Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 12:10 AM, Richard wrote: Rufus wrote: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. Select Switch Profiles after opening SM 2.0, and you'll get the Profile Manager. Once you have more than one, it will come up by default at launch. I spent a week trying to recover my multiple profiles and eventually gave up, how can the developers of sm not see this as an issue and have something in the new version to take care of this? or at the very least warn users of this ISSUE and it is an issue, they really must be stupid. I take it the developers are either Linux users or act like Linux users such egg heads that they believe they are too smart for those of us unable to code! Well, I have sm at multiple sites and will certainly not be upgrading to ver2 and if I can find an alternate multi profile system I will, even if it means moving to the dreaded ie engine perminantly. I using SeaMonkey 2 on Windows XP SP2. I installed it one evening and went to bed. After breakfast the next morning, I migrated my primary profile and three others successfully. No, the instructions for migrating profiles were not as clear as they should be. But installing SeaMonkey 2 in a different location than SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was important. Backing-up my SeaMonkey 1.1.18 before installing SeaMonkey 2 proved to be important (primarily because, at first, I tried installing SeaMonkey 2 directly over SeaMonkey 1.1.18). After installation, I found that I had to review about:config for SeaMonkey 2 to correct preferences that pointed to my local files. They had to point to the SeaMonkey 2 files instead of SeaMonkey 1.1.18 files. I also had to set some preference variables in user.js in my SeaMonkey 2 profiles because of open bug reports #526399 and #338549, but I already had entries in user.js for SeaMonkey 1.1.x bugs. Finally, I submitted a few bug reports of my own; but I've submitted many such reports against SeaMonkey 1.1.x. Now, I'm using SeaMonkey 2. I found that I needed one less extension because that extension's capabilities were better implemented in the basic SeaMonkey. I found that the long-awaited Web fonts capability had been implemented. And I found a number of old bugs that I had been tracking are now closed, not merely because they were asserted to be closed but as a result of my own testing. I will likely remove SeaMonkey 1.1.18 in about a month. I've used it only to check to see if certain SeaMonkey 2 anomalies also existed in SeaMonkey 1.1.18. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 9:11 AM, Ant wrote: On 11/15/2009 6:55 AM PT, Benoit Renard typed: Ant wrote: Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is /not/ based on Firefox 2.0.0.20. It's not even based on Firefox. It's based on Gecko, and a newer version than the Gecko that shipped with Firefox 2.0.0.20, at that. That is what I am referring to. The same engine (Gecko) that Firefox 2.0.0.20. Firefox 2.0.0.20 uses Gecko 1.8.1.20. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 uses Gecko 1.8.1.23. SeaMonkey 2.0 and Firefox 3.5.3 both use Gecko 1.9.1.4. There are significant differences between Gecko 1.8.x and Gecko 1.9.x. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want No Tabs in seamonkey 2.0
On 11/15/2009 8:24 AM, Bush wrote: I do not want any tabs in seamonkey 2.0 . How do I get rid of the TABS. I have unchecked every thing that pertains to Tans in Preferences . Do I have to Go back to ver 1.1.18 to Eliminate Tabs ? Tabbed browsing was a feature in SeaMonkey 1.1.18 (and earlier 1.1.x versions). I've seen no differences in tabbed browsing with SeaMonkey 2.0 other than some very esoteric bugs in housekeeping when shutting down or switching profiles. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 11:56 AM, Lance Courtland wrote: David: Please help those of us struggling to migrate multiple profiles in different user areas of Win XP SP3. Precisely what are the steps used to migrate these profiles? What preference variables did you have to set in user.js? What changes did you make in about:config? Since I expect my further actions to be within SeaMonkey 2.0, I did not record how I migrated my profiles. I will try to give you what I remember. 1. I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 in Windows XP in a different directory than SeaMonkey 1.1.18. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is in C:\Seamonkey. SeaMonkey 2.0 is in C:\SeaMonkey2. Somehow, I did not see the migration wizard operating for my primary profile. This might be because my SeaMonkey 1.1.18 profiles are not in the default location C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles. Instead, they are under C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla. 2. I launched SeaMonkey 2.0 and requested [Tools Switch Profile] from the menu bar to launch the Profile Manager. On the Profile Manager window, I selected the Manage Profiles button. I then created a dummy profile for each of the four profiles that I wanted to migrate. These dummy profiles were created in directories separate from the SeaMonkey 1.1.18 profiles, under C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\SeaMonkey. (The names of the profiles are the same, but they are under different directories.) I then terminated SeaMonkey and the Profile Manager. 3. For each SeaMonkey 2.0 profile, I deleted the contents of the dummy profile and then copied the contents of the corresponding SeaMonkey 1.1.18 profile into the SeaMonkey 2.0 profile. This involved not only files but also subdirectories and their files. 