Re: search button inactiv in 2.4 version

2011-09-30 Thread M
denewton wrote: Hello, With the last release 2.4 I downloaded, the search button, to get diretly google, for exemple, is absolutly inactiv (on two machines XP). I reinstall 2.3.3 and it is running again. What is brocken ? sincerly Bertrand Just to confirm your problem. Google search button was

Thread hijacking

2011-09-30 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
What does any of the following have to do with SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack, the original topic of the thread in which you posted ? If you want to start yet another pointless flame war on so-called list etiquette, please do so in a new thread, don't hijack the

Re: can't get flashplayer to work!! HELP! (PROBLEM SOLVED)

2011-09-30 Thread dirk
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 29/09/2011 11:27, dirk told the world: thank you, but I forgot to mention that the flash player does actually work in Google Chrome and in Internet Explorer but NOT in Seamonkey nor in Firefox. Well, that's because they

Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

2011-09-30 Thread Lucas Levrel
Le 29 septembre 2011, d...@kd4e.com a écrit : In addition to HTML 5 supposedly displacing some of the needs for Java, wasn't there a project of some sort that provided for an open-source substitute for Java ... or was that just a silly dream? There exists IcedTea (at least on Linux, which you

Re: IN SHORT: SeaMonkey 2.4.1 released

2011-09-30 Thread Michael Speier
Hi Callek! Justin Wood (Callek) schrieb: Hey, I just wanted to mention, semi-official-like that SeaMonkey 2.4.1 is now out. This fixes *only* the issue with addons disappearing that was also the cause of Firefox 7.0.1. I'll get a more official looking announcement up tomorrow, (today was

Do I still need version 2.0.14

2011-09-30 Thread Eric
I still have Seamonkey version 2.0.14 in my list of add/remove programs, do I still need it, I've updated to 2.4.1? Please advise. Eric ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

2011-09-30 Thread Ray_Net
THAT'S NOT an answer - PLEASE REFRAIN TO INSIST - YOU DID NOT FOLLOW THE ETIQUETTE WHEN NOT ANSWERING. NoOp wrote: On 09/29/2011 05:27 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: In addition to HTML 5 supposedly displacing some of the needs for Java, wasn't there a project of some sort that provided for an

Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

2011-09-30 Thread Ray_Net
Robert Kaiser wrote: NoOp schrieb: Blocking all versions of Java on all versions of Firefox + SeaMonkey? Yes. Seriously? Yes, as it's a security hazard and we don't know of any plans of Oracle to fix it. Are you referring to this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689661

Re: Do I still need version 2.0.14

2011-09-30 Thread Ray_Net
Eric wrote: I still have Seamonkey version 2.0.14 in my list of add/remove programs, do I still need it, I've updated to 2.4.1? Normally you better remove the old-one before installing the new-one. I don't know what could happen... If i had this situation i will do: 1. Stop all SM running. 2.

Re: Do I still need version 2.0.14

2011-09-30 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Eric wrote: I still have Seamonkey version 2.0.14 in my list of add/remove programs, do I still need it, I've updated to 2.4.1? I keep a copy of 2.0.14 on a less-used machine because there are still some sites that work with 2.0.14 and which have caused severe (intractable) problems with

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread David Wilkinson
Sailfish wrote: Win8 is a closed system. Apple can get away with it because of their ability to inspire with the hardware and software design. Android is open and is now selling more smartphones/tablets than even Apple, let alone WinPhone7. Why should Mozilla put anything more than a meager

Re: Potential Issues with SeaMonkey 2.4.1 (and Firefox 7.0.1)

2011-09-30 Thread Philipp van Hüllen
MCBastos schrieb: Interviewed by CNN on 29/09/2011 16:23, NoOp told the world: I've had no issues with that in SeaMonkey 2.4.1 (linux) so far. BTW: that preference (browser.urlbar.trimURLs) doesn't exist in mine. AFAIK this has not been implemented in Seamonkey yet (if it ever will, that

Re: Potential Issues with SeaMonkey 2.4.1 (and Firefox 7.0.1)

2011-09-30 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Philipp van Hüllen wrote: MCBastos schrieb: Interviewed by CNN on 29/09/2011 16:23, NoOp told the world: I've had no issues with that in SeaMonkey 2.4.1 (linux) so far. BTW: that preference (browser.urlbar.trimURLs) doesn't exist in mine. AFAIK this has not been implemented in Seamonkey

Manual update return: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey ....

