Re: Making Passwords Show Letters ?
NFN Smith wrote on 04/28/2015 03:37 PM: sean wrote: the problem i've had with addons and extensions for password keeping, is updates to my install of seamonkey often breaks them. I can't wait for updates to the addons... hence my reliance on a txt file stored locally... For this kind of thing, tools like KeePass, LastPass, Password Safe, etc., are external utilities, and not tied to Seamonkey. Thus, unlike extensions, updates to the browser shouldn't affect your ability to use the tool. In fact, if you make use of multiple browsers, an external password-keeping tool can be used with any browser. Although mechanics vary, a password-keeping tool will allow you to open a specified URL in whatever browser you choose, then enter the ID and password, with about 3 or four mouse clicks, and without having to resort to cut-and-paste. Personally, I think it's dangerous to keep passwords in an unencrypted form (even a Mozilla application without Master Password defined). If your computer is lost or stolen, then whoever can establish access to the hard drive has your entire password collection. In a similar way, I believe that there are strains of malware that will do indexing of your computer, that may be able to extract credentials from unencrypted files. I'm not sure of what's possible with a simple text document or spreadsheet, but if you allow storage of passwords in Seamonkey without encryption with a master password, then the location is pretty easy to find, and the format is known. There are tools out there that can extract that information. The Nirsoft collection is one of them, and I'm sure that there are others, as well. And it's reasonable to assume that there's malware that has copied the techniques. Smith seeing as i'm using a minor linux os, i've never much worried about malware and my laptop never leaves home... and is too old to be of interest to thieves... i did download keepass since it purports to be linux compatible will take a look see soon... thanks... but this is good advice for OP if he's on windows... I understand the trials and tribulations of 79 somethings with failing eyesite and fingers that many times seem to be no longer under their personal control... spent most of yesterday triaging my 74 year old mother's machine... i swear she deliberately breaks it to get me to visit... but i moved 2500 miles away to remove that option from her... :~( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Making Passwords Show Letters ?
On 29/04/15 06:55, David E. Ross wrote: On 4/28/2015 11:52 AM, William wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote on 04/27/2015 8:46 AM: No practical reason What about seeing what one is typing when entering complex passwords? Think especially about these situations: a lousy keyboard, like most laptops; working in a dark area; using a touchscreen; people with dyslexia, or poor typing skills; the visually impaired; or those having several hundred passwords for different sites. Oh, come: how about the wireless kbd that transmits the keycodes? Is your office a TEMPEST design? No idea what a TEMPEST office is. Would never use a wireless keyboard. I use LastPass myself, but I don't tell other people that my password solution is the only valid one. Lots of people don't understand password managers, or don't trust them; or are the only users of their computers, and don't need the extra complexity. I've been using Lastpass since someone pointed out that SeaMonkey's password manager does not encrypt your passwords; good for looking a forgotten one up, but not good for security. Before that I kept my passwords in a blank field in the bookmark for the site, but typed backward as my gesture to security. I think lastpass keeps your passwords on your pc, but in an encrypted form: when you need a password, their program undecrypts it, but displays it as a series of asterisks. The problem I have is that some enterprises that put out multiple programs (such as Intuit with Quicken and Turbotax) have moved to having a single password for all their programs and when you register for a second program (or often, it seems, a new page in the program) Lastpass does not recognize the relationship between the multiple programs, and cutting and pasting a bunch of asterisks doesn't work. This user unfriendly scheme takes up a lot of my time going to all the pages and entering a new password. The obvious solution is to allow the user to see the password in unencrypted form (you do need a password to get into Lastpass) but apparently they don't recognize this as a problem. SeaMonkey does indeed encrypt its saved passwords. The Password Manager uses your master password as its encryption key, but the master password itself is NOT saved. David, if the Master Password is not saved, how are the passwords decrypted so they can be used?? -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225909 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.33 Build identifier: 20150215202114 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
downloading mail from iCloud?