4. On the Windows taskbar, I selected [Start Run]. I followed the instructions at http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manual_migration, repeating for each profile. In my case the command for my David profile was: C:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe -P C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\SeaMonkey\David -migration all on a single line. Note that the quotes were required because the path to my profile involved names containing blanks. 5. (While I didn't do the following, I should have. Instead, I dithered around for a few days, fixing the file paths only as I noticed something didn't work correctly. By the time the light dawned, my review of about:config showed that I had already corrected almost all of the file paths.) Repeat this in SeaMonkey 2.0 for each migrated profile. On the SeaMonkey address area, enter about:config. Slowly scroll through all entries, looking for values that point to files on your PC. Change values specific to SeaMonkey 1.1.x to being specific to SeaMonkey 2.0. For example, my home page is my bookmarks file. The preference variable browser.startup.homepage was still pointing to my SeaMonkey 1.1.18 bookmarks.html file; I had to change it to point to my SeaMonkey 2.0 bookmarks.html file. 6. To address bugs, I put the following into the user.js files in each of my profiles. user_pref(browser.download.manager.showAlertOnComplete, false); // no alert on completing download; bug #526399 user_pref(signon.startup.prompt, false); // don't ask for master password until it's used, bug #338549 Don't forget the semi-colon at the end of the user_pref command. Note that I use user.js so that I can annotate why I'm changing a preference; comment lines begin with double-slash. The user.js file updates your preferences only when SeaMonkey is launched; thus, you must terminate and then restart SeaMonkey after entering these in user.js. If these bugs are ever fixed, I will delete these entries from user.js and use about:config to reset the variables. 7. To address a reduced capability for setting user IDs and passwords for Web site logins, I installed the Activate Autocomplete extension. It can be found at http://www.smart-roadster-club.de/off-topic/mozilla/extensions/activate-autocomplete/. There is a bug report on this problem, but I can't get it right now because Bugzilla is being updated. 8. I also installed the following extensions: * Adblock Plus 1.1.1 http://adblockplus.org/ * Flashblock 1.3.14 http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ * PrefBar 4.3.0 http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ * Show Password On Input 0.1.3 https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/6143/ Adblock Plus 1.1.1 is specifically for SeaMonkey 2.0 (and Firefox 3.5.x). PrefBar 4.3.0 will work with SeaMonkey 1.1.18 but was developed for SeaMonkey 2.0; there are also some button changes for SeaMonkey 2.0. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. It doesn't pop up if there is only one. But, it does after you go to switch Profile. and create one. Then it will as long as there is more than just one Profile. Ages ago it would come up on start up you could then check a box and it would disappear forever until you want to create a new profile. The decided to hide it, but have it so you could get to it by going to switch profiles. It was several versions before this appeared, You had to use a work around to get to it. You used to have an option to bring it up at launch, if you only had one and wanted to create a new one from the start...that was handy, particularly if you are missing one/some and want to manually re-create the new one to get started. After that, the rest is obvious...again, another change from previous behavior/expectation that's not very clear from the outset when upgrading. When I installed SeaMonkey 2.0, I got an item in my [Start Programs] list for the Profile Manager. It's a shortcut to C:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe -profileManager (since I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 in C:\SeaMonkey2\. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Initially I only had one Profile...and using the usual method of holding down the option key at startup no longer brings up the Profile Manager...it activates some sort of safe mode. Nice feature, no notification. Like the other poster, I had to search to find a way to add a second Profile - because not all of my 1.1.18 Profiles were transfered during the upgrade...the way to do that wasn't obvious based on previous behavior. Hidden, moved, revised...whatever. I agree that some notice might have been nice, but it is actually an improvement. If you have one profile, you can still invoke Profile Manager via ToolsSwitch Profile, or using Terminal. That beats Firefox, where Profile Manager can only be invoked via Terminal. And you now have an easy way to invoke Safe Mode, which used to require Terminal. Yes the migration wizard is geared for the average user, who has only one profile, and may not even know what a profile is. For me it worked fine. The two other profiles I had were a test profile, and my Netscape 7.2 profile, which still runs fine in that application. That works well for me, since I now won't open NS or SM in the wrong profile. If you have multiple profiles, you can still set it to open Profile Manager at startup. Lee Fudge, the following Terminal command used to open Profile Manager: /Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -profilemanager It does not seem to work anymore. Anybody have an idea of how to open PM from Terminal? Lee From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with SeaMonkey 2.0. Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/15/2009 8:33 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ Fudge, the following Terminal command used to open Profile Manager: /Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -profilemanager It does not seem to work anymore. Anybody have an idea of how to open PM from Terminal? Lee From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with SeaMonkey 2.0. Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case. This is on Mac OSX 10.6. Lee Command Line Options at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Command_Line_Options indicates the same command-line option works for Mac OSX as for PC WindowsXP. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
On 11/16/2009 9:16 AM, Leonidas Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 8:33 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2009 7:11 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: /snip/ From Windows XP, the -profileManager parameter still works with SeaMonkey 2.0. Note that the p is lower-case and the M is upper-case. This is on Mac OSX 10.6. Lee Command Line Options at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Command_Line_Options indicates the same command-line option works for Mac OSX as for PC WindowsXP. My whole point here is that it doesn't. It used to in 1.1.18, but not in 2.0. Lee That should be submitted as a bug report. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange SM2 behaviour
On 11/2/2009 11:09 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote: On 11/2/2009 4:43 PM David E. Ross wrote: Wallet is no longer used by Password Manager; instead, Satchel is used. Bug #425145 contains a discussion about whether or not to honor a site's blocking of Password Manager. That is, whether to allow users to override that blocking. The discussion in that bug report, however, confuses me; I cannot tell if any conclusion was reached. Thus, the questions are: 1. Do the wallet.crypto and wallet.crypto.autocompleteoverride preference variables still allow use of Password Manager in SM 2 for sites that block that use? Please re-read the summary (title) of bug 425145: Restore 'wallet.crypto.autocompleteoverride'-like feature in SeaMonkey after LoginManager migration Since the bug is not fixed, doesn't that clearly imply that the pref currently *does not* work in SM 2? 2. If not, does the capability exist in SM 2? If so, what preference variables should be set? See above. BTW: http://www.smart-roadster-club.de/off-topic/mozilla/extensions/activate-autocomplete/ HTH Jens The extension Activate Autocomplete 1.0.1 causes some banking sites (half of those where I have Web accounts) to appear broken. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0: No Home Button on Personal Toolbar
On 11/16/2009 2:27 PM, Sqwertz wrote: The proposed solution to this seems to be that you're supposed to customize the tool bar, using the button from your personal toolbar. Well, I don't have a home button on my personal toolbar. Probably because I turned it off when I installed Home Button on SM 1.1.x. And when I imported my settings from 1.1 the absence of the home button went with it. I don't know why the concept of having a prominently displayed Home button is a foreign concept to the Mozilla folks. It kind reminds me having to re-map the [backspace] key work every time you installed Emacs: Something irritating you have to do immediately after every install and before you can do anything else. Do people really not use a Home button? I'm pretty sure that if you put it right up there on the navigation toolbar by default, only an insignificant number of users would complain about not being able to disable it (the same number of people who would like to disable the Back button). Just try the following. No, you don't have to leave it that way. On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [View Show/Hide Personal Toolbar]. Then on the Navigation toolbar, right-click on an active button or on the SeaMonkey throbber icon; and then select Customize from the pull-down context menu. Do you see a house icon either on the Personal toolbar or in the Customize Toolbar window? Is so, you can drag it onto the Navigation toolbar and drop it wherever you want it there. Then select the Done button on the Customize Toolbar window. Return to the menu bar and again select [View Show/Hide Personal Toolbar] to hide the Personal Toolbar. Note: You cannot drag and drop a button unless the Customize Toolbar window is open. As for me, I also don't use the Personal toolbar. I do use the PrefBar extension and have a Home button its toolbar. However, after researching your question, I might move the Home button from the Personal toolbar to the Navigation bar, which has much more room than the PrefBar toolbar. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0: No Home Button on Personal Toolbar
