Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi andy- |> | |> | Is it possible that this issue happened with the neo1973 as well, by |> | any chance? I have a neo1973 that also refuses to power on no matter |> | what I do with it .. maybe I should use the charged batter of my |> | freerunner to see if it can be brought to life? |> |> Was neo1973 ever happy starting up without battery installed? If not it |> could have the same issue. |> | | neo1973 means GTA01, and don't have power from usb designed, so this | issue looks like power related but may have different case than FR. Thanks for the lesson Tony :-) I saw it does have some charging arrangement about USB power input, I just assumed it had the same plan as GTA02. But there is no VB_SYS. Jay what I would do (but you have to factor in I do blow things up sometimes) is remove the battery, cut up a USB cable, stick the A end in my laptop and hold the black wire to 0V pin of battery connector, red one to +ve pin of battery connector and see what happened when I powered on. pcf50633 is good for 6V abs max and USB is 5V. If you think it is dead already then this can only do nothing; make it deader; or send some sign of life. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkifFPgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqeIwCdEUjTu0Jt96eZ/fB2BeQInrru 97wAnAnGh8mrTCpLwzFKBUtRlO0hmCjt =vt2G -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
Hi andy- > | > | Is it possible that this issue happened with the neo1973 as well, by > | any chance? I have a neo1973 that also refuses to power on no matter > | what I do with it .. maybe I should use the charged batter of my > | freerunner to see if it can be brought to life? > > Was neo1973 ever happy starting up without battery installed? If not it > could have the same issue. > neo1973 means GTA01, and don't have power from usb designed, so this issue looks like power related but may have different case than FR. Tony Tu ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: |> You can work around it with another battery that has charge; |> externally |> charging you battery with external charger; or the not recommended but |> "I did it and there was no smoke in my case" provide external 5V |> briefly |> to battery + terminal (making sure they share 0V too) briefly until it |> starts. After that, if it stays awake it should charge OK. | | | | Is it possible that this issue happened with the neo1973 as well, by | any chance? I have a neo1973 that also refuses to power on no matter | what I do with it .. maybe I should use the charged batter of my | freerunner to see if it can be brought to life? Was neo1973 ever happy starting up without battery installed? If not it could have the same issue. If you carefully listen to it trying to start with USB power and hear a soft clicking a few times a second, that would suggest it can be the same deal. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkifD8wACgkQOjLpvpq7dMo9HwCeKdru7/az8vdRtQo9BNTkazQX 398An0cwiJWamGaQac8PKjxXjLOG6Ct3 =StHS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
> as far as i understand the only available replacement batteries are those > from nokia which do not have the coulomb counter and thus do not provide a > battery status -- i am strongly averse to spend money on one of these. > which brings us to the point that om should provide a spare parts shop if > the battery used is not available by other means. You can buy the spares-pack form the online store: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/spares-pack You get: 2 extra batteries Stereo headsets Openmoko traveler’s pouch for $49.00 USD -- Simon Comeau Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://comeau.info ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
> Also includes "Make sure that the battery never discharges completely. > This is an issue because ..." yes, but it is an issue been around for so long that a fix in kernel or u-boot or whatever is responsible should be in place now. at least some kind of controlled shutdown if power drops below X%. is there some kind of trigger one can listen to and force the fr to shutdown? as far as i understand the only available replacement batteries are those from nokia which do not have the coulomb counter and thus do not provide a battery status -- i am strongly averse to spend money on one of these. which brings us to the point that om should provide a spare parts shop if the battery used is not available by other means. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | By now I've had it plugged into the wall charger that came with the > | phone for more than one hour, but to no avail - it still won't boot. :( > | > | > | Any tip, idea on what I should do or test? > > This is a known issue... basically Freerunner cannot boot successfully > without the battery to help it along. If the battery is dead, then it > won't succeed to boot. Luckily, my son has a Nokia 5300 which has a BL-5B battery in it. The original Nokia battery is shorter than that for the Freerunner, but I guess it'll work If I just hold it firmly with my hand, basically going a long the second option: "Boot the FreeRunner with an alternative battery, or with a spare GTA01 or GTA02 battery, plug USB power, then switch to the empty battery." Didn't work at first try because the Nokia battery was also completely discharged, but it worked now (an hour later). Guess I'll order that extra battery now. :) Thanks a lot. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
