Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation
well, there's probably a lot of people finding _your_ message both unneccessary and offensive! - you hijackd a thread completely unrelated to vent your individual frustration insdtead of respecting the request of the op - you tried to force your personal opinion about the state of om on everybody, completely ignoring that the people still active an the list very likely think otherwise - you claim to be the one who after a long time of joint self-deception finally speaks the truth -- which is both materially and factually nonsense. the discussion about om being a failure or not is recurrent and monitoring silently the list for month now after a rather lively interest before, i think i safely can say, that those people still active completely disagree with you (certainly the op, which you regarded with such contempt, does) if whath you posted is your honest opnion, you are free to move on and leave. if you think you have new points to make about om's state and future, you are free to open your own thread -- but, please, check the archives before ... Sorry if I offended you, Dr Schaller. However, I respectfully suggest that you look up the word rant in a dictionary before using it. I found your message offensive. Nick From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org To: Support for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 9:17:11 AM Subject: Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation Hi Nick, it must be said that your rant does not help at all to answer the original support question. Hi Rijul, please check that your downloaded image is not corrupted. You can download and compare it with our copy which we have used successfully an uncounted number of times: http://download.goldelico.com/gta02/Moko11/ You must also flash the image on the flat memory card (e.g. /dev/sdb) and not into a partition (and not /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb2). To boot from NOR flash, press the AUX button and then power on. The boot menu should appear within a second. Choose boot from SD (ext). Hope this helps, Nikolaus Am 19.03.2011 um 07:53 schrieb halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com: You know, folks, I think it's time to admit that the Openmoko project was a failure, and move on. It was a great idea and a lot of us supported it with our money as well as our time, but the device as eventually sold was poorly designed and badly implemented. Even the people who bought it after several rounds of hardware bug-fixes got a clunky device with pathetic battery-life. Since the hardware is crap, it's not surprising that software developers didn't exactly flock to it. Trying to make it usable is flogging a dead horse. The nearest thing we will get to an open cellphone will probably be something made by Samsung, Motorola, or one of the other big consumer-device companies, running Android. I don't want to offend people, but I think it's time somebody came out and said this. If you want to put your time and effort into Free Software, then pick a platform that has a future. Your time and effort are valuable even if you don't get paid for them; don't waste them. Nick From: Rijul Jain cyberl...@gmail.com To: support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 5:43:27 AM Subject: Login screen on firmware upgradation Hey, i recently got a neo free runner and wanted to upgrade the firmware to openmoko 11 so i downloaded the image , wrote it on my uSD card and tried to boot it from the phone . It boots up file but after 2 mins , a Green Coloured Angstrom screen came and it is stuck at om-gta02 login :_ its been stuck there for hours and i dont know what to do Anyhelp would be appreciated . Thanks -- Rijul Jain ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- -- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Display not working
so far your descriptions are not really helpful. you see the openmoko logo but then nothing happens? then there's neither a problem with the display nor the backlight, but with your X. please describe _exactly_ what happens from powering on the freerunner until the moment the problem occurs and describe in detail the problem! Yes. In a backlight, I am able to see Openmoko symbol but display is not working.. Thanks. -Original Message- From: support-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:support-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Timo Juhani Lindfors Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:25 PM To: Support for Openmoko Device Owners Subject: Re: Display not working Harshil Anil Kumar Shah harshil_s...@infosys.com writes: My Openmoko neo freerunner display is not working. Not even in NOR u-boot? Is it just the backlight? (Can you see screen contents if you use a flashlight and watch carefully?) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Display not working
Now even I am not able to ssh on FR via my laptop. So I can not run any of the command on FR. remove the battery, wait a few minutes, put it back in and restart. what happens? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Display not working
http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html isn't there an equivalent for smart answers? most of the 12 mails were caused by people just throwing in their 2c w/o requesting further information. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Neo Freerunner Display Broken
from your description, it could be the connector or cable connecting display and board. you could try to open the fr and check, if the connector still sits firmly. btw: i guess it's better to write to commun...@om, no idea how many people still read supp...@om. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Making debian the default boot
Thanks for your thoughts. The problem with using Qi is that it can only go into NAND which still means you have to push the Aux button when you boot (and a 2nd time if there are file check errors). huh? where did you get that from? qi tries to boot all sd partitions and falls back to nand if no sd partition has a kernel. pleased read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi qi _is_ the solution for your scenario. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Problem on starting zhone on debian distribution.
