Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6b1 released!

2020-12-27 Thread jcteyssier

Edmund Wong a écrit :

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6b1.

So please check out [1] or [2] for what is changed from 2.53.6b1.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/





Profil and mails backuped.
2.53.6.b1 installed (w64 fr) :m all seems ok
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6b1 released!

2020-12-27 Thread jcteyssier

Edmund Wong a écrit :

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6b1.

So please check out [1] or [2] for what is changed from 2.53.6b1.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/





Great.
First link brings nowhere: may be
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6b1
Any idea about "non beta" release date ?
Jean-Charles
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SeaMonkey 2.53.6b1 released!

2020-12-27 Thread Edmund Wong

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6b1.

So please check out [1] or [2] for what is changed from 2.53.6b1.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/




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Re: Removing M & N Tabs bar SM 2.53.5.1 Win7

2020-12-27 Thread Daniel

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 28/12/2020 6:10 am:

On 27/12/2020 13:16, Daniel wrote:


...
But I just want to get rid of the bar, so how do I achieve that, 
please?? I've looked through the Prefs and M & N Account Settings but 
can't find anything that seems appropriate.


I don't think this issue is OS-specific.

Logically you'd expect View>Show/Hide>Tabs Toolbar to do the job, but 
this seems to be a no-op.


The setting below, despite being under "Browser", affects both Navigator 
and Communicator windows, so that the tab bar is not shown when there is 
only one tab pane:


Edit>Preferences>Browser>Tabbed Browsing "Hide the tab bar when only one 
tab is open"


If you never want the mail tab bar to be shown, or you want it to be 
disabled independently of the browser tab bar, you can apply a user 
style like this:


@namespace 
url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul);


@-moz-document url-prefix('chrome://') {

.tabmail-tabs {display: none;}

}

The StyleM extension makes it easy to do this.

/df


Thank you, Dirk, your logic seems infallible!

I guess this means an addition to my UserChrome.js file, that addition 
being everything from your "@namespace" to your "display: none;)" right??

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1 Build identifier: 20201115194905


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Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

2020-12-27 Thread WaltS48

On 12/27/20 2:59 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit 
and reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten. 


You *can* do that, provided you just unpack them from zip 
distributions and don't install using the .exe installer.
Since the first Netscape I have used nothing but ZIP distros.  And that 
includes SM, FF, TB, and all the derivatives.


Anyone with enough interest to get to this list has the ability to copy 
and rename the contents of a ZIP.  That way, you can put them anywhere 
you want, and name them anything you want




The SeaMonkey .exe installer doesn't have the ability to select a Custom 
installation like Firefox and Thunderbird have when you install them?


I can right-click on the Linux seamonkey-2.53.5.1.tar.bz2 file and 
select a destination to extract it in.


My SeaMonkey is installed in ~/Apps.

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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

2020-12-27 Thread Ray Davison

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten. 


You *can* do that, provided you just unpack them from zip distributions 
and don't install using the .exe installer. 

Since the first Netscape I have used nothing but ZIP distros.  And that 
includes SM, FF, TB, and all the derivatives.


Anyone with enough interest to get to this list has the ability to copy 
and rename the contents of a ZIP.  That way, you can put them anywhere 
you want, and name them anything you want


If you currently have a 32 version and want to try a 64 version, give 
the 64 a copy of the 32 profile, it will do to it whatever is necessary, 
give the 64 a run object/shortcut, and you can run one, close it and run 
the other one, and see any differences, chose the one to keep.  See 
"no-mail" below.


"New" is not always better, sometimes it is broken.  I don't get rid of 
the old until I have decided I prefer the new.


Well, it might work given certain caveats, but switching back and forth 
between versions with a single profile is asking for trouble.


No, I am asking for information.  And Mozilla products provide the means 
to investigate and never have "trouble".

>
Most of the advice in the release notes is there for good reason. 


When you get the same boilerplate warning on every release, with little 
detail, you stop reading.  How about an up front list of new "traps" 
introduced in that version?  I completely missed the "notice" that 
bookmarks would be effected.


If you want to ignore the advice offered in the release notes and here 
(including by those involved in the development, which I'm not) that's 
up to you.  But if you run into strange issues you could be on your own 
when it comes to fixing them.  


"Fixing" a busted profile is nothing more than replacing it with one 
that works.  A simple batch file makes it trivial.  But I have a good 
file manager so I haven't bothered to create a recover batch file.  But 
I do have batch files to back up Profiles and mail - separately.


