Re: Reply to who or what?

[jcteyssier1]

Le vendredi 17 avril 2020 18:32:10 UTC+2, Ray Davison a écrit :
> Most of the email lists I subscribe to, "reply" goes to the list.  But 
> on a few - like this one - it goes only to the person that posted the 
> message being replied to.  So I reply and wonder why it didn't post.  So 
> I use "reply all" and delete the person and leave the list address.
> 
> On one list it was explained as a function of the list server and to 
> live with it.  Is that as good as it gets?
> 
> TY
> Ray

So...
to reply here i have to open browser, go to groups.google.com, log in, browse 
right here and publish something (like right now).
If in "mail and group" i try to reply to news.mozilla.org, i am getting message 
"this account support only mails. Going ahead groups will be ignored".
clicking "OK" and he message is not sent "no destination specified".
I guess something is set wrong or i did not understand something.
Outging sever is smtp all all is fine since years since more than 20 years with 
it and mails.
I try groups recently (less than on year)and never successed to reply directly 
from "mails and groups"
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Re: YouTube Problems

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David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/18/2020 10:30 AM, EE wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote:

YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video
icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on
Edge. Any help?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E


I have media.autoplay.enable set to false.  I do not allow cookies for
YouTube.  I use a user-agent override with YouTube.
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/62.0

You might want to change the platform info for Windows, though it
probably does not matter much.



Rejecting cookies breaks some Web sites. Instead, I makr the file
cookies.sqlite in my profile as read-only. The Web server thinks it is
setting cookies, but those cookies are lost as soon as I terminate
SeaMonkey.


SeaMonkey has settings available in the UI for that:

Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | Cookies
Cookie Retention Policy
(o) Accept cookies normally
(•) Accept for current session only
(o) Accept cookies for [nn] days

and

Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | Private Data
Clear Private Data
[x] Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey
...
When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase:
...
[x] Cookies

If you use these two settings, you can accept cookies from sites that 
require them without allowing them to persist past the end of the 
current session, and you don't have to remember to clear them because SM 
does so automatically whenever it terminates.


You can also set site-specific cookie-handling policies, as you know.
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Re: YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 4/18/2020 10:30 AM, EE wrote:
> Thomas Pamin wrote:
>> YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video 
>> icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on 
>> Edge. Any help?
>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E
> 
> I have media.autoplay.enable set to false.  I do not allow cookies for 
> YouTube.  I use a user-agent override with YouTube.
> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 
> Firefox/62.0
> 
> You might want to change the platform info for Windows, though it 
> probably does not matter much.
> 

Rejecting cookies breaks some Web sites.  Instead, I makr the file
cookies.sqlite in my profile as read-only.  The Web server thinks it is
setting cookies, but those cookies are lost as soon as I terminate
SeaMonkey.

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Re: YouTube Problems

[Ant]

On 4/17/2020 3:39 PM, Thomas Pamin wrote:
YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video 
icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on 
Edge. Any help?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E


No problems in here with old and current/new YouTube.com web site design 
with and without "Advertise Firefox compatibility".

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Re: Setting up my computer with a new ISP...while not loosing data on my system setup.

[Frog]

On 4/13/2020 11:47 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Frog wrote:
Some you have given me much help with an earlier thread relating to 
this the subject of this message...Subject: Not able to send

messages.

Here is a list of things I must learn about to make the change from 
Verizon to AOL> ISP.


I now I want to continue using SeaMonkey in the same manner as I did
 while connected to Verizon.


All it is is a matter of adding an additional account to your current
configs.  Seamonkey has no difficulties with connecting with multiple
accounts and multiple providers.

All that's necessary is File -> New -> Account, and then follow the
prompts of the account setup wizard, and put in the necessary settings
for AOL.  Don't touch your Verizon account at all.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like you're a POP user. It's now
pretty common that providers presume IMAP, to allow for access from
multiple devices (and I think there may be a few providers that don't
even offer POP), but if you're using a single computer, there's no
reason that you can't continue to use POP, if you prefer it.

I'm not aware of any trickiness with AOL's setups. I do know that with 
Gmail, there's their oAUTH system for authentication, and where you have 
to configure Gmail for "less secure", because Seamonkey doesn't do 
oAUTH.  In a similar way there's a growing number of providers that are 
doing some form of multi-factor authentication. I know that my own 
provider requires a setup of a separate password to use in an external 
mail client -- it's not the same password used for login at their web 
site. I'm guessing that AOL doesn't do that, but I could be wrong.



I know that I must take steps to configure things so that I continue
to have access to old Verizon messages, while adding new AOL messages
to this system (if that is possible).


Once you have the AOL connection working, all your Verizon messages are 
still there, assuming that you're using POP. At that point, you can 
drag-and-drop all the messages, either into your AOL account, or into 
Local Folders. If your Verizon account is IMAP, then you should 
drag-and-drop all your messages.  If the AOL account is IMAP, then 
dragging into AOL will cause all your messages to be uploaded to AOL's 
server.  If you move everything to Local Folders, then all the content 
will be stored only on your local hard drive.


If your Verizon connection is POP, all your messages are there, and you 
simply leave the Verizon account there (although you will want to adjust 
the server settings for that account, so that Seamonkey isn't 
automatically checking for new messages).


For what it's worth, in my own setups, I have content in my Local 
Folders dating back close to 25 years, on accounts that were discarded 
long ago, including on proprietary systems, where I was able to import 
messages into Seamonkey.




For sure, I don't want to lose anything I previously saved on my
computer that originated via the Verizon days.