I have run across a few pages which give some advice for downloading mail from iCloud? My mother (the 73 yr old again) got her phone wet and went and traded it for a different phone, an LG from Sprint... Then she came home and called me bemoaning her now lost e'mail that the Sprint techs said could not be downloaded by them... (sucks to be a non-confrontational polite Southern woman at the mercy of phone store techs) Anyway, I'm hoping her e'mail hasn't been wiped already, and wondered if anyone else has successfully downloaded mail from their apple devices to Seamonkey? sean -- who's really missing tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tagzilla UI
Philip Chee wrote: On 25/09/2013 00:47, sean nathan wrote: MCBastos wrote: Uh... this may have happened in SM 2.19, but I have just noticed it now with 2.20. As you can see by looking at this message footer, I use Tagzilla to customize my messages. But, the thing is, TZ used to have a three-pane preferences UI. Now I can't find the pane for mail news prefs, where I used to edit the footer every time a new SM version was released. My first thought was something to the tune of hey, maybe it was turned into a per-account pref, and I will find it in the mail account settings? Turns out that there's a link to Tagzilla there -- but still without the relevant pane. I was able update the footer by editing about:config directly -- but that's slightly cumbersome and probably intimidating for casual users. Does anybody know what happened? By any chance, is there another version of Tagzilla which is performing better with recent versions of SM? hmmm testing ths out in my latest install of SeaMonkey via ubuntuzilla... Um sorry about that. I've been working on Tagzilla on and off (mostly off). I've been removing the dependency on jslib and I think this has caused the two tabs to go missing. I'm off to the Mozilla Summit next week. Send me email around the middle of October to remind me. Phil opened a new clean profile in Seamonkey to see if i could get Tagzilla working... and am now looking to see what the latest tagzilla.xpi might be and where its located? . ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Making Passwords Show Letters ?
Original Message ([[)b(]])Subject: ([[)/b(]])Making Passwords Show Letters ? ([[)b(]])From: ([[)/b(]])DoctorBill ab...@example.com ([[)b(]])To: ([[)/b(]]) ([[)b(]])Date: ([[)/b(]])25/04/15 23:24 Most all Username / Password entry boxes only show the Asterisk (*) when one enters the password. Is there something in SeaMonkey that one can toggle so that one sees what one is actually entering ? I tuype so prly thet I meed tyu sea what I hab enterd. DoktoeVill May be the addon Show/hide Passwords solves your issue, this add-on adds a bottom near the password field in web pages to show or hide the password. It is a firefox add-on, so, you need to modify the install.rdf file adding a SM section manually or using the add-on converter http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tagzilla UI ... paging Philip Chee
Philip Chee wrote: On 25/09/2013 00:47, sean nathan wrote: MCBastos wrote: Uh... this may have happened in SM 2.19, but I have just noticed it now with 2.20. As you can see by looking at this message footer, I use Tagzilla to customize my messages. But, the thing is, TZ used to have a three-pane preferences UI. Now I can't find the pane for mail news prefs, where I used to edit the footer every time a new SM version was released. My first thought was something to the tune of hey, maybe it was turned into a per-account pref, and I will find it in the mail account settings? Turns out that there's a link to Tagzilla there -- but still without the relevant pane. I was able update the footer by editing about:config directly -- but that's slightly cumbersome and probably intimidating for casual users. Does anybody know what happened? By any chance, is there another version of Tagzilla which is performing better with recent versions of SM? hmmm testing ths out in my latest install of SeaMonkey via ubuntuzilla... Um sorry about that. I've been working on Tagzilla on and off (mostly off). I've been removing the dependency on jslib and I think this has caused the two tabs to go missing. I'm off to the Mozilla Summit next week. Send me email around the middle of October to remind me. Phil whoo hoo... seems like I'll be able to use now... let me check ahhh dang... despite setting tagzilla's preferences in both the addon's UI and in about:config, clicking send, brings up a blank tagzilla txt select box (yes i toggled tagzilla.textbox.pick to true in about config) let me scan about:config one more time before sending... nothing glaring leaps out at me... -- :~( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Making Passwords Show Letters ?
In news:9o6dndbukysmad3inz2dnuu7-r-dn...@mozilla.org, Daniel dan...@albury.net.spam.au wrote: David, if the Master Password is not saved, how are the passwords decrypted so they can be used?? A hash is stored, and when you enter the password, its hash must match the stored hash. That's an oversimplificatoin, The wikipedia has more about password hashing at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_function#Password_verification, and you could scroll up to the top to get stuff about hashing in general. Note that in the jargon of cryptography, message means the hash function's input, in this case the master password. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: downloading mail from iCloud?
