Re: What is the "Website Navigation Bar" used for ?

[Nuno Silva]

On 2020-09-21, DoctorBill wrote:

> Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
>> On 9/21/20 6:46 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> OKmy question -  what does the "Website Navigation Bar" DO ?
>>> it is greyed out right now.   It has (left to right):
>>> "TopUpFirst..Previous.Next.Last.DocumentMore..Subscribe"
>>>
>>> ...
>>
>> A web page can have certain metadata that identifies other pages to
>> which the user might want to navigate, named as in the list you
>> quoted. This might be useful, eg, for an online manual. According to
>> the metadata available in the page being shown, the browser will
>> enable the corresponding toolbar buttons.
>>
>> This is a feature from the 90s that's not much used now, as
>> developers prefer to ship megabytes of buggy JavaScript to achieve
>> the same thing.
>>
>> You probably want
>>
>>   View>Show/Hide>Website Navigation Bar>Show Only As Needed
>>
>> /df
>>
>
> OK.  Thanks.  I set it to "Only As Needed" - but I'd probably never
> use it sice
> I have no idea what you described !  Do you have a link where one
> might use that ?
> As an example, as it were !
>
> DB

One example of a site which sets these relative links is the SeaMonkey
project website. For example, at

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features

"Top" will get you to the site front page,
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/, and "Up" will go to the
documentation section, https://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/.

At the front/home page, the atom news feed will be under "Subscribe".

Some webforums and content management systems will also have information
that shows up in the Website Navigation Toolbar, for example, WordPress
shows "Next" and "Previous" to navigate between posts:


https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2020/07/07/seamonkey-2-53-3-has-been-released/

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Re: My "Autoplay On/Off" plugin stopped working

[WaltS48]

On 9/20/20 3:57 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

EE wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/14/20 12:53 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

If was "OFF" by default - so now I cannot turn in on...  (TYPO)

IT (Autoplay) was off by default.    Since Autoplay isn't working - 
I cannot

turn Videos on now !

DB




Tried disabling or removing the extension?



Been so long ago - I don't know HOW to do that !
My files for programs are a MAZE of mostly unreadable garbage.
What is what ?

What a shame - that was such a good "toggle" to stop Websites from 
playing

annoying Videos w/o being asked first !

How can I tell if it was a Plugin or an extension ?  I see no 
intelligible name in the SeaMonkey Extensions File.  Would it be 
this: {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}.xpi ?


DB


Pull down Tools menu > Add-ons Manager > Extensions and from there 
disable or remove the extension that no longer works.



There are NO Extensions in that menu !

DB


What menu?

When you open Tools > Add-ons Manager there should be four items listed 
on the left.


Get Add-ons
Extensions
Appearance
Plugins

They were instructing you to open Tools > Add-ons Manager and select 
Extensions, or Tools > Add-ons Manager > Extensions in tech shorthand.


Hope that helps.



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Re: My "Task-Bar" disappeared after installing a Mozilla Addon !

[WaltS48]

On 9/21/20 11:16 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/21/20 1:20 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:
I had a Taskbar with various things on it and when I installed a 
Mozilla

Addon (AutoPlay Toggle), the TaskBar has disappeared !

Where are addons controlled ?

DoctorBill


PrefBar - that was the name of it.
I finally found it in the ADDons Manager - turned OFF !
When I loaded the Mozilla "AutoOn/OFF" thing, it boogered up what I 
was using !
WHY ?  This sucks quite a lot !  I am trying not to SWEAR here right 
now !
Why would adding that Auto-on/off go in and change my setup ?  
MOZILLA ?!


DoctorBill




You have PrefBar installed.
Added the Autoplay Toggle extension from 
 


That broke PrefBar?



Broke it ?  It disabled PrefBar.  Why would it do that ?

I had to go back and re-enable PrefBar - after I came across it by 
accident.
i.e. - I am NOT an aficionado of all this plugins and extensions 
business.  I barely understand
all the menus and actions and how to interact with them.  Programs do 
not "wear out' -
something got in there and boogered Autoplay  up.  Then Autoplay's 
installer boogered up

my PrefBar.  What's next ?

I installed both a long time ago and they were working fine for several 
years.