2011-09-30 Thread jim
xp sp2 Seamonkey 2.2 When manually checking for updates, i get: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey into accepting an insecure update. Please contact your network provider and seek help. Does anyone know what that is all about? jim ___

Re: Manual update return: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey ....

2011-09-30 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
jim wrote: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey into accepting an insecure update. Probably relevant : http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_update#Update_Failed._Something_is_trying_to_trick_Firefox_into_accepting_an_insecure_update ___

Re: SeaMonkey 2.4 and Mac OS 10.6.8

2011-09-30 Thread BIll Spikowski
No problems here with 2.4 on WinXP Paul Bergsagel wrote: My experience with the SeaMonkey 2.4 is not good. Has anyone else found that SeaMonkey 2.4 is not all that stable. It crashes at least once an hour. Here is what the release notes had to report about the 2.4 release: Most

Re: SeaMonkey 2.4 and Mac OS 10.6.8

2011-09-30 Thread Philipp van Hüllen
Paul Bergsagel schrieb: Has anyone else found that SeaMonkey 2.4 is not all that stable. It crashes at least once an hour. It's working perfectly stable for me. (On MacOS 10.7.1.) I got few add-ons and the usual mix of plug-ins. (Though I keep those - especially Flash - pretty up to date.) I

Re: Manual update return: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey ....

2011-09-30 Thread Philipp van Hüllen
jim schrieb: xp sp2 Seamonkey 2.2 When manually checking for updates, i get: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey into accepting an insecure update. Please contact your network provider and seek help. Does anyone know what that is all about? I remember, that 2.3.1 had an update of

Re: IN SHORT: SeaMonkey 2.4.1 released

2011-09-30 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: And we are quietly back to third level (x.y.z) bug fix releases of SM. :-) Not quietly. Those are planned but hopefully avoidable in the rapid release cycle. Any fixup needed between the regular 6-week releases gets a third level number, like SeaMonkey 2.4.1 and

Re: Manual update return: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey ....

2011-09-30 Thread Robert Kaiser
jim schrieb: xp sp2 Seamonkey 2.2 When manually checking for updates, i get: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey into accepting an insecure update. Please contact your network provider and seek help. Does anyone know what that is all about? Yes. SeaMonkey 2.1-2.3 can't receive updates

Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

2011-09-30 Thread Robert Kaiser
Ray_Net schrieb: How to kill Java on my machine (win7) and/or when using IE(or SM) On SM it should be as easy as going into the Add-ons Manager, select Plugins, and deactivate it from there. No idea about Windows/IE as I keep my hands off proprietary software as much as I can. Robert

Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

2011-09-30 Thread Robert Kaiser
NoOp schrieb: I'm not sure I fully understand (or probably ever will)... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665814 {(CVE-2011-3389) Rizzo/Duong chosen plaintext attack on SSL/TLS 1.0 (facilitated by websockets -76)] doesn't seem to indicate java, but instead nss as being the issue. So,

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread Ron Hunter
On 9/30/2011 6:04 AM, David Wilkinson wrote: Sailfish wrote: Win8 is a closed system. Apple can get away with it because of their ability to inspire with the hardware and software design. Android is open and is now selling more smartphones/tablets than even Apple, let alone WinPhone7. Why

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Ron Hunter wrote: On 9/30/2011 6:04 AM, David Wilkinson wrote: Why is Win8 any more closed than any other version of Windows? Well, it will have an apps store, and you will be prevented from multi-boot installs. How's that for a starter? OMG :-(

Re: Do I still need version 2.0.14

2011-09-30 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
On 9/30/2011 6:16 AM, Eric wrote: I still have Seamonkey version 2.0.14 in my list of add/remove programs, do I still need it, I've updated to 2.4.1? Sometimes Windows lists in add/remove programs only the version you first installed, and not the one you currently have (after updates) If

Re: Manual update return: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey ....

2011-09-30 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
On 9/30/2011 10:03 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: jim schrieb: xp sp2 Seamonkey 2.2 When manually checking for updates, i get: Something is trying to trick Seamonkey into accepting an insecure update. Please contact your network provider and seek help. Does anyone know what that is all about?

Re: Made a Big Mistake !