after few tries zhone eventually starts working. known issue. maybe related to dbus timeouts, very likely related to fso needing some time to settle after start. neil jerram posted recently a few patches to remedy that at least in zhone (running through a loop until successful), somewhat working. see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-December/058431.html in the same thread a few mails up i posted a link to debs for dbus with an increased timeout. My sim is not pin protected. the same scenario neil successfuly deployed his patches against. download all three at the above url, apply and be happy. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: need sugestions
i still have 1 qustion how can i write files to FR throw the ssh what are the commands? tnx again for your time please, always quote only the really necessary parts! as for writing files: depends on your definition of writing. once you are via ssh on the fr, you can use vim, nano, emacs, whatever just like in another terminal. if you mean transfering files to the fr, your friend is scp which is to be used _parallel_ to ssh, ie instead of ssh us sue scp just like cp: scp foo.bar r...@192.168.0.202:/tmp/ will copy the file foo.bar to the freerunner into the /tmp directory. i guess, most graphical file mangers will support the fish protocol, which enables you to treat the fr just like another storage device. in the manager's (konqueror, dolphin) addressbar type fish://r...@192.168.0.202/tmp/ and you should see the contents of that folder. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: need sugestions
ifdown usb0 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 up route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev usb0 for ubuntu, prefix every line with sudo. the wiki page lists _all_ of the above! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking please a) read the wiki and b) post useful and complete error messages. you never answered, what device was using 192.168.0.202 already nor gave really useful information so far! for windows as ssh client you are probably best off with putty. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: need sugestions
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:14:2a:a9:4d:fb inet addr:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255 here's something wrong already. a) eth0 should not have address 192.168.0.200 (for the purpose of easy access to the fr, that is) and b) specifically not, when everything is disconnected usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr d2:d8:e1:48:cd:a2 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:39 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:5321 (5.1 KB) usb0:avahi Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr d2:d8:e1:48:cd:a2 inet addr:169.254.9.209 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 eth0 retains the ip and usb0 does not get any. in theory you need the two first commands i posted now (ifdown usb0 and ifconfig), in praxi it wouldn't help much since it most likely clashes with your existing network configuration. here im trying to add a new route : sudo route add-host 192.168.0.202 dev usb0 hardly probable to work -- usb0 has no ip. you did not do ipdown/ifconfig. there are some serious issues with your network configuration (from the point of fr networking at least), which need to be solved first. theoretically, you could circumvent them by using another mask and iptables and stuff. what's for the moment is mots important, is to figure out why eth0 uses 192.168.0.200 and why it does retain the ip even when disconnected (by which i mean cable being unplugged). most lilkly avahi is guilty ... please, check the necessary tools for the configured network properties (there should be some tools with graphic user interface available, if everything fails, post the content of /etc/network/interfaces) and figure out, what ip range your router uses. furthermore, check if the software on your fr contains an text editor. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: connection between Freerunner and openSUSE 11.2
tbh, i never really was happy mit nm or any intelligent automatism trying to manage the connection to the fr. nm usually is overcharged with the concept of _multiple_ network interfaces being up and connected at the sam time and produces spretty much a mess. your best bet is to handle it by yourself, using /etc/network/interfaces (be aware, taht suse since its earliest times refuse to use sensible and widely used mechanisms, but forces you to use that horrible yast!) my /etc/network/interfaces looks like below # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback allow-hotplug usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 post-up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 post-up echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward post-up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT ## The primary network interface ## network-manager stupidly seems to use the last defined connection allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp relevant is the usb0 stanza (i modified the udev rule to retain the device usb0, per default it should be ethX, probably eth1 on your box). in theory, nm should ignore any device explicitely configured in the file above, but in praxi it usually fails, check /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf for the entry [ifupdown] managed=false to (hopefully) force nm to ignore those devices in /etc/network/interfaces. this works on a debian/unstable. if suse does not allow this kind of configuration (yast creates its own little world), try yast and configure there manually the necessary information. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: need sugestions
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:23:01 +0100, Iurii y...@reverseenterprises.com wrote: Davide wrote: On Friday 20 November 2009 10:34:25 Iurii wrote: Then: ssh 192.168.0.200 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused You're trying to ssh your own machine. Default FR IP is 192.168.0.202 opss you are right silly i am:) ssh r...@192.168.0.202 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host what does this mean ? you still miss the route route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev usb0 as per http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking check the wiki page and adjust your setup accordingly. when i've tried to ping 192.168.0.202 PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data From 169.254.3.145 icpm_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable From 169.254.3.145 icpm_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable From 169.254.3.145 icpm_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable etc ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: need sugestions
well, let's start with the output of netstat -rn and then, check, if ssh is running at all on the freerunner -- i can't imagine the fr to be without a terminal emulator, even out of the box. last, but not least, check your firewall etc. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: need sugestions
Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 192.168.0.202 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 0 usb0 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 where does that come from? _202_ has to be the freerunner -- ie no interface on your host and now other device in your network is allowed to have that ip. if you already assigned some other device that ip, you will not be able to reach the fr. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: problem with wakeup from sleep by the incoming call
if your debian really is up to date, your frameworkd.conf isn't. your description matches an issue i had with gsmwhatevermuxer instead of fso-abyss. it might as well be related to using the deprecated ousaged instead of the newer fso-usaged (both still the default afaik if not set otherwise in frameworkd.conf). here's a frameworkd.conf known to work: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/2009-October/002027.html for the newer fso-usaged (needs libgee2, in repo after october 22nd) you need to change the fsousage.controller line accordingly: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fso-maint/2009-October/002128.html ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: MP3 'capable' [was: Meida player.]
an answer, so don't rely on anything you see here. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues well, wikipedia is neither a trustworthy source, particularly with such an issue. the source refered to ([42]) does not cite any kind of reliable information, it only presumes: seems to be tolerated by the patent holders. not being sued until now is now guarantee whatsoever it won't happen at all -- there have been several patent infringment law suits years and years after the alleged infringment started and the patent holder got whiff of it. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: SHR headphones not detecting
there are two possible explanations: - you have to push in the headphone plug harder to actually connect -- hearing only in one earphone usually is a sign for that - you needt to plug in _after_ establishing the call. not sure, how a) shr handles that and b) if fso did fix it -- but with debian i frequently experienced that the state file was switched only after establishing a communication, ie when calling or accepting with the headphones already plugged in, the state would nevertheless siwtch to handset, i had to unplug and replug the headphones to make the state switch correctly. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Problems flashing Neo Freerunner
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:09:25 +0200, Tim Sterk t...@tim-sterk.nl wrote: I've tried the image which is on the website: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz I've put it on my MicroSD card using the following instructions found on the openmoko site: sudo dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/mmcblk0 - did you try to download that archive again and compare the images? - after doing dd you should be able to simply mount the sd card, is that possible and can you browse the directories? - what kind of bootloader are you using (qi, u-boot, if uboot from nand or nor?) and which version? - how exactly did you boot (which button pressed how and how long)? - can you boot from another sd card? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support I've downloaded the image multiple times, every time results in the same error. it wpould probably have been much easier, if you just had _compared_ the images, as i wrote above. I'm not able to mount the sd card, because mount asks me the filesystem type, which I don't know. iirc the image consists of two partitions. so, check with fdisk and try again. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: sd card?
