Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Paul wrote: > Thanks Warren. > > Before I go home and try this out, does anyone know if the echo patch is > applied to 2009? Yes it is, it's been in since OM2008.12 or so.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: what is mmc1?
Joachim Ott wrote: > http://www.1qaz.de/sdio-1.log.bz2 The one is completely out of the blue :-( > http://www.1qaz.de/sdio-2.log.bz2 In this case, there's a PMU change in the vicinity as well. > A change of charging is close (in term of lines, not in time), but not > in all cases. And it doesn't stop wlan functionality in all cases, > sometimes it contnues shortly after. Oh, so the interrupts recover ? That is interesting. Your device seems to see a lot of activity. Are you moving it around when these things happen ? Also, are there any other anomalities, such as crashes, sudden shutdowns, or battery issues ? - Werner ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
Yorick Moko wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM, arne anka wrote: >>> Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it >>> would be possible. >> >> >> well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a >> freerunner, >> to spur his motivation :-) >> > not a bad idea > but first maybe look around if there are not more promissing programs? You can of course. But I just feel at the moment like supporting navit. -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM, arne anka wrote: >> Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it >> would be possible. > > > well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner, > to spur his motivation :-) > not a bad idea but first maybe look around if there are not more promissing programs? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
Thanks Warren. Before I go home and try this out, does anyone know if the echo patch is applied to 2009? Thanks. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Warren Baird wrote: > I found the message I followed - the suggestion was to basically undo > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/changeset/4968 - I just edited the file, and > changed all of the green lines back to the red lines... > > Warren > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Paul wrote: > >> Can your provide the state file or a link to it? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Warren Baird < >> wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: >> >>> I'm using TR4 - I had to tweak the gsmhandset.state file (as mentioned by >>> someone else in a thread - I can't recall where right now - sorry). >>> Without the tweak I was able to receive calls, but the audio quality was >>> horrible - really bad background buzz. >>> >>> I am using u-boot - I upgraded it probably 6 months ago. Don't recall >>> the version off-hand, but I can check if you need me to. >>> >>> Warren >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Chris Jenks wrote: >>> On Tue, 26 May 2009, Alexander Shulgin wrote: > > Finally it works for me after qi reflash. :) > > -- > Alex I thought it was working too until I got a couple calls. The callers hung up after not being able to hear me at all. Isn't anyone else having this problem? I'm using the latest u-boot, kernel and root in testing, all dated May 21st, on a stock Freerunner, flashed to v11 of the GSM firmware. I suppose I can see if qi fixes it, but every time I try qi I get WSOD. Chris ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist >>> http://www.synergisticimages.ca >>> >>> ___ >>> support mailing list >>> support@lists.openmoko.org >>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Paul >> Email - pault...@gmail.com >> >> There were moments when he looked on evil simply as a mode through which >> he could realize his conception of the beautiful. >> Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray >> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> >> > > > -- > Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist > http://www.synergisticimages.ca > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > -- Paul Email - pault...@gmail.com There were moments when he looked on evil simply as a mode through which he could realize his conception of the beautiful. Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
I found the message I followed - the suggestion was to basically undo http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/changeset/4968 - I just edited the file, and changed all of the green lines back to the red lines... Warren On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Paul wrote: > Can your provide the state file or a link to it? > > Thanks. > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Warren Baird < > wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > >> I'm using TR4 - I had to tweak the gsmhandset.state file (as mentioned by >> someone else in a thread - I can't recall where right now - sorry). >> Without the tweak I was able to receive calls, but the audio quality was >> horrible - really bad background buzz. >> >> I am using u-boot - I upgraded it probably 6 months ago. Don't recall >> the version off-hand, but I can check if you need me to. >> >> Warren >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Chris Jenks wrote: >> >>> >>> On Tue, 26 May 2009, Alexander Shulgin wrote: >>> > >>> > Finally it works for me after qi reflash. :) >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Alex >>> >>>I thought it was working too until I got a couple calls. The callers >>> hung up after not being able to hear me at all. Isn't anyone else having >>> this problem? I'm using the latest u-boot, kernel and root in testing, >>> all >>> dated May 21st, on a stock Freerunner, flashed to v11 of the GSM >>> firmware. >>> I suppose I can see if qi fixes it, but every time I try qi I get WSOD. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> ___ >>> support mailing list >>> support@lists.openmoko.org >>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist >> http://www.synergisticimages.ca >> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> >> > > > -- > Paul > Email - pault...@gmail.com > > There were moments when he looked on evil simply as a mode through which he > could realize his conception of the beautiful. > Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Bounty for Navit delopment - Free freerunner - anyone?
Hello navit community. This idea was brought up at the openmoko mailinglists. I just wanted to ask you guys if this makes sense to you before we proceed. So far this is only a brain fart of me, but if it is worthwhile I would try to push this in the openmoko community. Would it help if the openmoko community sponsors a freerunner to someone who can optimise navit for this device? Navit is by far the most promising and most important app for openmoko, but unfortunately it is very slow and not perfectly prepared to the whole situations. For example I believe it still uses the gpsd emulation instead of the gypsy api and so on... The whole thread is there (Best graphics performance?) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2009-May/thread.html#5440 PS: Please kepp both lists in CC ;-) Tilman Baumann wrote: > > arne anka wrote: >>> Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it >>> would be possible. >> >> >> well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a >> freerunner, >> to spur his motivation :-) > > If that is the fix, count me in as a supporter. > A FR optimised build would be really great. Not just from performance > prospective, but also the right default config for example. > > Maybe we canuse one of these services that allow you to set bounties for > opensource developments... > > -- > MFG > Tilman Baumann > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
> well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner, > to spur his motivation :-) Such "fund-raising" has worked for other OSS projects. In one case, there was a call for sponsors and for a programmer (to add vpn to a firewall)but there were enough sponsors that the original author spoke up and said, well, if 12 people are offering to chip in $50, I can take time off from work to do this. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Bounty for Navit delopment - Free freerunner - anyone?