2011-09-30 Thread David E. Ross
On 9/29/11 9:31 PM, DoctorBill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/25/11 9:33 PM, DoctorBill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/25/11 5:35 PM, DoctorBill wrote: I have both SeaMonkey 1.1 and 2.0 on my desktop. I have been purposefully using SM 1.1 because I like the way my Tabs worked with

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread David Wilkinson
Ron Hunter wrote: Why is Win8 any more closed than any other version of Windows? Well, it will have an apps store, and you will be prevented from multi-boot installs. How's that for a starter? I don't know if the app-store will be the only way to install Metro apps, but doesn't the open

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread Jay Garcia
On 30.09.2011 10:28, David Wilkinson wrote: --- Original Message --- Ron Hunter wrote: Why is Win8 any more closed than any other version of Windows? Well, it will have an apps store, and you will be prevented from multi-boot installs. How's that for a starter? I don't know if the

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Jay Garcia wrote: Followup set to .general rather than maintaining the cross-post which shouldn't have been set in the first place. Follow-up doesn't make it across the NNTP : Mail gateway; Reply-to is still set to support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org. Philip Taylor

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread Jay Garcia
On 30.09.2011 10:42, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: Followup set to .general rather than maintaining the cross-post which shouldn't have been set in the first place. Follow-up doesn't make it across the NNTP : Mail gateway;

Re: IN SHORT: SeaMonkey 2.4.1 released

2011-09-30 Thread chicagofan
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Hey, I just wanted to mention, semi-official-like that SeaMonkey 2.4.1 is now out. This fixes *only* the issue with addons disappearing that was also the cause of Firefox 7.0.1. I'll get a more official looking announcement up tomorrow, (today was my birthday, so

Re: Do I still need version 2.0.14

2011-09-30 Thread Ray Davison
Ray_Net wrote: Normally you better remove the old-one before installing the new-one. And what if the new one doesn't work, then you have nothing. The only limitation to the number of versions you can have available on the HDD is space on that drive. When looking for a bug insertion

Re: Questions about updating to 2.4

2011-09-30 Thread chicagofan
Paul Bergsagel wrote: chicagofan wrote: Preparing for an update, if I backup the Seamonkey2 folder I created for my last install, does it include *everything* I need, should I have problems with the 2.4 install? I've got some old mozilla.org files on my system, which gave me pause. Also,

Re: Questions about updating to 2.4

2011-09-30 Thread Ray Davison
chicagofan wrote: That's what I intend to do, but didn't know, because of the way WinXP spreads files to a Document folder, etc., I use WinXP. It will spread files only if you allow it to. You can put the Mozilla apps, profiles, mail, news in any directory on any drive that Win can

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Jay Garcia wrote: Setting the followup has nothing to do with the mailing list that I am aware of. If you reply to this post, it will be posted in mozilla.general and will go also to out to the reply-to address if set. I see no reply-to set on this post/reply. If I just reply, it will go

Re: Questions about updating to 2.4

2011-09-30 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Ray Davison wrote: I use WinXP. It will spread files only if you allow it to. You can put the Mozilla apps, profiles, mail, news in any directory on any drive that Win can access. I do not have any part of Mozilla on the boot drive. Nor is the data - profiles, mail, news - on the same

Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

2011-09-30 Thread NoOp
On 09/30/2011 07:17 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: NoOp schrieb: I'm not sure I fully understand (or probably ever will)... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665814 {(CVE-2011-3389) Rizzo/Duong chosen plaintext attack on SSL/TLS 1.0 (facilitated by websockets -76)] doesn't seem to

Re: Made a Big Mistake !

2011-09-30 Thread DoctorBill
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/29/11 9:31 PM, DoctorBill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/25/11 9:33 PM, DoctorBill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/25/11 5:35 PM, DoctorBill wrote: I have both SeaMonkey 1.1 and 2.0 on my desktop. I have been purposefully using SM 1.1 because I like the way my

Copernic Desktop Search SeaMonkey?

2011-09-30 Thread George Carden
I see that Google has actually discontinued it's Desktop Search. http://googledesktop.blogspot.com/ Looking for an alternative. Though GDS never did, does Copernic Desktop Search function with SeaMonkey 2.4? Thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing

Re: Made a Big Mistake !

2011-09-30 Thread S. Beaulieu
DoctorBill a écrit : If you go to this screenshot I have made, you will see the Mouse Menu Button Tab of what I get on Windows XP. Copy paste into your browser. http://www.mynetimages.com/4af876a70a.jpg There is no select button 3 nor middle button select. No, but there is a Wheel tab. The

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread Robert Kaiser
David Wilkinson schrieb: Ron Hunter wrote: Why is Win8 any more closed than any other version of Windows? Well, it will have an apps store, and you will be prevented from multi-boot installs. How's that for a starter? I don't know if the app-store will be the only way to install Metro

Re: Made a Big Mistake !