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Unable to open /dev/mmcblk0 The same just hit me when I installed SHR-U on my sd card (8gb kingston). It worked for a little while, and then I started getting I/O errors. Any hints on how to fix the partition table on the card, and what to do to not let it happen again? Does it only happen when you boot from the card? there's the well known clock boot param and the qi wiki page lists in its append-file example a slow sd card parameter. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Problems flashing Neo Freerunner
Thanks for your help, any chance, you'd tell us, _what_ you do exactly? from your description it is rather hard to infer your steps. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Problems flashing Neo Freerunner
I've tried on different computersystems (all ubuntu 9.04). Tried using different MicroSD card. Tried different flash images and different distributions. and i guess, you tried to tell us something? what in exactly didn't you understand? if you really want help, make it possible to help you by giving detailed information instead of general statements like those cited above. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Problems flashing Neo Freerunner
No flaming needed, this is the SUPPORT list. You know, newbies welcome? which means: newbie == unable to read? if you call requesting _usefull_ information instead of it does not work flaming, so be it. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Problems flashing Neo Freerunner
I've tried the image which is on the website: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz I've put it on my MicroSD card using the following instructions found on the openmoko site: sudo dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/mmcblk0 - did you try to download that archive again and compare the images? - after doing dd you should be able to simply mount the sd card, is that possible and can you browse the directories? - what kind of bootloader are you using (qi, u-boot, if uboot from nand or nor?) and which version? - how exactly did you boot (which button pressed how and how long)? - can you boot from another sd card? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: sd card?
I think it's the original bootloader. my shot in the dark would be, you've been bitten by the old sd-clock bug (or whatever the official name is -- has been too long since). afaik it has been fixed long ago, but who knows what may have triggered it again? wouldn't hurt, at least, to check. search the archives (and the wiki i guess) for sd clock. iirc doing echo 1000 /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk should fix that -- if you can mount sd afterwards, that's it. there's a param to the same effect for u-boot. if it is really the bootloader, the fr came with, upgrading would be a good idea anyway. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: sd card?
I can't access my SD card. kernel, distribution, bootloader, bootloader version? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Manually change settings.
2009? isn't it fso based? auto suspend should be triggered by a rule in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml i guess. you would then need to disable that rule and either try mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.oeventsd /org/freesmartphone/Events org.freesmartphone.Events.ReloadRules or restart fso. there's a method to remove a rule, but it requires the rule's name -- and there's apparently no method to list all rules and in rules.yaml there's no names. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Manually change settings.
Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have 2008.8. But plan to install SHR soon. I am having trouble connecting via ssh in Ubuntu 9.04. Not sure what the problems is. Things worked flawlessly in Ubuntu 8.04. you don't need ssh to install 2009. just get the image and flash. i don't think, it is a good idea to invest much time and effort into 2008. I assume that editing rules.yaml is the same in 2008.8 as you descibed for 2009? nope. 2008 has nothing to do with fso. don't know, how 2008 does auto suspend, but maybe http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 helps? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Freerunner won't boot: dies in uboot
Okay, I don't have the wall charger What may work is this: - press and hold AUX - insert USB power (from a PC) - when the menu comes up, select Power off This should leave the PMU in charging mode. hey! that's quite interesting. could someone put that into the wiki, probably on some kind of first aid page? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Freerunner won't boot: dies in uboot
off. I'm waiting on a new wall charger; if that doesn't work, I'll just get another battery. simply usb is still sufficient, only it takes longer. plug in, let it alone for the night and boot up next day. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Freerunner won't boot: dies in uboot
i say, the battery is flat -- your symptoms perfectly match. plug in the wallcharger, let it sit for a while (1h at least) and try again. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Problems to configure openmoko bridge with ubuntu
have you got wicd installed? it's a replacement for the endlessly sucky network-manager (or something like that). it's a drop-in, no need to change any config, but it makes things so much easier, and it's in the ubuntu repos. i'd recommend that, and then come back if things aren't fixed. even if it doesn't sort your problem, i'd suggest using it my experience is: wicd sucks royally! and recommending to change a most likely unrelated piece of software is probably not going to help much. for the op: what exactly did you do? is the name server set correctly (check /etc/resolv.conf on the fr)? does pinging an ip (not a name) work? try ping 193.99.144.80 that's the ip of heise.de, a german news portal. if it works, name resolution is broken, copy yout host's /etc/resolv.conf to the fr. for normal forwarding i got in my host's /etc/network/interfaces auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 post-up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 post-up echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward post-up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT check the logs, if error messages are displayed or simply try iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT and see if messages are printed. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: No space left on device
- to bood from the SD in QT, but it is failing also (trying to mount /var/something ) and stops you could mount the sd card in your pc and modify the fstab of qt, to mount only from sd. besides that, i would have expected it to mount /var ... to tmpfs, not nand (or any physical storage at all). for a minimal system, using the sd card image created to flash the firmware could help -- i think, it starts sshd, too. if you didn't flash the newer calypso firmware, it could be done now, and if you flashed already, it doesn't harm. if you don't like it, you could remove the startup script from (probably) /et/init.d/ and boot from the sd card then. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [om2009-r4] Warren's Settings Worked for Me (was Re: Om2009 testing release 4)