Then when I re-installed the Autoplay AGAIN (it had stopped working for 
some reason),

THAT disabled my PrefBar.
That kind of baloney causes people to distrust the software and the 
makers of the software.
Unless you are UP on this stuff on a daily basis, you get lost in the 
minutia of it.


I suppose the cause of this all is ENTROPY having it's way with us.

DoctorBill



Thanks for the clarification.

It wasn't clear to me what you were describing.

I try to live without extensions.

You have to complain to the extension developers that don't keep up with 
the browser or mail application changes.


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Re: What is the "Website Navigation Bar" used for ?

[WaltS48]

On 9/21/20 1:46 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
My running/working "AutoPlay Toggle On/Off" stopped working on day last 
week.
Been "fixing" my SeaMonkey Menu "Bars" since I RE-INSTALLED the 
"AutoPlay Toggle On/Off" and it  boogered up my SM setup.

Installing that add-on changed my settings W/O ASKING ME !

OKmy question -  what does the "Website Navigation Bar" DO ?
it is greyed out right now.   It has (left to right):
"TopUpFirst..Previous.Next.Last.DocumentMore..Subscribe" 

Greyed out !  I tried looking up what it is for, but get nonsense 
(gibberish) web sites

THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO TELL ME WHAT IT IS FOR.

BTW - How can I trust Mozilla's functions if they change my established, 
running system

when I install a function ?  THAT is not right !

DoctorBill


Don't know how updated it is, but have you tried using Help > Help 
Contents from the Menu Bar?


"The Navigation Toolbar, pictured here, helps you move around the Web."

The pictured image is using the SeaMonkey Modern theme, but you can get 
the idea.


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Re: My "Autoplay On/Off" plugin stopped working

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

EE wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/14/20 12:53 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

If was "OFF" by default - so now I cannot turn in on...  (TYPO)

IT (Autoplay) was off by default.    Since Autoplay isn't working - 
I cannot

turn Videos on now !

DB




Tried disabling or removing the extension?



Been so long ago - I don't know HOW to do that !
My files for programs are a MAZE of mostly unreadable garbage.
What is what ?

What a shame - that was such a good "toggle" to stop Websites from 
playing

annoying Videos w/o being asked first !

How can I tell if it was a Plugin or an extension ?  I see no 
intelligible name in the SeaMonkey Extensions File.  Would it be 
this: {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}.xpi ?


DB


Pull down Tools menu > Add-ons Manager > Extensions and from there 
disable or remove the extension that no longer works.



There are NO Extensions in that menu !

DB


If there are no extensions listed at all, you do not have any.  If you 
have any plugins, there should be a category that says "Plugins" and you 
could check that as well.


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Re: My "Task-Bar" disappeared after installing a Mozilla Addon !

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I had a Taskbar with various things on it and when I installed a Mozilla
Addon (AutoPlay Toggle), the TaskBar has disappeared !

Where are addons controlled ?

DoctorBill


PrefBar - that was the name of it.
I finally found it in the ADDons Manager - turned OFF !
When I loaded the Mozilla "AutoOn/OFF" thing, it boogered up what I was 
using !

WHY ?  This sucks quite a lot !  I am trying not to SWEAR here right now !
Why would adding that Auto-on/off go in and change my setup ?  MOZILLA ?!

DoctorBill


Try a different autoplay toggle.  There is a restartless one in the 
Thunderbird addons site that causes no problems.


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Re: Videos on svt.se

[EE]

Göran Holmgren wrote:

Suse Leap 15.2, Seamonkey 2.53.3.

No videos work on the news site https://www.svt.se/.
With Firefox or Google chrome, there are no problems.
Some thoughts?
Glad for all the help I can get.

Göran


The videos work better with Pale Moon.

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Re: My "Task-Bar" disappeared after installing a Mozilla Addon !

[David E. Ross]

On 9/21/2020 8:16 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
> WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 9/21/20 1:20 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>>> DoctorBill wrote:
 I had a Taskbar with various things on it and when I installed a Mozilla
 Addon (AutoPlay Toggle), the TaskBar has disappeared !

 Where are addons controlled ?

