregory
Well, the heat thing is the obvious answer, but I don't think that's it.
My CPU temp never goes above 50 degrees celsius, which should be well
within acceptable tolerances.  Plus, I have my case open and a
FULL-SIZE, like cool your whole house sized, fan blowing right into the
case.  I used to have heat problems, but none since I put that fan in
there.

Just to be on the safe-side, I just underclocked my CPU on the MB a few
cycles, so we'll see if that helps stability.

And yeah, typically 15-20 minutes.  And when I say crash, I mean the
whole system powers down.  Goes to a black screen, my monitor shuts
down, etc...  I don't think it's the CPU usage doing it necessarily, cuz
I often run video-editing software set to high priority that runs it at
near 100% all day long without issue.  I just mention the CPU usage
because I wasn't sure if that was normal or not.

My uplink speed is only 256K.  (No premiere service available in my
neighborhood yet)

Memory in the Flaunch.ini was set to default.  I changed it to 256M,
so we'll see what happens.  I'll also upgrade my Java too.  Thought I
was already up to date there, but I guess not.

Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone.  I appreciate it.

Anybody else here have any trouble with Freenet running on XP SP2?  I
know SP2 is still a bit new to most people, and it's a HUGE
service pack, weighing in at over 260M, and it screws with hundreds of
system files, so I'd like to be able to rule that out definitively if
anybody here is using SP2 with Freenet without incident.  There have
been reports of it messing with other pieces of software, so I naturally
assumed this might be a likely suspect.


Don





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 On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 08:36:21AM -0400, Don Gregory wrote:
  I just recently setup a node, and I'm trying to let it run 
 for a while 
  to give it a chance to spread its tendrils so to speak.  I'm at the 
  point now where it's had maybe 4-5 hours to run over my 3Mb cable 
  connection and I'm STARTING to get a little responsiveness from the 
  network.
  
  Problem is, I want to leave it running for several hours to fully 
  propagate itself, whatever, but it seems to be gobbling up a LOT of 
  CPU power.  Well, not the Freenet executable, but the java engine 
  running it.  That by itself wouldn't be a problem, but it 
 seems to be 
  making my computer crash.  After leaving it running for 15 
 minutes or 
  so, my computer will spontaneously crash/shut-down.
 
 Hmmm. Your computer has inadequate cooling, most likely. Not 
 our problem :). No obvious ideas for a workaround... except 
 perhaps enabling doCPULoad=true in the config file (you're on 
 linux, right? :)).
  
  I tried setting the CPU priority in the config tool to be below 
  normal, I tried setting the process priority in Task Manager to be 
  below normal
 
 Hmm, you're not on linux. That rules out that idea.
 
  for both the javaw.exe and freenet.exe processes, but it's still 
  devouring over 90% of my CPU on average, and it's still crashing my 
  system after 10-15 minutes.  This really sucks, because it was just 
  around NOW that things were starting to get interesting.
 
 15 minutes?! Your system's expected lifetime is pretty low if 
 it crashes in 15 minutes of 90% CPU usage. Are you sure you 
 don't have major issues with inadequate cooling?
  
  The system I'm running it on is:
  
  Windows XP Pro, SP2
  Athlon XP 1800+
  768 RAM
  3Mb cable internet connection
 
 The downlink doesn't matter much. The uplink is what matters. 
 3Mbps downlink, what's the uplink? 256kbps? 768kbps?
 
  Windows Binary 5091 version of the Node
  Sun Java 2 Runtime Environment, SE v1.4.2_04
  
  Can anybody help explain what's going on here and how I 
 might fix it?  
  I just recently installed SP 2 for XP, and I know that has a 
  10-connection limit for half-open TCPIP connections, and in the 
  Freenet config
 
 That doesn't cause major problems, according to other 
 reports. In any case it'll just queue them; it shouldn't 
 cause a crash.
 
 BTW, what exactly do you mean by crashing?
 
  utility, it says 200 connections, so I was thinking maybe 
 that might 
  have something to do with it.  I actually changed that bit of my 
  Windows configuration, as 10 is too low.  The TCPIP stack 
 I'm running 
  now allows 50 half-open connections.  That may still be too low, 
  though, depending on just how Freenet's using TCPIP.
 
 Freenet uses 200 OPEN conns, it only opens 50 or so at once - 
 so there will not generally be more than 50 half-open conns.
  
  So, is there anybody that knows anything about running a 
 node on a SP2 
  version of WinXP Pro?  Also, any advice for configuring things for 
  optimum performance?  I really have no idea how the Freenet network

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet causing crashes...

2004-08-18 Thread Toad
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 02:11:40PM -0400, Don Gregory wrote:
 Well, the heat thing is the obvious answer, but I don't think that's it.
 My CPU temp never goes above 50 degrees celsius, which should be well
 within acceptable tolerances.  Plus, I have my case open and a
 FULL-SIZE, like cool your whole house sized, fan blowing right into the
 case.  I used to have heat problems, but none since I put that fan in
 there.
 
 Just to be on the safe-side, I just underclocked my CPU on the MB a few
 cycles, so we'll see if that helps stability.
 
 And yeah, typically 15-20 minutes.  And when I say crash, I mean the
 whole system powers down.  Goes to a black screen, my monitor shuts
 down, etc...  

That is surely a heat problem.

 I don't think it's the CPU usage doing it necessarily, cuz
 I often run video-editing software set to high priority that runs it at
 near 100% all day long without issue.  I just mention the CPU usage
 because I wasn't sure if that was normal or not.

Well, it might cause different CPU usage patterns - use different parts
of the chip, higher overall temp.
 
 My uplink speed is only 256K.  (No premiere service available in my
 neighborhood yet)

:(
 
 Memory in the Flaunch.ini was set to default.  I changed it to 256M,
 so we'll see what happens.  I'll also upgrade my Java too.  Thought I
 was already up to date there, but I guess not.
 
 Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone.  I appreciate it.
 
 Anybody else here have any trouble with Freenet running on XP SP2?  I
 know SP2 is still a bit new to most people, and it's a HUGE
 service pack, weighing in at over 260M, and it screws with hundreds of
 system files, so I'd like to be able to rule that out definitively if
 anybody here is using SP2 with Freenet without incident.  There have
 been reports of it messing with other pieces of software, so I naturally
 assumed this might be a likely suspect.
-- 
Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.


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