I've still seen varying opinions on these mailing lists ranging from 'only 5% of people need the buzz fix' to 'everyone with an A5 or A6 needs the buzz fix'. they're not really varying -- it's like learning to swim: if you are absolutely sure, you'll never get into deep water, there's no need to spend time learning how to swim. but if you're unsure, you better do it. it's the same with the buzz fix: if you don't experience it and if you are absolutely sure, the location and conditions your fr works under will never change, no need to fix. technically, though, the buzz is there and you might experience it when you expect it the least. so, if you got the opportunity to get the fix applied, use it -- better safe than sorry. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: om2009 GPS
it seems that this path doesn't exist check that gps chip is online (echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron) the file neo1973-pm-gps.0 does not exist and cannot be created. find /sys -name \*gps\* When I start tango gps it says gps not found. I wonder if this is because I installed gpsd. fso-gpsd. fso-gpsd exposes an gpsd compatible interface to legacy applications and handles both communication with fso and request of the gps resource. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
freerunner, they're not optimized at all. Period. that's certainly true -- but if you write your app for a commonly used desktop pc it is rather a matter of effort/result relationship how much energy one spends on optimization. the estimated improvements are probably not worth mentioning, so one rather goes for other tasks. that's why i proposed to give away a freerunner, so the developer might actually see optimization make a difference, boosting his spirits ... ;-) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
Sure. I would only like to use it to track commitment. Because I don't want to buy the phone all by my self. i don't know how cofundos works (needs some kind of registration probably, which i am averse to), so no way i would register commitment there. but when the share falls below 100€ i am all yours. maybe one of the buzz fixers, who got freerunners over are interested in selling an fr (kind of a two-birds-one-stone situation)? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over not necessarily, it's an equation with two terms. since the fr is not likely to change in that respect, navit in turn may -- and to be honest, i certainly hope it will, so far it is unusable as navigation app on the fr and its only advance over tangogps is the use of a comparatively small binary map instead of a huge bunch of tiles. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Best graphics performance?
Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it would be possible. well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner, to spur his motivation :-) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: OpenMoko beginner
First of all, I didn't succeed to make Wifi to work. wouldn't that mean, it _is_ invulnerable? *scnr* ok, first of all, please prefix the subjects of your mails _always_ with the distribution concerned ([debian], [2008.x], [2009.x], ...). secondly: - what distribution are you using? - what kernel? - did you check the archives? there are several threads regarding wifi being broken, often with a distribution/kernel combination emerging, that seems to work - you can access taht ap via other linux devices? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [debian] python broken; no input
a lot of searching later ... a) python is mostly broken -- as far as i can see, every python apps missed modules and is unable to import them. seems i can work around that by setting PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/:/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/gtk-2.0 but i am not sure if i catch all cases with that -- and with the crucial role python plays on the fr, it is really a showstopper. seems like debian bug #516463, at least it helped: $ file /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/python-support.pth /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/python-support.pth: broken symbolic link to `../../pymodules/python2.5/.path' fixing that broken link seems to do the trick. b) still the frameworkd needs several seconds if not minutes to respond to what request ever, which makes zhone time out several times not sure, if related, but zhone was able again to connect, authenticate and do all things funny. c) i can't click buttons anymore. although the cursor moves with my stylus and jumps to where i tap -- buttons, checkboxes ... do not receive clicks and thus nothing is usable related to evdev, it seems. reenabling libgtkstylus and fixing an fdi file for the touchpad according to http://gentoo.mindzoo.de/index.cgi/wiki/X made everything work again. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
[debian] python broken; no input
hi, yesterday i rebooted the fr again after several weeks and it immediately turned out to be the wrong thing. system is an up-to-date debain/unstable, most notably - python2.5 2.5.4-1 - fso-frameworkd 0.8.4.9-20090130-3 Package: xserver-xorg Version: 1:7.4+1 -- Package: xserver-xorg-core Version: 2:1.6.0-1 -- Package: xserver-xorg-input-evdev Version: 1:2.2.1-1 -- Package: xserver-xorg-input-kbd Version: 1:1.3.2-3 -- Package: xserver-xorg-input-mouse Version: 1:1.4.0-2 -- Package: xserver-xorg-input-tslib Version: 0.0.5-8 -- Package: xserver-xorg-video-fbdev Version: 1:0.4.0-4 a) python is mostly broken -- as far as i can see, every python apps missed modules and is unable to import them. seems i can work around that by setting PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/:/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/gtk-2.0 but i am not sure if i catch all cases with that -- and with the crucial role python plays on the fr, it is really a showstopper. i hope, with all these snake charmers out there someone will come up with a viable solution or some hints, how to solve that. b) still the frameworkd needs several seconds if not minutes to respond to what request ever, which makes zhone time out several times c) i can't click buttons anymore. although the cursor moves with my stylus and jumps to where i tap -- buttons, checkboxes ... do not receive clicks and thus nothing is usable atm the fr is unusable and since it is my sole phone, it is a bit urgent ;-) -- so, any help is highly appreciated! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Entering the PIN for a SIM card
Yes, and nothing happened. Then I tried to double-tap on the assembled digits, and that worked... good lord, what usabilty genius created that? to begin with, everybody aroudnyou can read your pin and then, you stay there and tap the screen in the faint hope it might work somehow? and, just out of curiosity, what do you do when you need to correct a typo? the screenshot shows not delete or backspace or so. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Entering the PIN for a SIM card
ah, i think i understand -- it's textfield for the pin and the standard (predictive) keyboard. well, i don't thinkl that's a good team. passowrd and pin shoudl then have their own keyboards. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Bluetooth busted (Was: [HW] Ear phones with microphone, for hands-free calling?)