 DoctorBill
>>>
>>> PrefBar - that was the name of it.
>>> I finally found it in the ADDons Manager - turned OFF !
>>> When I loaded the Mozilla "AutoOn/OFF" thing, it boogered up what I 
>>> was using !
>>> WHY ?  This sucks quite a lot !  I am trying not to SWEAR here right 
>>> now !
>>> Why would adding that Auto-on/off go in and change my setup ?  MOZILLA ?!
>>>
>>> DoctorBill
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You have PrefBar installed.
>> Added the Autoplay Toggle extension from 
>> 
>>  
>>
>> That broke PrefBar?
>>
>>
> Broke it ?  It disabled PrefBar.  Why would it do that ?
> 
> I had to go back and re-enable PrefBar - after I came across it by accident.
> i.e. - I am NOT an aficionado of all this plugins and extensions 
> business.  I barely understand
> all the menus and actions and how to interact with them.  Programs do 
> not "wear out' -
> something got in there and boogered Autoplay  up.  Then Autoplay's 
> installer boogered up
> my PrefBar.  What's next ?
> 
> I installed both a long time ago and they were working fine for several 
> years.
> 
> Then when I re-installed the Autoplay AGAIN (it had stopped working for 
> some reason),
> THAT disabled my PrefBar.
> That kind of baloney causes people to distrust the software and the 
> makers of the software.
> Unless you are UP on this stuff on a daily basis, you get lost in the 
> minutia of it.
> 
> I suppose the cause of this all is ENTROPY having it's way with us.
> 
> DoctorBill
> 

I have discovered a few situations where two different extensions (not
plug-ins) were mutually incompatible.  These situations are very, very
few; but they are extremely annoying because they are often hard to
diagnose.  The probem arises because an extension's author can easily
test against the host application (e.g., SeaMonkey) but cannot know
which (of dozens and dozens) other extensions will also be installed.

Because of my experience as a software test engineer (30+ years before
retiring), I do indeed test and test again until I find which extensions
conflict with each other to cause the problem.  I then notify the
authors of both extensions of the problem, describing the symptoms.

If neither author accepts responsibility to fix his or her extension, I
must then decide which extension is more important to me than the other.
 I then delete the less important one.

-- 
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For those who hate, Let there be no hope,
And may all derision and disdain perish in an instant.
May intolerance be swiftly cut down.
May You quickly uproot, crush, cast down, and humble the arrogant,
Speedily in our days.
Blessed are You, Adonai, Who destroys enemies and humbles the arrogant.
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Re: Videos on svt.se

[Göran Holmgren]

Dirk Fieldhouse skrev:

On 9/21/20 1:17 PM, Göran Holmgren wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son skrev:

Göran Holmgren wrote:

Suse Leap 15.2, Seamonkey 2.53.3.

No videos work on the news site https://www.svt.se/.
With Firefox or Google chrome, there are no problems.
Some thoughts?

...> Glad for all the help I can get.





I have tried with seamonkey 2.49.4, but with the same result.
Now moving on with my life.


Or you can use this userCSS on the site:

   video[src] { position: inherit !important;}

Testing with 
 in 
SM2.53.3, this makes the play button ("35 seks") appear over the canned 
image and when you press it the video plays.


With NoScript active, I had to enable svt.se, svtstatic.se and 
svt*.akamaized.net for JS for the video to play. Other sites are just 
trackers.


The best way to manage installing the stylesheet hack is to install the 
Stylem extension .


HTH
/df


This with userCSS was the medicine!
Thanks!

I started with linux in 2000 and the only sensible browser then was 
Netscape which became Seamonkey.
Firefox is now my default browser, but I have kept Seamonkey for 
sentimental reasons and now happy that it also works


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Verizon Fios Links In eMail SM 2.53.3 W10 Pro

[Samuel S]

Hello all,

VZ sends links to confirm orders and updates via email.

I find that SM freezes and will not load the associated pages, which 
will open in Chrome.


Is there something which I can do to perform this task?

I do, currently have HTTP 1.1 and Use HTTP 1.1 set in Advanced with 
Identify as Firefox set under User Agent String.


TIA - SS
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Re: What is the "Website Navigation Bar" used for ?