On 4/29/2015 7:55 AM, sean wrote: I have run across a few pages which give some advice for downloading mail from iCloud? My mother (the 73 yr old again) got her phone wet and went and traded it for a different phone, an LG from Sprint... Then she came home and called me bemoaning her now lost e'mail that the Sprint techs said could not be downloaded by them... (sucks to be a non-confrontational polite Southern woman at the mercy of phone store techs) Anyway, I'm hoping her e'mail hasn't been wiped already, and wondered if anyone else has successfully downloaded mail from their apple devices to Seamonkey? sean Mail isn't an apple thing. Apple doesn't have it and neither does Sprint. Who is her mail provider? That is where you get it from. The email address is the clue. Go look at that providers settings to set up mail. Since it sounds like she doesn't have another mail back up option I would set it up for IMAP or Exchange not POP. The provider should have instructions for both. Given that then it should be possible, but it depends on how she had her phone set up and that it was not set up to delete mail after downloading. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to go to Manage Stored Passwords ?
On 4/29/2015 2:06 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Menu - Tools - Password Manager - Manage Stored Passwords ... did not go there - it just fall into Menu - Tools - Data Manager Password Manager is now part of Data Manager. You should have seen the Passwords only button selected at the upper left, and you can stay there and manage passwords, or make another choice and manage other data types. The Data Manager allows you to handle passwords only one domain at a time. Get the Password Exporter extension at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/password-exporter/. Exposing the content of the .xpi file with a ZIP-file application, edit the install.rdf file to increase the allowed SeaMonkey version. Then install the extension. With the Password Exporter extension install, go to [Edit Preferences]. On the Preferences window, select [Privacy Security Passwords]. On the Passwords pane, select the Import/Export Passwords button. On the Import/Export Passwords window, select the View Saved Passwords to get the old Password Manager window with all passwords together in the same window. Although you got there via the View Saved Passwords button, you are not restricted merely to view them; you can also manage your passwords there. See also bug #664574 at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664574. -- David E. Ross I am sticking with SeaMonkey 2.26.1 until saved passwords can be used when autocomplete=off. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433238. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How to go to Manage Stored Passwords ?
Menu - Tools - Password Manager - Manage Stored Passwords ... did not go there - it just fall into Menu - Tools - Data Manager ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to go to Manage Stored Passwords ?
Ray_Net wrote: Menu - Tools - Password Manager - Manage Stored Passwords ... did not go there - it just fall into Menu - Tools - Data Manager Password Manager is now part of Data Manager. You should have seen the Passwords only button selected at the upper left, and you can stay there and manage passwords, or make another choice and manage other data types. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: downloading mail from iCloud?
On 4/29/2015 1:27 PM, hawker wrote: On 4/29/2015 7:55 AM, sean wrote: I have run across a few pages which give some advice for downloading mail from iCloud? My mother (the 73 yr old again) got her phone wet and went and traded it for a different phone, an LG from Sprint... Then she came home and called me bemoaning her now lost e'mail that the Sprint techs said could not be downloaded by them... (sucks to be a non-confrontational polite Southern woman at the mercy of phone store techs) Anyway, I'm hoping her e'mail hasn't been wiped already, and wondered if anyone else has successfully downloaded mail from their apple devices to Seamonkey? sean Mail isn't an apple thing. Apple doesn't have it and neither does Sprint. Who is her mail provider? That is where you get it from. The email address is the clue. Go look at that providers settings to set up mail. Since it sounds like she doesn't have another mail back up option I would set it up for IMAP or Exchange not POP. The provider should have instructions for both. Given that then it should be possible, but it depends on how she had her phone set up and that it was not set up to delete mail after downloading. I may stand corrected. Apparently there is an iCloud e-mail - it is just MAPI see this article http://www.androidcentral.com/how-set-your-icloud-email-account-android I assume the LG is Android but no matter MAPI is MAPI just use whatever client you want. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: change disk location of SM 2.33
Eric wrote: Look up Jasnipak Mozbackup. You can use it to copy and move your profiles to new computers. And a simple copy puts you completely in charge. Also the suggestion of using Portable apps is a good one for what you are wanting to do. What is portable where SM is concerned? Isn't SM inherently portable? It will install - and can be run - anywhere the OS has access with nothing more than unzip and create a run object - and even the run object is optional. And my mail files began life in Netscape, and have been ported to every machine I have had since. And they go on the road on my laptop. And the same mail files are used by both SM and TB, under both Win and OS/2-eCS. Is that not enough portable? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: frequent hangs
