Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-31 Thread Paul Mansfield
Curtis LaMasters wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact there's some buttons on the keyboard called cursor keys, they move the little blob around which indicates where what you type will appear. you press the cursor down and type the response at the bottom.

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-31 Thread Paul Mansfield
Curtis LaMasters wrote: This is a bottom post. I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit this is why a forum is often best, as it basically forces bottom-posting, but people can read the replies backwards if they want.

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-31 Thread Michael Schuh
2009/7/31 Paul Mansfield it-admin-pfse...@taptu.com: Curtis LaMasters wrote: This is a bottom post. I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit this is why a forum is often best, as it basically forces bottom-posting, but people can read the replies backwards if

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-30 Thread Veiko Kukk
This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks... Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago, following that thread? If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there is need for that. -- Veiko iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-30 Thread Michael Schuh
I think that top-posting is better or simpler top-posting is more natural, everything in the nature that is newer is on the top ... this is what we as first see on the other hand we are more trained to read from top to bottom, the newest words in a message are on the bottom... we write from top

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2009-07-30 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 02:08:38PM +0300, Veiko Kukk wrote: This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks... God gracious help us. What's wrong with interleaved posting? Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago, following that thread? Because they're

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-30 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Eugen Leitleu...@leitl.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 02:08:38PM +0300, Veiko Kukk wrote: This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks... God gracious help us. What's wrong with interleaved posting? Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-30 Thread Bill Marquette
intentionally not trimming - see below On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM, apiase...@midatlanticbb.comapiase...@midatlanticbb.com wrote: iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote:    Gotta tell

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-30 Thread Bill Marquette
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Veiko Kukkveiko.k...@krediidipank.ee wrote: This is a good example, why bottom-posting sucks... Why do i need to scroll past all previous teks i read just few seconds ago, following that thread? If i need to read it, then i could scroll down, but rarely there

[pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Scott Ullrich
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html http://idallen.com/topposting.html Thank you Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail: support-h...@pfsense.com Commercial support

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM,

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. I did not think anything -- This

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
You was not specifically YOU...rather the list. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Scott Ullrichsullr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Tim Nelson
- Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread David Burgess
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did.  I hit reply, type my message and go forth.  Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. It can be a lot harder than that.

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2009-07-29 Thread iggdawg
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I know what top posting is...I just don't know why you think I did. I hit reply, type my message and go forth. Didn't think it needed to be any harder than that. Curtis LaMasters

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2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29,

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default.  So expecting bottom posting to be and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility.  proper ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is a-ok. 

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread iggdawg
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being missed. WHY WAS MY MESSAGE VIEWED AS TOP POSTED. Ok, I committed my internet crime of YELLING in caps for the day. In Gmail, is there a proper way to not top post? Curtis

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And I think the point is being

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
And this is bottom posting. Correct? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: support-unsubscr...@pfsense.com For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread David Burgess
Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:33

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
To which one? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: This is top posting apparently.

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread David Burgess
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And this is bottom posting.  Correct? Well, I don't think it's top-posting or bottom-posting if you delete all prior content. - To unsubscribe,

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2009-07-29 Thread David Burgess
The current is an example of top-posting, in response to your top-post. I don't think you've bottom-posted in this thread yet. db On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: To which one? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com

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2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And this is bottom posting.  Correct? Well, I don't think it's top-posting or bottom-posting if you delete all prior content.

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, David Burgessapt@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And this is bottom posting.  Correct? Well, I don't

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread David Burgess
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: How about now? Bottom posting? Bingo. Ha ha. Now Scott's saying no and I'm saying yes. In my view, you bottom-posted, although you could refine it further by trimming the quoted text to which you're replying.

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design. I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing list would have eaten all Gmail users alive if Gmail were the issue. Curtis LaMasters

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread iggdawg
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design. I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is broken by design.  I would have imagined that the Spamassassin mailing list

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
HItting reply resulted in the above A proper bottom post then looks like this: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating.  Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread apiase...@midatlanticbb.com
iggd...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta tell you guys...this is out right frustrating. Is it the fact that I'm using Gmail or that by definition, threading in email is

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have caused. Let me know if I did that correctly. That looks correct.

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2009-07-29 Thread iggdawg
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Scott Ullrich sullr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: I actually find that to be annoying to read. However, in the spirit of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Scott Ullrichsullr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: I actually find that to be annoying to read.  However, in the spirit of good internetship, I'll oblige. Sorry any problems I may have

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2009-07-29 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
this is top posting Above all else, this is just spamming the mailing list and wasted 5 minutes of my life reading thru that horrible slew of emails this is bottom posting

RE: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
-Original Message- From: Scott Ullrich [mailto:sullr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:56 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009

[pfSense Support] RE: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 06.2/5.0] Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Víctor Hugo Pasten Varas
-Mensaje original- De: Curtis LaMasters [mailto:curtislamast...@gmail.com] Enviado el: miércoles, 29 de julio de 2009 14:12 Para: support@pfsense.com Asunto: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 06.2/5.0] Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote: It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's memory on a long

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2009-07-29 Thread wayne
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote: It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed or refresh one's

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:46 PM, wayneplet...@gmail.com wrote: Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote: It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of

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2009-07-29 Thread Steve Spencer
wayne wrote: Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:28:14AM -0600, David Burgess wrote: It can be a lot harder than that. It's effectively illustrated in the links that Scott provided. A little effort in replying can save a lot of wasted effort in trying to bring oneself up to speed

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread David Rees
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default.  So expecting bottom posting to be and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility.  proper ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure everything is a-ok. 

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Gary Buckmaster
David Rees wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately Gmail top posts by default. So expecting bottom posting to be and to remain the default behavior may be an exercise in futility. proper ettiquite or not, some people just bang off replies and figure

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
Thanks everyone. Learning has occurred. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Gary Buckmasterg...@s4f.com wrote: David Rees wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM, iggd...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately Gmail top

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Curtis LaMasters wrote: I find it funny when people assume because they do a certain thing, that they must not be doing x. I have 9 mailing lists that I participate in, and as I mentioned before, none have bothered me or others for that matter about

Re: [pfSense Support] A note about top vs bottom posting -- please read and make sure you bottom post on our lists. Thank you.

2009-07-29 Thread Tim Nelson
- Curtis LaMasters curtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone. Learning has occurred. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com I really hate to fan the flames here... but I just HAD to do this:

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2009-07-29 Thread Victor Padro
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Curtis LaMasterscurtislamast...@gmail.com wrote: And this is bottom posting.  Correct? Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com - To unsubscribe,

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2009-07-29 Thread Curtis LaMasters
I really hate to fan the flames here... but I just HAD to do this: http://diy.despair.com/output/poster84114313.jpg The hilarity and simultaneous irritation this thread has caused is just fantastic. --Tim Yes, I noticed that just as soon as I sent it. Thanks for the virtual slap in the