[DoctorBill]

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 9/21/20 6:46 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

...

OKmy question -  what does the "Website Navigation Bar" DO ?
it is greyed out right now.   It has (left to right):
"TopUpFirst..Previous.Next.Last.DocumentMore..Subscribe" 


...


A web page can have certain metadata that identifies other pages to 
which the user might want to navigate, named as in the list you quoted. 
This might be useful, eg, for an online manual. According to the 
metadata available in the page being shown, the browser will enable the 
corresponding toolbar buttons.


This is a feature from the 90s that's not much used now, as developers 
prefer to ship megabytes of buggy JavaScript to achieve the same thing.


You probably want

  View>Show/Hide>Website Navigation Bar>Show Only As Needed

/df



OK.  Thanks.  I set it to "Only As Needed" - but I'd probably never use 
it sice
I have no idea what you described !  Do you have a link where one might 
use that ?

As an example, as it were !

DB
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Re: My "Task-Bar" disappeared after installing a Mozilla Addon !

[DoctorBill]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/21/20 1:20 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I had a Taskbar with various things on it and when I installed a Mozilla
Addon (AutoPlay Toggle), the TaskBar has disappeared !

Where are addons controlled ?

DoctorBill


PrefBar - that was the name of it.
I finally found it in the ADDons Manager - turned OFF !
When I loaded the Mozilla "AutoOn/OFF" thing, it boogered up what I 
was using !
WHY ?  This sucks quite a lot !  I am trying not to SWEAR here right 
now !

Why would adding that Auto-on/off go in and change my setup ?  MOZILLA ?!

DoctorBill




You have PrefBar installed.
Added the Autoplay Toggle extension from 
 


That broke PrefBar?



Broke it ?  It disabled PrefBar.  Why would it do that ?

I had to go back and re-enable PrefBar - after I came across it by accident.
i.e. - I am NOT an aficionado of all this plugins and extensions 
business.  I barely understand
all the menus and actions and how to interact with them.  Programs do 
not "wear out' -
something got in there and boogered Autoplay  up.  Then Autoplay's 
installer boogered up

my PrefBar.  What's next ?

I installed both a long time ago and they were working fine for several 
years.


Then when I re-installed the Autoplay AGAIN (it had stopped working for 
some reason),

THAT disabled my PrefBar.
That kind of baloney causes people to distrust the software and the 
makers of the software.
Unless you are UP on this stuff on a daily basis, you get lost in the 
minutia of it.


I suppose the cause of this all is ENTROPY having it's way with us.

DoctorBill

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Re: My "Task-Bar" disappeared after installing a Mozilla Addon !

[WaltS48]

On 9/21/20 1:20 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I had a Taskbar with various things on it and when I installed a Mozilla
Addon (AutoPlay Toggle), the TaskBar has disappeared !

Where are addons controlled ?

DoctorBill


PrefBar - that was the name of it.
I finally found it in the ADDons Manager - turned OFF !
When I loaded the Mozilla "AutoOn/OFF" thing, it boogered up what I was 
using !

WHY ?  This sucks quite a lot !  I am trying not to SWEAR here right now !
Why would adding that Auto-on/off go in and change my setup ?  MOZILLA ?!

DoctorBill




You have PrefBar installed.
Added the Autoplay Toggle extension from 


That broke PrefBar?


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Re: What is the "Website Navigation Bar" used for ?

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 9/21/20 6:46 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

...

OKmy question -  what does the "Website Navigation Bar" DO ?
it is greyed out right now.   It has (left to right):
"TopUpFirst..Previous.Next.Last.DocumentMore..Subscribe" 


...


A web page can have certain metadata that identifies other pages to 
which the user might want to navigate, named as in the list you quoted. 
This might be useful, eg, for an online manual. According to the 
metadata available in the page being shown, the browser will enable the 
corresponding toolbar buttons.


This is a feature from the 90s that's not much used now, as developers 
prefer to ship megabytes of buggy JavaScript to achieve the same thing.


You probably want

 View>Show/Hide>Website Navigation Bar>Show Only As Needed

/df

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Re: Videos on svt.se

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 9/21/20 1:17 PM, Göran Holmgren wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son skrev:

Göran Holmgren wrote:

Suse Leap 15.2, Seamonkey 2.53.3.