On 11/16/2009 7:19 PM, Mike C wrote: Sqwertz wrote: The proposed solution to this seems to be that you're supposed to customize the tool bar, using the button from your personal toolbar. Well, I don't have a home button on my personal toolbar. Probably because I turned it off when I installed Home Button on SM 1.1.x. And when I imported my settings from 1.1 the absence of the home button went with it. I don't know why the concept of having a prominently displayed Home button is a foreign concept to the Mozilla folks. It kind reminds me having to re-map the [backspace] key work every time you installed Emacs: Something irritating you have to do immediately after every install and before you can do anything else. Do people really not use a Home button? I'm pretty sure that if you put it right up there on the navigation toolbar by default, only an insignificant number of users would complain about not being able to disable it (the same number of people who would like to disable the Back button). -sw (still wondering why nothing in Windows has the keyboard equivalent of Emacs [Esc-D]) To get the home button try this: Edit Preferences Highlight Navigator You should now see buttons you want to see in the toolbars. Put a check by Home then OK it. That's for SeaMonkey 1.1.18, not for 2.0. In 2.0, there is no Navigator to highlight. Only the Navigation toolbar has checkboxes, and they're only for Search and Go. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: AVG 9.0 SeaMonkey
On 11/17/2009 3:00 PM, John Cunniff wrote: Hello, Everybody! I downloaded an AVG right after I received the serious notice of the deadline for AVG 8.5 is Dec. 1. I installed AVG 9.0 in replacement of AVG 8.5, which worked much better than the 9.0. I've noticed that AVG 9.0 only works on e-mail scanning is Microsoft Outlook 2003, but not SeaMonkey. I got completely puzzled. I do not see No Vvirus found in this message. but in Outlook 2003, yes. I wonder did you have any problems like me? I wonder if it was the glitch in SeaMonkey 2.0 that didn't recognize AVG 9.0's new update? Or what? Just curious. A bit off-topic here. But I desperately need your help. I've keep getting my window becoming inactive not only in SeaMonkey, but any applications, like SeaMonkey and MS Word 2003 for example. That really frusstrates me especially when I am typing a response or report. I have to click an inactive window to make it active again. Does anyone have a suggestion? Let me know. Thanks. Johnny :) I've got AVG 8.5 Eree Edition, which I just now updated to 8.5.425. Some time ago, when I had AVG 8.0, an incremental update put me at 8.5. While the AVG Web site does promote AVG 9.0, it does not indicate any termination of support for AVG 8.5. Indeed, updates to the paid edition of AVG 8.5 are still available. When support of 8.5 does end, I would expect an update to put me at 9.0. Your comment about E-mail is strange. I'm using Eudora Lite 3.0.6, which is about 12 years old. AVG 8.5 scans incoming E-mail just fine and even adds headers to the messages to indicate that they have been scanned. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: ID Passwords
On 11/19/2009 11:24 AM, JohnW-Mpls wrote: For my various browser accounts (bank, etc), SM 2 requires that I first manually enter my ID for that account before it pastes in the password. SM 1.x did all of that automatically - both ID and password got pasted in when arriving at a controlled site. Is that an SM 2 failing or is there some option setting I'm missing? Assuming your user IDs and passwords in the Password Manager were successfully migrated from SM 1.x to SM 2.0, there is a change in the user interface. You must left-click once or twice in the user ID field on the logon page after the page completes loading. You will then get a pull-down selection list of user IDs. In some cases, the user ID and password fill-in immediately. In some cases, it takes a click. In other cases, it takes two clicks. No one has been able to explain this variation. Also, today I had to reload a page for even two clicks to work. One final word: If you have the Activate Autocomplete 1.0.1 extension installed, it can interfere with logging-on to some sites. This affected two of the four financial institution sites where I frequently logon. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to install version 2.0 so that it does NOT interfere with Version 1.1.18
On 11/19/2009 5:21 PM, OldCroc wrote: The Subject line says it all, except I would like to add that this is important to me, as I do not want what is on my Version either Destroyed or imported into Version 2.0, except by manually being done by me. There are some errors in formatting in certain folders that I do not want carried over, plus I have too many things I just don't want to lose! Others have answered in this thread. One warning: You cannot have both SM 1.1.18 and SM 2.0 running at the same time. Once one of them is running, attempting to launch the other will merely launch a new window of the one that is already running. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Send Link and Word Wrap in SM2
On 11/20/2009 6:37 AM, art wrote: When sending a hyperlink, SM2 treats the / character as a word break delimiter and subsequently wraps the link if it is longer than the plain text word wrap setting. Thus, the recipient may have to cut/paste/edit the link before using it instead of just clicking on it. This occurs with manual hyperlink entries or via Navigator File/Send Link. This behavior is different than SM1.x which only treated the space character as a word break. Is this by design or is it a bug ? Any way around this ? Have you tried bracketing the link as I've done in my signature below? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Website problems