Just to be on the safe side, it is worth getting a backup of all your 
data, but that's something that you should be doing as a part of your 
routine backups.  In Windows, Seamonkey's data is in 
%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey .  On my own system, I make sure that folder 
is included in my daily backups, but before I'm doing something with 
configurations (especially if I'm working at file/folder level), I make 
sure I copy all that data to somewhere else on the computer.




I believe there will be a need to reconfigure MailWasher to work with
AOL.  This MailWasher software permits me to weed out unwanted
messages prior to downloading messages to my computer...I have found
this software helps to keep from introducing virus and malware
software on my computer.


There might be a tweak in your settings for MailWasher, where you need 
to tell it about AOL's server.


However, I'm not convinced that you need MailWasher, and for more than 
one reason.  The primary thing is that if you're moving to a new mail 
address, spammers mostly won't know about the new address, and if you're 
careful about not broadcasting your address to where the spammers can 
pick it up, you may not see a lot of spam for MailWasher to handle. 
Additionally, Seamonkey has native spam-handling capacity, in the same 
way that Thunderbird does.


The Mozilla spam-handling tools may not be as robust as I would like but 
they do work.  That won't prevent download, but a message recognized as 
spam will be shunted to the Junk folder, where it can be easily 
discarded, in the same way that you empty trash. However, any 
user-trained filter needs a measure of training, and you have to watch 
for both false positives and false negatives, and make corrections. 
There's several ways to do that, but one way is right-clicking on a 
message in a folder, and selecting Mark -> either "As Junk" or "As Not 
Junk", and subsequent messages that are similar will be treated the same 
way.


Even if a message you receive is a vector 

Re: YouTube Problems

[EE]

Thomas Pamin wrote:
YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video 
icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on 
Edge. Any help?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E


I have media.autoplay.enable set to false.  I do not allow cookies for 
YouTube.  I use a user-agent override with YouTube.
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/62.0


You might want to change the platform info for Windows, though it 
probably does not matter much.

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Re: YouTube Problems

[NFN Smith]

Thomas Pamin wrote:
YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video 
icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on 
Edge. Any help?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E



I'm not seeing problems with YouTube.  I know that checking/spoofing 
your User Agent settings has been suggested, I see from your post that 
you're already spoofing Firefox 68.  I don't think UA is the issue, and 
I'm inclined to believe that what's happening is somewhere in your user 
profile.


I suggest doing the following:

1) Clear your cache and cookies.

2) Try a restart in Safe Mode. Besides temporarily disabling extensions, 
that will reset a lot of your prefs to default. I have occasionally seen 
a one-off start in Safe Mode clear problems.  If problems return after 
Safe Mode, then chances are problems with one of your extensions.


3) Try a fresh profile.


Smith
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Re: Reply to who or what?

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Ray Davison wrote:
Most of the email lists I subscribe to, "reply" goes to the list.  But 
on a few - like this one - it goes only to the person that posted the 
message being replied to.  So I reply and wonder why it didn't post.  So 
I use "reply all" and delete the person and leave the list address.


On one list it was explained as a function of the list server and to 
live with it.  Is that as good as it gets?


This has come up numerous times in the past, but off the top of my head 
the main arguments are...


The way this list is set up is how email normally works - "Reply" sends 
a response to the individual person who sent the message, and "Reply 
All" sends a response to everyone (there's also "Reply List" to send 
only to the list, so the original sender doesn't get two copies, but as 
has been mentioned it's not quite so convenient to access, at least in 
SeaMonkey).


Mailing lists which set the "Reply-To" address to the list's address 
makes it more difficult if you want to reply to the individual, since 
"Reply", "Reply All" and "Reply to List" all just go back to the list. 
Furthermore, the original sender might have set their own Reply-To 
address at which they expect to receive messages, so even if you go to 
the extra effort to manually copy the "From" address to send a reply, 
that might not be the right address.  Although it's generally considered 
good form to keep discussion on-list, there are sometimes cases where 
individual responses are warranted.


Mailing lists which set the "From" address to the list's address have 
similar problems, and it that case it's not even possible to see the 
individual's address if you want to send a private reply.


For what it's worth, the other lists I mainly interact with are the 
LibreOffice and GIMP users' lists, and they're both set up the same as 
this one, where replies go to the individual.  So from my point of view, 
your argument of "most of the email lists I subscribe to" supports the 
way this list is set up.


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Re: YouTube Problems

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Thomas Pamin wrote:
YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video 
icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on 
Edge. Any help?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E


I think it's your user-agent override.  From your mail header, I see:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0

If I set that as my user-agent, I get a mostly blank page at that URL.

With the default user-agent, it looks fine.  The layout is slightly 
different depending whether or not "Advertise Firefox compatibility" is 
enabled, but the content is there in either case.


It also looks OK if I use your user-agent, but with "Firefox/60.0" 
instead of "Firefox/68.0" - SeaMonkey 2.53.1 is based on Firefox 60, not 
68.  I'm guessing they're detecting that you have Firefox 68, and trying 
to use features which are not supported in the older version SeaMonkey 
is currently based on.  If you're still on SeaMonkey 2.49 series, you 
might need "Firefox/52.0", since that's the version SeaMonkey 2.49 is 
based on.


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Re: YouTube Problems

[WaltS48]

Thomas Pamin wrote:

Thomas Pamin wrote:
YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video 
icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on 
Edge. Any help?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E

I'm still getting a blank page, after trying suggestions here.


Could it be due to your UA string? Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; 
x64; rv:73.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/73.0


Mine is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1


I'd try a new profile.
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Re: YouTube Problems

[Thomas Pamin]

Thomas Pamin wrote:
YouTube is still giving me issues. Lots of blank pages and no video 
icons. Here's the latest page that is blank on SM, but works fine on 
Edge. Any help?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL772AE94FA6BA3D6E

I'm still getting a blank page, after trying suggestions here.
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