No videos work on the news site https://www.svt.se/.
With Firefox or Google chrome, there are no problems.
Some thoughts?

...> Glad for all the help I can get.





I have tried with seamonkey 2.49.4, but with the same result.
Now moving on with my life.


Or you can use this userCSS on the site:

  video[src] { position: inherit !important;}

Testing with 
 in 
SM2.53.3, this makes the play button ("35 seks") appear over the canned 
image and when you press it the video plays.


With NoScript active, I had to enable svt.se, svtstatic.se and 
svt*.akamaized.net for JS for the video to play. Other sites are just 
trackers.


The best way to manage installing the stylesheet hack is to install the 
Stylem extension .


HTH
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Re: Videos on svt.se

[Göran Holmgren]

Don Spam's Reckless Son skrev:

Göran Holmgren wrote:

Suse Leap 15.2, Seamonkey 2.53.3.

No videos work on the news site https://www.svt.se/.
With Firefox or Google chrome, there are no problems.
Some thoughts?
Glad for all the help I can get.

Göran


There is a new setting with your version of Seamonkey where you can lie 
to sites by telling them you are running Firefox, it may be in the 
Release Notes for 2.53.3.


Can I assume you got your Seamonkey from the (OpenSuse) Mozilla-test 
repository?  The maintainer prepared a new release for the main 
repositories two months ago (both for 15.1 and 15.2) but something has 
gone wrong and they have not actually made it there.
If this state persists with the next level of Leap (which is a long way 
off), you are liable to render your profile non-functional by 
accidentally falling back to Seamonkey 2.49.4.

https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/822021


I have tried with seamonkey 2.49.4, but with the same result.
Now moving on with my life.
Thanks for your reply


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Re: Videos on svt.se

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Göran Holmgren wrote:

Suse Leap 15.2, Seamonkey 2.53.3.

No videos work on the news site https://www.svt.se/.
With Firefox or Google chrome, there are no problems.
Some thoughts?
Glad for all the help I can get.

Göran


There is a new setting with your version of Seamonkey where you can lie 
to sites by telling them you are running Firefox, it may be in the 
Release Notes for 2.53.3.


Can I assume you got your Seamonkey from the (OpenSuse) Mozilla-test 
repository?  The maintainer prepared a new release for the main 
repositories two months ago (both for 15.1 and 15.2) but something has 
gone wrong and they have not actually made it there.
If this state persists with the next level of Leap (which is a long way 
off), you are liable to render your profile non-functional by 
accidentally falling back to Seamonkey 2.49.4.

https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/822021

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Videos on svt.se

[Göran Holmgren]

Suse Leap 15.2, Seamonkey 2.53.3.

No videos work on the news site https://www.svt.se/.
With Firefox or Google chrome, there are no problems.
Some thoughts?
Glad for all the help I can get.

Göran
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Re: My "Autoplay On/Off" plugin stopped working

[Daniel]

DoctorBill wrote on 21/09/2020 5:57 AM:

EE wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/14/20 12:53 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

If was "OFF" by default - so now I cannot turn in on...  (TYPO)

IT (Autoplay) was off by default.    Since Autoplay isn't working - 
I cannot

turn Videos on now !

DB




Tried disabling or removing the extension?



Been so long ago - I don't know HOW to do that !
My files for programs are a MAZE of mostly unreadable garbage.
What is what ?

What a shame - that was such a good "toggle" to stop Websites from 
playing

annoying Videos w/o being asked first !

How can I tell if it was a Plugin or an extension ?  I see no 
intelligible name in the SeaMonkey Extensions File.  Would it be 
this: {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}.xpi ?


DB


Pull down Tools menu > Add-ons Manager > Extensions and from there 
disable or remove the extension that no longer works.



There are NO Extensions in that menu !

DB


Doctor Bill, if there is nothing suspicious in the Tools -> Add-ons 
Manager -> Extensions screen, if you go, instead, to the Tools -> 
Add-ons Manager -> Plug-ins screen is there anything suspicious showing 
there??

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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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