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Tilman Baumann wrote: > > arne anka wrote: >>> Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it >>> would be possible. >> >> well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner, >> to spur his motivation :-) > > If that is the fix, count me in as a supporter. > A FR optimised build would be really great. Not just from performance > prospective, but also the right default config for example. > > Maybe we canuse one of these services that allow you to set bounties for > opensource developments... http://openmoko.cofundos.org/index.php -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Bounty for Navit delopment - Free freerunner - anyone?
arne anka wrote: >> Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it >> would be possible. > > > well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner, > to spur his motivation :-) If that is the fix, count me in as a supporter. A FR optimised build would be really great. Not just from performance prospective, but also the right default config for example. Maybe we canuse one of these services that allow you to set bounties for opensource developments... -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
> Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it > would be possible. well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner, to spur his motivation :-) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
Yorick Moko wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Sebastian Spaeth > wrote: >> Yorick Moko wrote: >>> it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs >>> to run navit >> >> Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over >> time? Highly unlikely :). Optimizing navit and reducing other apps RAM >> usage will of course help, but I doubt that the distros will make the >> hardware much faster ;P > > :) > no i mean't it doesn't have the hp to run the current version of navit > i would really like to see navit become usable... > > had anyone tried a navigation program under android (andnav?) on the fr? > might be interesting to port it maybe if it works well... Not really. Ok, it works well. But it is tiles based and does routing via a webservice. Therefore it is very dependent on a good internet connection. You can cache tiles, but it is still tiles. I don't like the idea. I would much rather have a vector based program working well. And if you look around, there are a lot around by now for different mobile platforms. I don't think any of these has considerably more horsepower then a FR. A small cheap Satnav (hardware) has probably less power then a FR. But they run well. I'm certain it is doable on a freerunner. Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it would be possible. -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > Yorick Moko wrote: >> it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs >> to run navit > > Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over > time? Highly unlikely :). Optimizing navit and reducing other apps RAM > usage will of course help, but I doubt that the distros will make the > hardware much faster ;P :) no i mean't it doesn't have the hp to run the current version of navit i would really like to see navit become usable... had anyone tried a navigation program under android (andnav?) on the fr? might be interesting to port it maybe if it works well... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Chris Jenks wrote: > > On Tue, 26 May 2009, Alexander Shulgin wrote: >> >> Finally it works for me after qi reflash. :) >> >> -- >> Alex > > I thought it was working too until I got a couple calls. The callers > hung up after not being able to hear me at all. Isn't anyone else having > this problem? Well, I only mean it booted to X. :) I didn't have enough time to check the calls. Firing an SMS worked smoothly, though. -- Alex ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: what is mmc1?
2009/5/27 Werner Almesberger : > Joachim Ott wrote: >> What is mmc1? > > That's your WLAN module. It's strange that it would change from working > (associating) to failing like this (no response to SDIO) within just > two seconds. > > Your log shows the wall charger getting plugged in immediately before > things go wrong. Is this a necessary part of the sequence that repeats > the failure ? This are 2 logfiles from different days: http://www.1qaz.de/sdio-1.log.bz2 http://www.1qaz.de/sdio-2.log.bz2 A change of charging is close (in term of lines, not in time), but not in all cases. And it doesn't stop wlan functionality in all cases, sometimes it contnues shortly after. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
>Optimizing navit and reducing other apps RAM >usage will of course help, but I doubt that the distros will make the >hardware much faster ;P Many years ago I remember taking an operating system that was in its third release and requesting the engineers work very hard on memory optimization. Concentrating on that they reduced the booting and running memory footprint by 50%, and as a consequence the operating system ran programs (on the average) 7% faster. 7% may not sound like much, but it can be the difference between "sluggish" and "o.k." This is part of what makes source code availability and open hardware important, so many people can work on things like performance. md ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
2009/5/27 Yorick Moko > > it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs > to run navit > the problem is that these applications are not optimized for the Freerunner. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
> Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over not necessarily, it's an equation with two terms. since the fr is not likely to change in that respect, navit in turn may -- and to be honest, i certainly hope it will, so far it is unusable as navigation app on the fr and its only advance over tangogps is the use of a comparatively small binary map instead of a huge bunch of tiles. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
Yorick Moko wrote: > it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs > to run navit Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over time? Highly unlikely :). Optimizing navit and reducing other apps RAM usage will of course help, but I doubt that the distros will make the hardware much faster ;P spaetz ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
yup, i'm also struggling with navit, but navigation worked for me 60% of the drive; sometimes it would just lock up and take up to more than a minute to become responsive again; i think it was due to REcalculation of the route (navit thinks for a moment that i'm not on the highway, but on that little road beside it) it's very clear that atm the FR doesn't have the horsepower it needs to run navit btw: that was a test with navit from more than a month ago i think, maybe the new versions improved (i also used a custom skin, so that could also stress the FR even more) y On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:16 AM, wrote: > On May 26, 2009 10:42pm, Sten Kvamme wrote: >> What distro will give the best graphics performance? > > I've been wondering about this, specifically because Navit seems really slow > on SHR or Debian. I'm using a OSM of Germany, although I'd like to have the > whole of Europe covered if it were usable. With just Germany, the FR > struggles to keep up with the car on the motorway. At lower speeds, it just > about manages it. Navigation is a completely impossible, as the extra load > means the graphics just can't keep up. > > Anybody else struggling with Navit? > > Regards > > Jeff > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