> > You can work around it with another battery that has charge; > externally > charging you battery with external charger; or the not recommended but > "I did it and there was no smoke in my case" provide external 5V > briefly > to battery + terminal (making sure they share 0V too) briefly until it > starts. After that, if it stays awake it should charge OK. Is it possible that this issue happened with the neo1973 as well, by any chance? I have a neo1973 that also refuses to power on no matter what I do with it .. maybe I should use the charged batter of my freerunner to see if it can be brought to life? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
There are instructions on how to fix this on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery Also includes "Make sure that the battery never discharges completely. This is an issue because ..." :) BillK On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 12:51 +0200, Fredrik Wendt wrote: > Hi. > > I've been using my FreeRunner quite a lot since I got it and yesterday > evening I played with USB host mode (the goal was to use a normal USB > keyboard in the terminal). However, I reported my progress and then went > to bed. [0] > > This morning when I got back to my computer, the FreeRunner's screen was > black as is expected - the battery would be drained as it has been > several nights/mornings before. But, today I just can't get it to boot > anymore. The only difference from all other times (that I can think of) > is that I left it in USB host mode. > > By now I've had it plugged into the wall charger that came with the > phone for more than one hour, but to no avail - it still won't boot. :( > > > Any tip, idea on what I should do or test? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Fredrik Wendt > > [0] > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025895.html > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner is completely dead
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi. | | I've been using my FreeRunner quite a lot since I got it and yesterday | evening I played with USB host mode (the goal was to use a normal USB | keyboard in the terminal). However, I reported my progress and then went | to bed. [0] | | This morning when I got back to my computer, the FreeRunner's screen was | black as is expected - the battery would be drained as it has been | several nights/mornings before. But, today I just can't get it to boot | anymore. The only difference from all other times (that I can think of) | is that I left it in USB host mode. | | By now I've had it plugged into the wall charger that came with the | phone for more than one hour, but to no avail - it still won't boot. :( | | | Any tip, idea on what I should do or test? This is a known issue... basically Freerunner cannot boot successfully without the battery to help it along. If the battery is dead, then it won't succeed to boot. What's actually happening is that there is a large instantaneous demand for power, AKA "inrush current", this causes the USB input to enter current limit, the voltage drops on the Freerunner side, boot fails, it restarts and so on. It won't start to charge either until this early part of the startup action completes successfully. You can work around it with another battery that has charge; externally charging you battery with external charger; or the not recommended but "I did it and there was no smoke in my case" provide external 5V briefly to battery + terminal (making sure they share 0V too) briefly until it starts. After that, if it stays awake it should charge OK. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiey6gACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrlZQCdFS2QJSx1VL5wsBDN0GKSIv3c MXsAn2sSqv73v0udrpsVtlFegpsAKF0A =BCJ9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
FreeRunner is completely dead
Hi. I've been using my FreeRunner quite a lot since I got it and yesterday evening I played with USB host mode (the goal was to use a normal USB keyboard in the terminal). However, I reported my progress and then went to bed. [0] This morning when I got back to my computer, the FreeRunner's screen was black as is expected - the battery would be drained as it has been several nights/mornings before. But, today I just can't get it to boot anymore. The only difference from all other times (that I can think of) is that I left it in USB host mode. By now I've had it plugged into the wall charger that came with the phone for more than one hour, but to no avail - it still won't boot. :( Any tip, idea on what I should do or test? Thanks in advance, Fredrik Wendt [0] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025895.html signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
