Re: help for newbie
And if you need to know how to launch the apps, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli#FAQ: How do I get to settings? Go to the home-screen (the one with the big clock) and hold the AUX-button pressed for 2 seconds. How do I get Illume? Open settings, click on display and then hit profile (once) and be patient, after some rumbling on the screen you will have the standard illume look with paroli in windowed mode. It may be necessary to reboot or wait a while before this will work. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: there's no incentive i can see to stay with uboot You probably don't have 4 different distros on you SD then ;-) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Tuesday 02 June 2009 13:04:13 Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: there's no incentive i can see to stay with uboot You probably don't have 4 different distros on you SD then ;-) +1 ;) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
2009/6/2 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: there's no incentive i can see to stay with uboot You probably don't have 4 different distros on your SD then ;-) no, i don't. but it doesn't look like it will be long before qi can do multi-boot http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Boot_Menu ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
2009/6/2 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: 2009/6/2 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: there's no incentive i can see to stay with uboot You probably don't have 4 different distros on your SD then ;-) no, i don't. but it doesn't look like it will be long before qi can do multi-boot http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Boot_Menu Quoting from that paragraph: - Therefore Qi does NOT provide a boot menu. This should rather be implemented by a minimal Kernel, initramfs and menu system. Qi will not initialize any video, that's why it needs to boot a mini-kernel which then provides a boot menu where a user can select from which partition he wants to boot. I ask you, what was wrong with u-boot, which already did that without that mini-kernel? It cannot be speeding up the boot-process, because the loading time for Qi or u-boot cannot be much different, and when the kernel is loaded and started, both loaders vanish. I'm sure you can add a kernel cmdline-param -quiet to u-boot too. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
The major reason for Qi's existence is maintainability. U-Boot has a problem with all drivers for different HW being copied from the kernel tree. When the kernel is updated/patched, the fixes don't automagically appear in U-Boot. Qi instead try to do as little as possible to be HW independant. Then you can use a mini-kernel to make a boot menu. In this way you get all the fixes from upstream development without the need of any manual copy/paste and possible further debugging to get it to work. From a strict user perspective, Qi don't give any more features. However it's a lot easier to make new features for Qi, since you can use normal development tools and don't have to learn the U-Boot way. If X is installed for the boot-menu, it can use a lot of eye-candy! (although probably way to heavy) /Micael On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Joachim Ott jo.o...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/2 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: 2009/6/2 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: there's no incentive i can see to stay with uboot You probably don't have 4 different distros on your SD then ;-) no, i don't. but it doesn't look like it will be long before qi can do multi-boot http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Boot_Menu Quoting from that paragraph: - Therefore Qi does NOT provide a boot menu. This should rather be implemented by a minimal Kernel, initramfs and menu system. Qi will not initialize any video, that's why it needs to boot a mini-kernel which then provides a boot menu where a user can select from which partition he wants to boot. I ask you, what was wrong with u-boot, which already did that without that mini-kernel? It cannot be speeding up the boot-process, because the loading time for Qi or u-boot cannot be much different, and when the kernel is loaded and started, both loaders vanish. I'm sure you can add a kernel cmdline-param -quiet to u-boot too. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/6/2 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: there's no incentive i can see to stay with uboot You probably don't have 4 different distros on your SD then ;-) no, i don't. but it doesn't look like it will be long before qi can do multi-boot http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Boot_Menu It's been done already - there was a thread about building the minimal kernel and rootfs, and using it to kexec into the one you really want to boot. Unfortunately that takes up another partition that I just don't have spare due to the kernel limitation on partitions in mmcblk devices, and android's thirst for partitions. This could be worked around too, but as I already have a working uboot setup there doesn't seem much point. I've nothing against Qi, but in my case uboot is the better tool for the job. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: help for newbie, and some python
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009, Robin Paulson wrote:
Where are the apps for this distribution?
there are very few apps installed by default on om2009. you will need
to use opkg to install more, and keep everything up to date. best to
do this over ssh, form your desktop/laptop
bear in mind, that om2009 doesn't have a lot of libraries that your
average distro has, so some of the stuff there only runs on shr, or
some of the other community distros
Is there any obvious way of telling what will and what won't run on om2009?
And my second question: here is a tiny python/gtk program. How do I get it to
run on the Freerunner?
#!/usr/bin/env python
# example base.py
import gtk
class Base:
def __init__(self):
self.window = gtk.Window(gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
self.window.set_title('Hello')
self.window.set_default_size(100,100)
self.window.show()
def main(self):
gtk.main()
if __name__ == __main__:
base = Base()
base.main()
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Re: help for newbie, and some python
2009/6/3 Anthony Winter aw...@sayne.org:
Is there any obvious way of telling what will and what won't run on om2009?
try installing it from the opkg.org repos. if it's been packaged
correctly, and has it's dependencies listed, it will refuse to install
and thrown up errors. in that case, you can either force it to install
ignoring the erros, and hope they're not critical (if you're very
fortunate), track them down from elsewhere (debian, shr, etc.) or
switch to a different distro
And my second question: here is a tiny python/gtk program. How do I get it to
run on the Freerunner?
python is installed by default on om2009, so run it exactly as you
would a python programme on your desktop - there really are no
important difference between that and your neo. so, copy it to
somewhere on the neo (/usr/bin might be good) and then run:
$ python base.py
assuming you have the correct gtk libraries installed, that is
#!/usr/bin/env python
# example base.py
import gtk
class Base:
def __init__(self):
self.window = gtk.Window(gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
self.window.set_title('Hello')
self.window.set_default_size(100,100)
self.window.show()
def main(self):
gtk.main()
if __name__ == __main__:
base = Base()
base.main()
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Re: help for newbie, and some python
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: python is installed by default on om2009, so run it exactly as you would a python programme on your desktop - there really are no important difference between that and your neo. so, copy it to somewhere on the neo (/usr/bin might be good) and then run: $ python base.py OK, good start. But - assuming that it does run from a command line (and I still haven't found a terminal yet, but there must be one somewhere), what are the steps in getting it run by 'clicking' on an icon, in paroli/illume? That's the missing bit... -- Ant ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: help for newbie, and some python
2009/6/3 Anthony Winter aw...@sayne.org: OK, good start. But - assuming that it does run from a command line (and I still haven't found a terminal yet, but there must be one somewhere), what are the steps in getting it run by 'clicking' on an icon, in paroli/illume? That's the missing bit... i assumed you were connected via ssh, and could get at a terminal that way i can't remember if there is a terminal in om2009 or not - i think there is, and it's pretty good. have you discovered illume ie the desktop yet? if not, you might want to go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli#FAQ specifically, how do i get illume? where all your questions will be answered the wiki is great, have search - there's mountains of useful info there ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