On 11/21/2009 4:27 AM, Benoit Renard wrote: Cedar wrote: When I go to this website with SM 2: www.cattlenetwork.com, I get the following error message: XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: /meta. (snip) Any ideas what this might be about? The website is using XHTML, which requires it to be well-formed. But it's not well-formed, so parsing it fails with that error message. The page has 762 XHTML errors and 9 (or more) CSS errors. While many different browsers are designed to attempt to render pages containing errors, there are limits beyond which such attempts cannot succeed. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Website problems
On 11/21/2009 8:08 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: /Paul B. Gallagher/: Cedar wrote: When I go to this website with SM 2: www.cattlenetwork.com, I get the following error message: XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: /meta. (...) Any ideas what this might be about? If someone else would be so kind as to try this website and see if you get the same would be appreciated. Yes, I get it too, with SM 1.1.16. The point of the message is that if you have a meta tag you must also have a /meta tag (that's what mismatched means -- it's like having an opening parenthesis without a closing parenthesis). When the parser reaches the /head tag, it gives up. In HTML the META element doesn't have an end tag. However they serve the page explicitly specifying 'Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml' which makes the browser use an XML parser. Seems they sniff on the 'User-Agent' request header and serve different 'Content-Type' depending on the browser, as I don't get problem using Firefox 3.5, Safari 4 and Opera 10. Not your fault, not your browser's fault, though I suppose some might say the browser should overlook this error. Internet Exploiter does. Internet Explorer doesn't understand XHTML. It parses it as regular tag-soup HTML. Hmm. The server is sniffing for the UA string. When I spoof Firefox 3.5, I can readily view the page. When I don't spoof at all, I see Cedar's original problem. The interesting thing is that, when I send the URI to the W3C validator at http://validator.w3.org/, it reports 762 XHTML errors. When I spoof Firefox 3.5, view and copy the source, and paste it into the W3C validator, it reports 787 XHTML errors, 25 more than for just the URI. All this merely reaffirms the old saying: Garbage in equals garbage out. I might submit a Tech Evangelism bug report. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Website problems
On 11/21/2009 5:21 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 11/21/2009 8:08 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: /Paul B. Gallagher/: Cedar wrote: When I go to this website with SM 2: www.cattlenetwork.com, I get the following error message: XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: /meta. (...) Any ideas what this might be about? If someone else would be so kind as to try this website and see if you get the same would be appreciated. Yes, I get it too, with SM 1.1.16. The point of the message is that if you have a meta tag you must also have a /meta tag (that's what mismatched means -- it's like having an opening parenthesis without a closing parenthesis). When the parser reaches the /head tag, it gives up. In HTML the META element doesn't have an end tag. However they serve the page explicitly specifying 'Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml' which makes the browser use an XML parser. Seems they sniff on the 'User-Agent' request header and serve different 'Content-Type' depending on the browser, as I don't get problem using Firefox 3.5, Safari 4 and Opera 10. Not your fault, not your browser's fault, though I suppose some might say the browser should overlook this error. Internet Exploiter does. Internet Explorer doesn't understand XHTML. It parses it as regular tag-soup HTML. Hmm. The server is sniffing for the UA string. When I spoof Firefox 3.5, I can readily view the page. When I don't spoof at all, I see Cedar's original problem. The interesting thing is that, when I send the URI to the W3C validator at http://validator.w3.org/, it reports 762 XHTML errors. When I spoof Firefox 3.5, view and copy the source, and paste it into the W3C validator, it reports 787 XHTML errors, 25 more than for just the URI. All this merely reaffirms the old saying: Garbage in equals garbage out. I might submit a Tech Evangelism bug report. This is now bug #530359 at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=530359. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Website problems
On 11/22/2009 12:10 AM, Cedar wrote: Would somebody mind telling me what this browser sniffing thing is all about? See my http://www.rossde.com/internet/Webdevelopers.html#sniff. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser Preferences - History
On 11/23/2009 6:54 AM, JD wrote: SM2. I have a question about the History Preference in the browser. What I was seeing was a very long list when I typed locations into the Location Bar. I want a shorter list there. There are three settings of interest to me: Always remember visited pages for at least [__] days I reset it to 7 days. Remember visited pages for up to [__] days I reset this to 3 days. What is the difference between the above two settings? I'm reading Help but maybe it's too early in the morning for me to see a difference? Remember up to [__] visited pages This is currently set for 40,000 pages. That seems a little high to me. It's default is to remember forty thousand visited pages? And what's the difference between this setting and the other two? I figure this all depends on my browsing habits. For example, I'll probably visit Amazon.com once a month and I like to type in is Amazon. I might go to TigerDirect.com every three months and all I need to type in is TigerDirect. Right now, when