2011-09-30 Thread DoctorBill
S. Beaulieu wrote: DoctorBill a écrit : If you go to this screenshot I have made, you will see the Mouse Menu Button Tab of what I get on Windows XP. Copy paste into your browser. http://www.mynetimages.com/4af876a70a.jpg There is no select button 3 nor middle button select. No, but there

Re: Questions about updating to 2.4

2011-09-30 Thread Ray Davison
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: A place for everything, and everything in its place (except when a Microsoft-originated program ignores my preferences !). Where Mozilla is concerned, the easy way to take control of where the apps are located is to use the ZIP distribution rather than

Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

2011-09-30 Thread Ray_Net
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ray_Net schrieb: How to kill Java on my machine (win7) and/or when using IE(or SM) On SM it should be as easy as going into the Add-ons Manager, select Plugins, and deactivate it from there. No idea about Windows/IE as I keep my hands off proprietary software as much as I

Re: Do I still need version 2.0.14

2011-09-30 Thread Ray_Net
Ray Davison wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Normally you better remove the old-one before installing the new-one. And what if the new one doesn't work, then you have nothing. Before any action, you need to backup your profile and have some versions of the profile. When you install a new version,

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread Ron Hunter
On 9/30/2011 10:28 AM, David Wilkinson wrote: Ron Hunter wrote: Why is Win8 any more closed than any other version of Windows? Well, it will have an apps store, and you will be prevented from multi-boot installs. How's that for a starter? I don't know if the app-store will be the only way

Sea 2.5 Beta 1 Issue or local problem?

2011-09-30 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
Hey Guys, I just updated my local copy of SeaMonkey Beta to 2.5 Beta 1 from 2.4 Beta 3... I then noticed that it was warning me about DOMi being 2.0.11pre and not compat (a pre I can understand) which means I had run this profile with a different newer SeaMonkey version at some point

Re: Sea 2.5 Beta 1 Issue or local problem?

2011-09-30 Thread NoOp
On 09/30/2011 04:08 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Hey Guys, I just updated my local copy of SeaMonkey Beta to 2.5 Beta 1 from 2.4 Beta 3... I then noticed that it was warning me about DOMi being 2.0.11pre and not compat (a pre I can understand) which means I had run this profile with

Re: search button inactiv in 2.4 version

2011-09-30 Thread NoOp
On 09/29/2011 11:43 PM, M wrote: denewton wrote: Hello, With the last release 2.4 I downloaded, the search button, to get diretly google, for exemple, is absolutly inactiv (on two machines XP). I reinstall 2.3.3 and it is running again. What is brocken ? sincerly Bertrand Just to

Re: Sea 2.5 Beta 1 Issue or local problem?

2011-09-30 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
NoOp wrote: On 09/30/2011 04:08 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Hey Guys, I just updated my local copy of SeaMonkey Beta to 2.5 Beta 1 from 2.4 Beta 3... I then noticed that it was warning me about DOMi being 2.0.11pre and not compat (a pre I can understand) which means I had run this profile

Default Browser

2011-09-30 Thread Henry
I'm still using Mozilla 1.78. I only use the mail and newsgroup section. How do I get Mozilla not to be my default browser please? I don't want to go to SeaMonkey. Thanks Henry ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

Re: Sea 2.5 Beta 1 Issue or local problem?

2011-09-30 Thread NoOp
On 09/30/2011 05:03 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: ... There is an issue with the downloads (English US): http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.5b1 both the linux (32bit) and Windows version result in a 0 byte file. The linux 64bit seems to be fine. Looks like it was probably a

SeaMonkey 2.5 Beta 1 Release -- New Features and Fixes

2011-09-30 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.5 Beta 1: The new major release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now! Building on the same Mozilla platform as the newest Firefox release, it delivers the latest developments in web technologies. SeaMonkey 2.5

SeaMonkey 2.4.1 Release -- Corrects Stability Issue

2011-09-30 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
SeaMonkey 2.4.1 is now available as free downloads for Windows, Mac, and Linux from http://www.seamonkey-project.org. As always, we recommend that users keep up to date with the latest stability and support versions of SeaMonkey, and encourage all our users to upgrade to the very latest