On 4/23/2015 8:20 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:15:15 -0500, Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] .@. wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:29:15 -0700, David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote: On 4/22/2015 4:02 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Is it just me, or are other folks experiencing frequent hangs in the Seamonkey browser? It seems like half the web pages I visit these days lead to spinning beachballs, 100% machine load, and often, the need to force quit and restart. Miles Fidelman See my message SeaMonkey and Yahoo in this same newsgroup. The problem seemed to disappear this afternoon. I'm running SM 2.33.1 and never have lockups or freeze. I have an old Latitude E6400 with 2GB RAM and NVidia 160M. Not exactly modern but not slow. What SM are you running? Have you defragged lately? Have you done a Checkdisk lately? - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] Nevermind. It's a Mac. But 10.6? The OS might just be starting to show it's age with the newer SM versions. Well... maybe. But then Chrome works just fine. (Firefox, on the other hand, shows some of the same issues). I guess I'm wondering if it's just me, or if the underlying engine is starting to show its age. Miles It's not just you. I normally use linux for everything, but bought a new Acer laptop (8G RAM windows) and have been doing some testing in Windows. Since loading 2.33.1 (same profile as linux)and have experienced frequent freezes in SeaMonkey only - doesn't seem to affect the rest of the machine. Unfortunately it happened last night after spending 3 hours doing work on it was in the middle of creating a final report email and... freeze. I can see each window but they fade to pale background and freeze. The only way to resolve the problem is to kill SeaMonkey. Unfortunately this is not an easy problem to troubleshoot (for me anyway) as it doesn't crash, just freezes. I've not experienced the problem while using linux on this machine, but have on my other linux laptop when I've used SeaMonkey for several hours. I do not experience the same problem when using in linux or Windows with Chrome, Chromium, Opera, Opera Mail. I only use Firefox or Thunderbird for testing/updating so I don't know if the problem exists in those products. Anyone have any advise on how to troubleshoot this - it is definitely not hardware, and no I can't just work for a few hours in safe mode. User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 Build identifier: 2015032119490 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey crashed and destroyed all my stuff.
On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 12:11:49 AM UTC-4, 1susan...@gmail.com wrote: It corrupted the default profile, zapped my personal profile, and wiped out all my e-mail and messages saved in folders I had created. It also destroyed my browser history and bookmarks. It crashed again about an hour later after I had created a new profile, but didn't wipe out the profile the second time. What's up with this? Help! Forgot to mention that I am running Windows 7 with 16 gigs of RAM, 2 terabytes disk space, etc. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey crashed and destroyed all my stuff.
It corrupted the default profile, zapped my personal profile, and wiped out all my e-mail and messages saved in folders I had created. It also destroyed my browser history and bookmarks. It crashed again about an hour later after I had created a new profile, but didn't wipe out the profile the second time. What's up with this? Help! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey crashed and no longer displays most videos
on Facebook or on websites. It just displays a bright green rectangle. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey websites
Recently Rainer Bielefeld filed several bugs including: Bug 1151797 - Create SeaMonkey-Zone at MDN https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1151797 Bug 1151461 - Create a landing page on developer.mozilla.org for the start page in SeaMonkey MailNews https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1151461 Consequently to kick start some activity I've created a page on the developer.mozilla.org wiki: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/SeaMonkey (This is a stub based on: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Thunderbird) Now DevMo is a wiki, which means that anyone can create an account and then start creating/editing pages. You don't need to be a developer or coder to start off. Bug 1151461: Thinking about this further. For release builds we should not point to a developer page. Instead it should point to a end user facing document. We could point it to the navigator default start page and save ourselves some wor, except that I think it current points to: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/ even on release builds. For release builds we need a different start page that is end user focused. One idea I have is to use wiki.mozilla.org to host our default start page in release builds. Anyone with good writing skills want to help out? Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: change disk location of SM 2.33
Ray Davison wrote on 4/29/2015 11:33 AM: Eric wrote: Look up Jasnipak Mozbackup. You can use it to copy and move your profiles to new computers. And a simple copy puts you completely in charge. Also the suggestion of using Portable apps is a good one for what you are wanting to do. What is portable where SM is concerned? Isn't SM inherently portable? It will install - and can be run - anywhere the OS has access with nothing more than unzip and create a run object - and even the run object is optional. And my mail files began life in Netscape, and have been ported to every machine I have had since. And they go on the road on my laptop. And the same mail files are used by both SM and TB, under both Win and OS/2-eCS. Is that not enough portable? Portable meas putting SeaMonkey and its profile on a USB stick. You can then plug it into any PC and run it, even if it's not installed on that PC. I don't do this with SeaMonkey (since I always travel with a laptop) but I do it with a number of utilities. That way when I'm working on someone else's PC (either troubleshooting or doing my own work) I have the tools I need handy. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ If it ain't broke fix it anyway! If it's broke fix it and make it worse! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