I type those in I'm seeing every TigerDirect web page I've visited in my lifetime and two previous lifetimes. I'm kidding about that previous lifetimes but I do get a very long list that drops down under the Location Bar. So what would be a better starting place for the above three settings? When I read the Help information for these preferences, I get the following impressions. Always remember visited pages for at least [__] days This means that, even if you exceed the number of visited pages or you have pages older than the number of days in the next specification, none younger than the specified number of days will be deleted. Remember visited pages for up to [__] days This means that pages older than the specified number of days will be automatically deleted. This is overridden by the previous specification. To make sense of this -- if I am correct -- the number of days in the first specification should be equal to or less than the number of days in the second specification. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 did not have this confusion. It merely had the single preference Remember visited pages for the last [__] days There were no preferences for the count of pages or for at least or up to. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Anti-Virus Suites Compatibility
On 11/23/2009 7:04 AM, Samuel S wrote: Hello all, I Am trying to figure out which anti-virus suites work well with SM. I Am currently using AVG, which settings are all geared towards IE and I cannot figure out how to change that. Then it came to mind to find out here, who uses what and a consensus is on the better suite. I was using Kaspersky, which was fine, I wanted to find if something else out there is just as good. TIA Bo1953 As I stated in another thread, I'm using AVG 8.5 Free Edition. Its Link Scanner claims to be effective with Firefox, which means it might also be effective with SeaMonkey. I'm not using SeaMonkey or Thunderbird for E-mail. I'm using 12-year-old Eudora Lite 3.0.6. AVG 8.5 has successfully found virus attachments in my E-mail. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Website problems
On 11/23/2009 1:45 PM, NoOp wrote [in part]: On 11/23/2009 07:13 AM, I previously wrote [also in part]: I would definitely NOT spoof permanently. Permanent spoofing tells the Web site developers that everything is okay when that is not true. Then, when someone complains that their site does not work with SeaMonkey, they say that no one uses SeaMonkey to access their site. Says David while using Thunderbird :-) I use Thunderbird as my newsgroup application because, when I switch SeaMonkey profiles, I don't want to lose my current newsgroup session. The reason for the 'NOT Firefox/someversion' has been discussed quite a lot in the past. The conclusion was to add it in that manner so that SeaMonkey would be recongnized, while at the same time by passing the Fx sniffing issue. If someone is gathering stats on their site they will/should see the SeaMonkey in the UA string. You assume that some human sees the logs. I'm only guessing, but I think that very rarely happens. When I spoof, I use the following UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0, NOT Firefox/3.5.3 The processing that summarizes the logs for human use is very likely to be similar to the processing that makes a server think I'm using Firefox. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML validator for SM 2.0
On 11/23/2009 11:17 AM, Steve B. wrote: Is there a version of Tidy or other HTML validator ready for Seamonkey 2.0? I tried Marc's version 0.858 which is supposed to run in Firefox but it would not install in SM 2.0 Steve Why not use the W3C validator at http://validator.w3.org/? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: FileEdit function in SM but not FF
On 11/25/2009 8:31 AM, Serge Popper wrote: As you guys who have helped me know, I'm not a technical person, just a fairly knowledgeable user. I like the Edit function in SM because I can copy items out of the URL's which have some sort of copy detent when viewed through the normal browser. When I click FileEdit on that page, I can copy whatever I want. I do not find this function on FF. Is it there? Thanks, Serge SeaMonkey is a suite of applications. One of the applications is Composer, which can be used to create Web pages. When you go to [File Edit] on the menu bar, the page opens in Composer. Firefox is a stand-alone browser. Composer is not part of it. There are many pages that attempt to block copying. Almost always, that is done through JavaScript. I have the PrefBar exension installed, on which I setup a checkbox to enable and disable JavaScript. When I want to copy from a page that blocks copying, I merely uncheck the box. I have yet to encounter a situation where this does not work. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Quicktime
On 11/25/2009 6:40 PM, Bush wrote: Cannot download Quicktime plugin Is this a Seamonkey problem or a window 7 problem ? swdlp.apple.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted. Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer) http://support.apple.com/downloads/#quicktime Try http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/. It did not give me a certificate error. On the other hand, I removed Quicktime more than a year ago. I was tired of having to upgrade to correct security vulnerabilities. The capabilities of Quicktime are found in a number of other applications that don't seem to have so many dangerous bugs. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 judged best!