of the pool. I put my phone (plus stand alone charger, gps antenna, 4G card w/ reader spare battery) up on Ebay shortly after my group mailing a couple months ago. so, what are you doing here anyway? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [HW] Ear phones with microphone, for hands-free calling?
external in-ear head set that also features a microphone be a good thing to have for this device. afaik the package included a wired headset too. I mean, there is already a 2.5mm socket for an ear phone, but I know neither of such a head set (although there should be some in the market), resellers of the fr do imo offer the matching headset. for other see either the archives or the wiki. there have been lengthy discussions about working headsets and pinouts months ago and i think, someone has compiled that information into a wiki article. nor do I know whether the FR can distinguish whether it has only an ear phone or an ear phone with a microphone plugged in (and then use that for recording voice). should depend on the pin. microphone, right? We have a hands-free-while-driving law in Germany, too... sure, but i am not sure, if handsfree equals headset. at least headphones are forbidden (even for bicycles, but nobody cares). ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [HW] Ear phones with microphone, for hands-free calling?
afaik the package included a wired headset too. mine didn't, and afaik, the offered headset does not include a microphone. the included has, see below. resellers of the fr do imo offer the matching headset. ... w/o a microphone. _with_ microphone, that's why it is called head_set_ not just headphone. at least pulster offers it separately http://www.pulster.de/index.htm?openmoko.htm ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [gentoo] zhone
- configure zhone to write to a log file (see the first lines of /usr/bin/zhone or the archives) - look at X.org.log - look at ~/.xsession-errors do you experience similar issues with other apps too? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
[debian] locale.gen fails
just noticed that somehow my locales are gone. when trying to recreate them, locale.gen ends up with Generating locales (this might take a while)... en_DK.UTF-8...cannot map archive header: Invalid argument done en_US.UTF-8...cannot map archive header: Invalid argument done Generation complete. and no locales are available. locale -a as root C POSIX as normal user locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory C POSIX any hints? i so far found only reports of this porblem but no answer at all. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner crashes after 10 minutes using GPS
Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: please! do _NOT_ crosspost! keep your postings to _ONE_ list only! and those who answer: please, have a look at the reply-addresses and remove unnecessary addresses. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: SD Card read/write errors and NSOD
any chance you keep that on the support list only? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Palm/PDA Content on FreeRunner
ACCESS has published an emulator, running palmos apps. one of the bigger companies licensed it and distribute it with their smartphones/tablets -- i am not sure, but it might be nokia and maemo. anyway, i asked w long time ago if access is going to make that thing avalibale to other linux based smartphones too, but only got the ususal bla about watching the development. ps: yepp, nokia -- see http://www.intomobile.com/2007/11/13/access-releasing-palm-os-garnet-emulator-for-nokias-internet-tablets.html but i never heard anything about how it went. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [debian/fso]: time stuck at suspend after resume
Does hwclock also show the correct date? hwclock otoh shows the correct time. Which kernel version are you running? 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 At least the andy-tracking branch suffers from this bug: i don't think it is the same bug. i repeat again: - hwclock always shows correct time - date seems to stop counting when suspending and to start again on resume, thus, if suspended 2 hours, date is 2 hours behind hwclock ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
[debian/fso]: time stuck at suspend after resume
when i resume the fr, the time zhone shows (and the date command) is the one when the fr suspended (ie, suspending the fr at 16:43 and resuming at 20:14, zhone and date bot show 16:43) -- hwclock otoh shows the correct time. i experienced it sometimes before, but the last two days it happens on every suspend/resume cycle. is it a known issue, easily fixed by a configuration correction or is it a bug to be reported -- in this case, to whom? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Help! GSM not working after updating to Moko10
Something along these lines should work: - boot into NOR - connect to the u-boot console on ttyACM* - dynpart - dynenv set u-boot_env - saveenv - try to boot from NAND. If this doesn't work, boot again from NOR and DFU a new u-boot, then boot from NAND again - DFU kernel and rootfs You can also do the devirgination procedure with the debug board, but the NOR approach is less painful. somebody please put that into the wiki, next to the devirginator stuff? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [debian/fso] 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 weird jiffs2 messages in dmesg
It seems that it takes a long long while to mount the jffs2 partition you have. The first thing CPU 0 stall is just a comment that you seem to be stuck for two minutes, then the second thing is a diagnostic talking about what you are stuck on. It seems you are stuck on mounting the jffs2 partition. Lastly the jffs2 warning about summaries... IIRC this is to do with how the jffs2 filesystem image was composed when it was built there was something about slow mount and broken summaries when the jffs2 image was created with wrong block size as I recall. ok ... so, what to do about it? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [debian/fso] 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 weird jiffs2 messages in dmesg
Dunno what you can do about it, but the guy who owns the process for generating the jffs2 image for Debian may get a hint from this to change how he generates it. jffs2 mount should be a few seconds not 120. oh, that's no flashed image or so. it is the jiffs the fr came with. months ago i deleted everything and copied my files over (the most crucial parts of debian: /sbin/ /lib/ ...) from teh sd install. with 2.6.24 i have never seen those errors. wouldn't that rather be some kernel (2.6.28) related problem? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [debian/fso] 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 weird jiffs2 messages in dmesg
Maybe, but the actual error here is to do with the format of the jffs2 partition. It can be broken in kernel but I think we would have heard about it before, 2.6.28 is old now in kernel terms. well, so the best i can do is backup my data and recreate/reformat the jiffs2 fs in flash -- with which parameters exactly? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Problem in Compiling Kernel Module for Openmoko
CHK include/linux/version.h
/bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
/bin/sh: -c: line 0: `echo 2.6.29-GTA02_(no-mokodev
at a first glance. i'd say, the ( in the echo has to be escaped:
`echo 2.6.29-GTA02_\(no-mokodev
but i don't know how the line continues ...