Re: SeaMonkey 2.4.1 Release -- Corrects Stability Issue

2011-09-30 Thread Paul Bergsagel
I won't be updating to SeaMonkey 2.4.1. [My OS is MacOS 10.6.8] Why? When I upaded to SeaMonkey 2.4, before the 2.4.1 release, the version 2.4 was horrible. Here is what I experienced: 1. Much worse memory usage. Much higher memory usage. 2. SeaMonkey 2.4 was very unstable. I experienced at

[Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

2011-09-30 Thread NoOp
http://www.fafsa.ed.gov click 'Start Here' button you see browser incompadibilty list *if* you are using linux versions of Firefox or SeaMonkey. Spoof the browser to show a Windows version of either (note you must use FF 4 or lower - 4 will get you in, but it then shows a warning[1]) and it

Re: [Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

2011-09-30 Thread NoOp
On 09/30/2011 07:20 PM, NoOp wrote: http://www.fafsa.ed.gov click 'Start Here' button you see browser incompadibilty list *if* you are using linux versions of Firefox or SeaMonkey. Spoof the browser to show a Windows version of either (note you must use FF 4 or lower - 4 will get you in, but

Importing E-Mail and Bookmarks (updating them)

2011-09-30 Thread DoctorBill
I have SM 1.1 and 2.0 both on my desktop. Been using both but kept with 1.1 until I recently learned how to use the Tabbed Browser and my mouse with it. (see 'Made a Big Mistake'). So - I had imported the 1.1 E-Mail and Bookmarks into 2.0 a long time ago. How can I update them now so I can

Re: [Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

2011-09-30 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
NoOp wrote: On 09/30/2011 07:20 PM, NoOp wrote: http://www.fafsa.ed.gov click 'Start Here' button you see browser incompatibilty list *if* you are using linux versions of Firefox or SeaMonkey. Spoof the browser to show a Windows version of either (note you must use FF 4 or lower - 4 will get

Re: search button inactiv in 2.4 version

2011-09-30 Thread M
NoOp wrote: On 09/29/2011 11:43 PM, M wrote: denewton wrote: Hello, With the last release 2.4 I downloaded, the search button, to get diretly google, for exemple, is absolutly inactiv (on two machines XP). I reinstall 2.3.3 and it is running again. What is brocken ? sincerly Bertrand Just to

Re: Copernic Desktop Search SeaMonkey?

2011-09-30 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 30/09/2011 15:08, George Carden told the world: Looking for an alternative. Though GDS never did, does Copernic Desktop Search function with SeaMonkey 2.4? Not directly. But there's a hack I use which works. It involves a (never-EVER-to-be-used) install of Thunderbird.

Re: Do I still need version 2.0.14

2011-09-30 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 30/09/2011 12:08, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: On 9/30/2011 6:16 AM, Eric wrote: I still have Seamonkey version 2.0.14 in my list of add/remove programs, do I still need it, I've updated to 2.4.1? Sometimes Windows lists in add/remove programs only the version

Re: Default Browser

2011-09-30 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 30/09/2011 21:24, Henry told the world: I'm still using Mozilla 1.78. I only use the mail and newsgroup section. How do I get Mozilla not to be my default browser please? I don't want to go to SeaMonkey. Well, I'm not quite sure of what you mean here, but... If you

Re: Importing E-Mail and Bookmarks (updating them)

2011-09-30 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 30/09/2011 23:42, DoctorBill told the world: I have SM 1.1 and 2.0 both on my desktop. Been using both but kept with 1.1 until I recently learned how to use the Tabbed Browser and my mouse with it. (see 'Made a Big Mistake'). So - I had imported the 1.1 E-Mail and

Re: [Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

2011-09-30 Thread David E. Ross
On 9/30/11 7:58 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: NoOp wrote: On 09/30/2011 07:20 PM, NoOp wrote: http://www.fafsa.ed.gov click 'Start Here' button you see browser incompatibilty list *if* you are using linux versions of Firefox or SeaMonkey. Spoof the browser to show a Windows version of either

Re: Windows 8 Metro

2011-09-30 Thread Philip Chee
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:58:41 -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote: On 9/30/2011 12:10 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: David Wilkinson schrieb: Ron Hunter wrote: Why is Win8 any more closed than any other version of Windows? Well, it will have an apps store, and you will be prevented from multi-boot