On 11/27/2009 9:28 AM, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 26 novembre 2009, S. Beaulieu a écrit : http://blogues.cyberpresse.ca/technaute/dumais/?p=1006301 I thought SM2 would pass Acid3? The acid tests focus on how a browser reads and renders Web pages. The tests do not exercise user interface items such as menus, toolbars, or themes. They also do not exercise such managers as bookmarks, preferences, cookies, ad-ons, and passwords. Since the tests require a vanilla configuration, no extensions are allowed to assist a browser during a test. The page-rendering tasks for Mozilla-based browsers are performed by the Gecko core. Since SeaMonkey 2.0 and Firefox 3.5 use the same Gecko, any failure of an acid test by one of these browsers indicates the same failure by the other. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work
On 11/27/2009 9:51 AM, JAS wrote: Bush wrote: A US A site is not accessible with Seamonkey 2.0 http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ I am using Windows and XP PRO and SM2 and have browsed around the site with no problem. JAS This is an obvious case of faulty browser sniffing. When I go there with SM 2, I get a three-line display: Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a000d' Type mismatch: 'CDbl' /Frameworks\Classes\Browser.cls, line 134 When I go there spoofing Firefox 3.5.3, the page displays. This is bug #419907, submitted almost two years ago (27 Feb 08) and still not fixed. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419907. If you (JAS) can view this site okay with SeaMonkey, you are likely spoofing Firefox. If so, you are not helping to fix the problem because the server logs for that site do not indicate attempts to access via SeaMonkey. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work
On 11/27/2009 4:49 PM, JAS wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/27/2009 9:51 AM, JAS wrote: Bush wrote: A US A site is not accessible with Seamonkey 2.0 http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ I am using Windows and XP PRO and SM2 and have browsed around the site with no problem. JAS This is an obvious case of faulty browser sniffing. When I go there with SM 2, I get a three-line display: Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a000d' Type mismatch: 'CDbl' /Frameworks\Classes\Browser.cls, line 134 When I go there spoofing Firefox 3.5.3, the page displays. This is bug #419907, submitted almost two years ago (27 Feb 08) and still not fixed. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419907. If you (JAS) can view this site okay with SeaMonkey, you are likely spoofing Firefox. If so, you are not helping to fix the problem because the server logs for that site do not indicate attempts to access via SeaMonkey. Here is what I have: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 Lightning/1.0pre NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/2.0 The presence of Firefox/3.5 in the string causes the server to log your visit as if by the Firefox 3.5 browser. Unless a human scans through a multitude of raw data (unlikely), no one will know that you were actually using SeaMonkey 2.0. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work
On 11/27/2009 8:16 PM, Bush wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/27/2009 9:51 AM, JAS wrote: Bush wrote: A US A site is not accessible with Seamonkey 2.0 http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ I am using Windows and XP PRO and SM2 and have browsed around the site with no problem. JAS This is an obvious case of faulty browser sniffing. When I go there with SM 2, I get a three-line display: Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a000d' Type mismatch: 'CDbl' /Frameworks\Classes\Browser.cls, line 134 When I go there spoofing Firefox 3.5.3, the page displays. This is bug #419907, submitted almost two years ago (27 Feb 08) and still not fixed. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419907. If you (JAS) can view this site okay with SeaMonkey, you are likely spoofing Firefox. If so, you are not helping to fix the problem because the server logs for that site do not indicate attempts to access via SeaMonkey. As I stated when I created this post . Win Xp Home Seamonkey 1.1.18 Was able to access this site. --- Upgraded to Win 7 professional Seamonkey 2.0 Cannot access the site ... Both are the Same computer With SeaMonkey 1.1.18, I see the same error as with SeaMonkey 2.0. Bush: With SeaMonkey 1.1.18, go to your menu bar and select [Help About SeaMonkey]. Under the large-type link for SeaMonkey 1.1.18 at the top of the page, do you see the following: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 If you see anything different, please copy the entire string and paste it into a reply to this message. [I'm sorry if this appears posted twice. However, after almost 10 hours, my original posting of this reply did not appear in this thread.] -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work