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[debian] openmoko-panle-plugin does not store settings correctly
since opp 0.9-1 of debian does not work correctly with the current available framework i downloaded panel-plugin-20090212_src.tar.bz2 and built my own deb. opp works again well so far, but i notice that at least the settings for vibration at activation are ignored. i just unchecked every box related to notifications and vibrations, but the ~/.panel-pluginrc nevertheless shows True at all entries (although having the timestamp Feb 15 21:55, ie something changed). btw: wouldn't the .panel-pluginrc be better placed in ~/.config? instead of ~/? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [OM2008.12] How to fix Echo problem?
I'm using the FSO distro. Unfortunately the file unsolicited.py (which the link suggests to be edited) does not exist on my OM. In the tree /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py I get as far as /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages but then the framework folder does not exist. at my debian/fso it is at /usr/share/python-support/fso-frameworkd/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py And using: find / -name *modem* Gives me this: /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqtopiaphonemodem.so.4.3.2 /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqtopiaphonemodem.so.4 /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqtopiaphonemodem.so.4.3 that does not look like fso. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [QT] Alsa states..
the state files should be identical for all distributions -- fetch either an opkg or a deb and extract them. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [FSO] Wifi in M5 no longer functioning
eth0:avah Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8F:33:91 inet addr:169.254.6.255 Bcast:169.254.255.255 It seems to look like it's connected nope. it's not. the ip address shown is a generic one, assigned by avahi in absence of a real one. i don't know, what you did to obtain an association with tha ap and an ip subsequnetly, but iwlist scan is not giong to o that. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [FSO] Wifi in M5 no longer functioning
What about eth0? inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8f:3391/64 same thing basically, though probably not assigned by avahi but something random (do you use ipv6 at home? does the fr kernel support ipv6 at all?) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [debian] navit
I couldn't find any either so I built my own with http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/navit.txt well, at least the conversion to debian structure is an unnecessary step -- the navit page links to two repos holding navit (for x86, though) with diff/dsc/orig.tar.gz. you need to modify the configure call in debian/rules to disable all taht unneeded stuff (wince, floating points), but after that it's pretty straight forward. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Took my FR apart and there is a bit left over after putting it back together ...
you're a better man, than i am, gunga din! i'd say it fits he aux button contact. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [debian/fso] pyphonelog crashes on start, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied
i inserted allow send_requested_reply=true send_type=method_call/ into /etc/dbus-1/system.conf as proposed in the zhone/gsm/dbus thread and now it works again. any hints what exactly is happening? this dbus rights management is far to complex for me ... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [debian/fso] pyphonelog crashes on start, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied
I suggest you (and everyone not using root) * copy (not move) /etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/my-frameworkd.conf * remove every line that talks about allow own... * change user=root to your user in every case. forgot to mention, i did that already but independently and before seeing this problem. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Experiences with GTA02 and OM2008.12 (was part of the Brick thread)
wolfgang, could you put that in the wiki, together with the statements regarding the buzz fix, for further reference? (Allegations, Accusations and Rumors or so) it would help a lot to stop needless complaints jamming the lists ... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: OpenMoko + Exchange
two things: - what about those maemo guys? don't they create something like that already? besides the gui the relevant parts should be in some kind of library which should ne portable, shouldn't it? - re evolution: the same thing applies. shouldn't be the relevant parts in a library and thus only a new gui be necessary? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: battery on Qtopia 4.4.2
About QT Extended. Anyone experiencing the Echo Bug? Is there a resolution to it without turning down the volume? well, it's not a battery related question anymore ... anyway. there have been postings over time and one just recently, taht several people incorporated the nedded at commands in the code and re-built the library, incl a link where to download. searching for qtopia|qtextended+echo in the mails of the last three or four weeks should turn up the most recent posting. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: battery on Qtopia 4.4.2
with debian/fso when using suspend i get usually 48 to 72 hours standby time (but i very seldom make or receive calls). anyway, even qtopia should have suspend, or am i wrong here? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [Om2008.12] No sound on phonecalls
Any progress/information on this? It's still an issue here... did you check the state file currently used when this occurs? i would imagine that simply the state change mechanism failed -- but also it could be that sound itself broke down ... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: X-font
Does someone know of any large X-font, large enough to be readable on the neo 300 dpi screen? ??? nowadays fonts are ususally scalable. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
[FSO]: zhone patch for reading vcf instead of sim. was: Re: Once a whiner
here it is.
the code looks for addressbook.vcf in the user's $HOME and reads it in.
multiple numbers per contact are supported.
in /usr/bin/zhone search for
class pyphone_contacts(edje_group):
and find some lines below
def prepare( self ):
and modify like below (be aware of unintentional linebreaks!)