Running my SM currently opens to a profile menu containing three 
choices.  One is the profile that I only use with the current working 
version.  If anything happens to it I can replace it in a few seconds. 
And since it points to mail rather than containing it, breaking it does 
not effect mail files.


The second I call no-mail.  I have a hundred filters and sub-filters, 
and sometimes I might be doing something that would cause new mail to be 
routed to someplace I don't want it.


The third profile I call test.  It is a throwaway, I don't care if it 
gets "damaged".  I can currently use that one for any of the ten 
versions, and they all run well enough to do what I want at that time - 
which currently is trying to get anything past 2.49.5 to display ctrl-D 
properly.  So my current "test" profile has no addons.


Netscape may have given us the most user friendly program ever.  I just 
hope it stays that way.  So, while we have it, be brave, look under the 
covers a little.


Ray

PS

One thing we had but lost was the bookmarks pointer that allowed us to 
easily store bookmarks in a "safe" neutral location.  Yes, I can recover 
bookmarks, but protecting them is even better.





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Re: Removing M & N Tabs bar SM 2.53.5.1 Win7

2020-12-27 Thread Dirk Fieldhouse

On 27/12/2020 13:16, Daniel wrote:


...
But I just want to get rid of the bar, so how do I achieve that, 
please?? I've looked through the Prefs and M & N Account Settings but 
can't find anything that seems appropriate.


I don't think this issue is OS-specific.

Logically you'd expect View>Show/Hide>Tabs Toolbar to do the job, but 
this seems to be a no-op.


The setting below, despite being under "Browser", affects both Navigator 
and Communicator windows, so that the tab bar is not shown when there is 
only one tab pane:


Edit>Preferences>Browser>Tabbed Browsing "Hide the tab bar when only one 
tab is open"


If you never want the mail tab bar to be shown, or you want it to be 
disabled independently of the browser tab bar, you can apply a user 
style like this:


@namespace 
url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul);


@-moz-document url-prefix('chrome://') {

.tabmail-tabs {display: none;}

}

The StyleM extension makes it easy to do this.

/df

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Removing M & N Tabs bar SM 2.53.5.1 Win7

2020-12-27 Thread Daniel
As shown in my sig file, I'm using SM 2.53.5.1 on my Win7 installation. 
Chazilla is not starting, and I'm getting an error message for that, 
which I think I have posted elsewhere.


Today's problem is that, when I start the Mail & News screen, there is a 
bar on the M & N screen where, apparently, I can have several tabs for 
multiple M & N accounts.


On the left of this bar, I can click the thingee to "Duplicate the 
current tab" and on the right of the bar, I can click the "X" to "Close 
Current Tab".


But I just want to get rid of the bar, so how do I achieve that, 
please?? I've looked through the Prefs and M & N Account Settings but 
can't find anything that seems appropriate.


TIA.
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SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1 Build identifier: 20201115194905


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
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Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey

2020-12-27 Thread Don Spam's Reckless Son

Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


As Mark suggested,
- uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential)
- install the 64-bit version
If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and 
reinstall the 32-bit versions.


You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have 
space for.  I currently have ten.  And, you can run them all from the 
same profile or each from it's own.


The only caveat is, some versions alter the profile so that it does not 
have the same information as the previous and so the previous version 
might not work as expected with a later profile.


This is more an issue now than in the past.  When SM went from 1X to 2X 
it was done "out loud", so we knew not to mix 1X and 2X.  And, it was 
done at a major break.  Back then I once ran twenty versions from the 
same profile while searching for the date and time of a bug insertion, 
with no issues.


Now those changes are done "quietly".  However, depending on what test 
run you are doing the change may not matter.  But if you want to run 
several versions from the same profile and not get bit by changes, it is 
easy to create a batch file to delete the profile and replace it from an 
archive.  A later version will make whatever changes it needs to a 
previous profile.  That includes missing pieces.  So you can give SM a 
piece of a profile and it will create the rest.


Oh yea, you do need to get the profile(s) away from he app and off 
somewhere in neutral territory and then point to them.  And, if you get 
mail files off in a third location, they will be protected from damage 
or loss.  And then a couple more batch files will easily back up 
profiles and mail to other locations making the whole thing bomb proof.


Ray





As Mark says, you can do that if you really really want to, but your 
purposes seem to go way beyond what most other people would ever think 
of doing.
In addition, John - the original poster of this thread - is obviously 
not looking to use Seamonkey the way you do.


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