def prepare( self ):
if not self.ready and not self.busy:
file = open(os.environ.get('HOME')+/addressbook.vcf, r)
entries = []
entry_nr = 1
name = None
number = None
for line in file:
#if line.startswith(END:VCARD):
if line.startswith(TEL;):
number = unicode(line.partition(:)[2].strip())
if name and number:
entry = entry_nr, name, number
entries.append(entry)
entry_nr = entry_nr + 1
if line.startswith(END:VCARD):
name = None
number = None
if line.startswith(N:):
name = unicode(line.partition(:)[2].replace(';','
').strip(), utf8, utf8)
#if line.startswith(TEL;):
#number = unicode(line.partition(:)[2].strip())
file.close()
self.cbPhonebookReply(entries)
if dbus_object.gsm_device_obj:
logger.info( retrieving phonebook... )
dbus_object.gsm_sim_iface.RetrievePhonebook(
contacts,
reply_handler=self.cbPhonebookReply,
error_handler=self.cbPhonebookError
)
self.busy = True
else:
# Fake phonebook...
self.cbPhonebookReply( [
(1, u'Kirk', '+023224433'),
(2, u'Spock', '+034433463'),
(3, u'McCoy', '+013244344'),
(4, u'Scott', '+013244344'),
(5, u'Uhura', '+013244344'),
(6, u'Sulu', '+013244344'),
(7, u'Chekov', '+456663443'),
] )
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Re: [all distros] auto-login to hot spots that use web-based login
can anyone explain if there is a way to connect to a wifi point that uses a web-based username and password, without using my browser? wget? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Dictonary Software
look for ding. it's the same database as http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/ and works either as cli program or with a simple x interface, i wouldn't be surprised if it is in ångström already. if not, it is available in debian. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Once a whiner
The only thing that prevents me of using FSO is the import of phone numbers. I couldn't found a hint on how to import a vcf file. so far there's no pim implemented -- zhone only reads from sim. but it is really simple to patch zhone accordingly. search the archives, i think i posted a patch a while ago and certainly someone else did in september or so. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [2008.12] ssh instability
i too have stability issues with the ssh connection. i had them with dropbear (2007.2 and debian) really bad, and still have them with standard sshd on the fr, though far less frequent. mostly i experience it when doing apt-operations which take a bit longer, so i somehow suspect a timeout issue. when i was using it last night, nothing would resurrect the connection until i re-booted the laptop, then it worked fine again. for a short time i'm wondering if the problem is not with the phone, but networking on my laptop i've seem the total disappearance of usb0 only once -- and then the usbnet module was gone. unplugging/replugging the fr caused reload of the module and everything was fine again. maybe you should try to manually load usbnet cdc_ether ? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: GTA01 bricked - WANTED Debug Board in Germany
Here is the story. (Not to repeat!) well, to rub salt in it ... are you sure, mtd0 was the right device file to write to? the kernel-ipk has a postinst script, that before flashing the new kernel checks for the right device -- the same way allows for seeing what the other devices are for (i do not have it avaliable atm, but once you got your neo up and running again, you should look for it.) next thing is, that it might be helping if you could narrow down your position somehow, i assume it is somewhere in the black forrest area, right? maybe there are owners of a debug board near you who hesitate to do the postal thing, but would happily help, if you're in the neighbourhood. So i just tried it: nandwrite /dev/mtd0 gta01bv4-u-boot.bin Input file is not page aligned Data was only partially written due to error : Success Success? Error? good lord! with a message like that i would never have shutdown the thing! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: GTA02 is now an expensive brick
not in there by default. As it's fundamental to a working phone it should be. And from the threads I;ve found it doesn't actually help everyone. because the echo has many sources, the hw is only one -- the other is your location. even with my old phone i had echos sometimes which had to be attributed to the spot i were in. for the rest of your posting: could you please stop right now? the constant whining is jamming my inbox and nothing of what you (or others) were grumbling about is exactly new. in fact, the sdame stuff keeps to come up again and again and again. we all know what shortcomings the fr has, what could have been done better in the past and what should be done in the future -- there is absolutely NO NEED to repüeat that over and over again, just because there a few days nobody said that! i am sick and tired of people thinking thy have to take their personal disappointments to market every day, if you need to get rid of your disappointments join a fitness club, go in the woods and yell at squirrels or chop wood, but stop that constant annoying whining on this list (especially since it is a _support_ list, and that does not mean mental support). i bought the fr in june and i knew, it would be not totally ready for daily use, and yes, i was disappointed, that it did not even meet my low expectations -- but likewise i realized that it does not help anybody if i vented those feelings on the list. if you are not able to use the fr as intended, please sell it on ebay. but stop to fill up my (and others) inboxes with pointless and sickening complaints -- we heard them already and know every single one by heart and we are sure it will not help solve anything if you go on and on and on. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: no sound during a call
anything but person who calls me hear everything. What is strange: after dialing a number I can hear dialing tone - but when the call is answered the sound disappears. the moment the call is answered the alsa state file changes, so you most likely corrupted the gsmhandset.state file somehow. I use Om2008.12. The problem appeared when I played with alsamixer (yesterday). So at first I tried change alsamixer configuration files (.state) files, next I re-flashed FR by Om2008.12, next I tried SHR and back to Om2008.12. Nothing was successful. Has somebody idea where is the problem? why these steps did not solve the issue i don't know -- but maybe it is a bug in 2008.12 generally and you triggered it somehow? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: pointless ranting was: Re: Sad Story
if you refuse to check archives and to read mails and instead insist on perpetuating your misstatement, nobody can help you! Then this link be updated. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 i give up. you are deliberatly confusing things just to prove your point, imo. eot for me. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
Karthik: I think I probably speak for a reasonable portion of the community when I say this: Go buy an iphone. Put your FreeRunner on ebay. You'll like the iphone - +1 ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
1. Recamping issue - http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024. does the relased firmware not apply? openmoko10 (or whatever that firmware was called) hasn't fixed the issue for me. seems, i confused the issues the fw should fix, not #1024 but #666. And no, a software workaround which still drains the battery in less than a day IMO is not enough. can't confirm that. the battery lasts as long as before -- about 48h, maybe more (i never let it run down more than about 35% which is reached after almost two days). 3. A stable, FSO-based distribution ... there was just recently a mail from om lining out the development in this respect. I must have missed it. To find it, what should I be googling for ? well, mails wolfgang spraul of the last week, i think. should be in the thread about the disbanded optimization team. On a related note, the latest FSO in debian (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade about an hour ago) never asks me for a PIN. Who should I report this to, which logs should I attach? seems to be an issue for the smartphone lists, rather. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: ssh dying constantly
Try netstat -tp (on the host computer) to find the right PID to kill. i have several ssh connections to the fr open -- just because they so prone to freeze. netstat does not give more information than ps. it's near to impossible to determine which of the two, three, ... ssh connections to the fr just froze. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
1. Recamping issue - http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024. I know it's hard and I presume people from TI aren't being helpful since solving this issue isn't going to be very profitable for them. Still, please, someone solve this! does the relased firmware not apply? 3. A stable, FSO-based distribution (which can be built using the aforementioned stable buildsystem). Someone (from Openmoko) should come up with a stable FSO snapshot and additional apps which would allow a user to call people, manage contacts (at least on the SIM) and send/receive/delete SMS. This distribution could then be used as a base for further development. there was just recently a mail from om lining out the development in this respect. P.S. I'm surprised Nokia hasn't released any competition to Openmoko. Yet. they most likely won't -- nokia is afraid of free and open. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
A quick thought...if Openmoko feels the hardware of GTA02 is inadequate to even bother making it a stable phone, should there not be some sort of what is so hard in actually reading answers instead of repeating the same wrong statement over an dover? it has been stated several times already that the gta03 you constantly keep refering to, does _NOT_ mean the actual gta03 _HARDWARE_? please, do us all a favour and check the answers in this thread and the mail of john's before beating that death horse again ... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Still can't register GSM
I don't think a user can flash GSM firmware, only OM, due to NDA on the Calypso. yes, you can. om perepared an image you put on sd and boot from, then the firmware will be upgraded. search the archives and the wiki for links and howto. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Still can't register GSM
did you check if all contacts of the sim are connected? (yes, it used to work before, i know) I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. Connected to what? to the contacts of the fr sim slot. if i remember right, the fr's contacts are just some kind of springs which might very well loose suspension somehow. additionally the sim itself is some kind of plastic which might deform. while each might be completely inside the tolerance, together it might lead to some pads of the sim not being connected with the according pin. putting some paper betwen the slider and the sim or pressing the sim down with a finger might help. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Using AGPS - the GPS device suddenly seems to have got nuked!
what distribution? please prefix the subject accordingly! 2008.12.10 08:11:10 ogpsdDEBUGDiscarded data not UBX indicates that it uses fso -- and your bug is http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/265 for me, it helped to purge every fso-package (save modified configs like frameworkd.conf) and re-install. i didn't see any differences in the config files afterwards but i rather think, the issue may be caused by some stale pyc-files ... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: cu: Permission denied
cu: creat (/var/lock/TMP000e75): Permission denied have a look at /var/lock/ -- anything unusual? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: jffs2 crc errors
What is this still a 2.6.24 based kernel? debian-gta02 2.6.24-20081103.git7172ec57 ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: jffs2 crc errors
This is interrupted erase or flash action caused by the reset I think... normally JFFS2 seems to either recover them itself or there is minimal corruption of filesystem. The freeze can be to do with garbage collection for jffs2 but could be unrelated altogether. anything i can do about it? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: jffs2 crc errors
tar cf - --one-file-system / | cat /dev/null did at least not fail :-) tar -cPf /dev/null --one-file-system / took slightly longer (giving the impression that actually something happened ;-) didn't see the message again so far ... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: what software can be used to send AGPS data to /dev/ttySAC1?
I would like to get GPS fix faster with debian on freerunner. From files fetched by mokomakefile I found two things that mention agps: i may be wrong -- but isn't agps done in frameworkd already? at least i got the impression by browsing the logs due to the recent gps issue ... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Turning FR on after suspention
please prefix any posting with the appropriate distribution (ie 2007.2, 2008.9, FDOM, Debian, FSo)! To turn on FR after it gets suspended I just need to press the Power button on the right side of the phone. Am I right? depends on the distribution used. Cause sometimes it just stays suspended (screen doesn't turn on). Then I usually hold the Power button for some time and FR shuts down. Then I can turn it on. touch the screen. with fso ms4 i experience that, after hitting pwr, the screen lights up very shortly but gets blank again -- probably the idle dim kicks in, tapping the screen turns the light back on. with 2007.2 (the distribution the fr comes with) this is a bug, which will not be fixed, since 2007.2 is dead -- upgrade to another distribution. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [2008.9] Turning FR on after suspention
I'm using om2008.9. But I've left the bootloader as it was from the very begining. Don't think it can affect anything though. oh, it pretty well can. in fact, it's one of the most important things with suspend/resume. there was a lot of changes to u-boot, not at least in respect to issues with s/r -- you should definitely update. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [2008.9] Turning FR on after suspention
Maybe it will fix all my GPS and WiFi troubles. =) warning: it will not help with trouble with your boss/wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
debian? fast discharging due to wallcharger?
i noticed the issue occasionally, but never that extreme: sunday night (at about midnight) the battery was at about 53%, thus i plugged in the wallcharger. at about 8:30 the led was blue and the battery at about 83%, re-plugged the charger. when i left home it was at 99%, discharging. i disconnected and supended and did not touch it until 24h later -- and the battery was flat! so. my impression is: charging with the wallcharger may charge faster, but discharges very fast, too! does someone else experience this? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Cannot power on my neo freerunner anymore
It wasn't the first time I had this issue, so I just took out the battery and put it back in it's place. leave the phone w/o battery for a while. i think, i recall something about taking time to fully empty (and thus reset) internal parts. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