On 11/27/2009 8:16 PM, Bush wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/27/2009 9:51 AM, JAS wrote: Bush wrote: A US A site is not accessible with Seamonkey 2.0 http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ I am using Windows and XP PRO and SM2 and have browsed around the site with no problem. JAS This is an obvious case of faulty browser sniffing. When I go there with SM 2, I get a three-line display: Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a000d' Type mismatch: 'CDbl' /Frameworks\Classes\Browser.cls, line 134 When I go there spoofing Firefox 3.5.3, the page displays. This is bug #419907, submitted almost two years ago (27 Feb 08) and still not fixed. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419907. If you (JAS) can view this site okay with SeaMonkey, you are likely spoofing Firefox. If so, you are not helping to fix the problem because the server logs for that site do not indicate attempts to access via SeaMonkey. As I stated when I created this post . Win Xp Home Seamonkey 1.1.18 Was able to access this site. --- Upgraded to Win 7 professional Seamonkey 2.0 Cannot access the site ... Both are the Same computer With SeaMonkey 1.1.18, I see the same error as with SeaMonkey 2.0. Bush: With SeaMonkey 1.1.18, go to your menu bar and select [Help About SeaMonkey]. Under the large-type link for SeaMonkey 1.1.18 at the top of the page, do you see the following: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 If you see anything different, please copy the entire string and paste it into a reply to this message. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Find in page (ctrl-F)
On 11/28/2009 11:20 AM, Ant wrote: Is there a way to uncheck the wrap by default in SeaMonkey v2? I rarely need to wrap. Thanks in advance. :) This is bug #505196. If you go to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505196, you will see that some argue this user-hostile default is an enhancement. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: donotcall.gov
On 11/28/2009 11:53 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Cannot view Donotcall.gov because of the following . And there are other sites that give me the same error What is causing this Seamonkey 2.0 or Win 7 pro _ donotcall.gov uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted. (Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer) Comes up with no problem here. Lee works4me.SM2 Macintosh For me too, both directly to donotcall.gov and via http://www.ftc.gov/. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 You may have corrupted your NSS database. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Enlarge/Decrease fonts sizes only on the fly?
On 11/29/2009 8:49 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:31:43 -0800, /Ant/: I noticed some web pages mess up when I use minimal font size like at 14 since my eye sights suck. :( I used to use PrefBar's font size and hotkeys (ctrl = and ctrl -), but they seem to increase and decrease zoom levels for the whole web pages in SM v2. Is there a way to do it only for font sizes and nothing else like images? Preferences: Appearance / Content [x] Zoom only text instead of full pages Note, this is a global and not per site setting. I thank you, too. I just tested SM 1.1.18. In that version, zooming only affected fonts. Thus, the default should have been to have the checkbox checked. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: EarthLink/Giganews usenet/newsgroup server asks me to log in twice in SeaMonkey v2's first time?
On 11/29/2009 5:34 PM, Ant wrote: http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8485/screenshotfi.gif on what I saw. This seems like a bug in SeaMonkey v2. You don't need an account either to reproduce it. Just set it up for nntp.earthlink.net server, restart SeaMonkey, and make it access this newsgroup/usenet server. I already tried deleting the old account and making a new one, but still get prompted twice. Is anyone else getting this? :( Thank you in advance. :) I was getting multiple requests for user ID and password in Tbird. I traced the problem to spurious accounts named news and news-1, created as a result of bug #41133. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41133#c8. This bug is open in Tbird 2.0.0.23 and is not marked as closed for Tbird 3.0. Since the Mail/News component of SeaMonkey 2.0 is based on the MailNews Core for pending Tbird 3.0, I suspect this problem exists in SeaMonkey 2.0. It appears that no effort is being made to close this bug. Getting rid of spurious accounts is a bother. First, I use Tbird (you would use SeaMonkey) to delete the account with the Account Settings window. Then I shut down Tbird and go to its profile. There, I delete the folders for the accounts and the .rc and .msf files for the accounts. Today, while I was no longer being requested for a user ID and password, I still saw a spurious account in my list of accounts. I finished the cleanup by using the Config Editor to delete preference variables for the accounts. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work
On 11/29/2009 5:40 PM, Bush wrote: Bush wrote: A US A site is not accessible with Seamonkey 2.0 http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ Here is the fix #1 uninstall seamonkey 2.x BETA #2 reinstall seamonkey 1.1.18 And the site is Viewable But wait for seamonket 2.5 to be released and try again . I get the problem with SeaMonkey 1.1.18. On the SeaMonkey 1.1.18 menu bar, select [Help About SeaMonkey]. Under the large-type link for SeaMonkey 1.1.18 at the top of the page, do you see the following: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 If you see anything different, please copy the entire string and paste it into a reply to this message. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work
On 11/29/2009 8:46 PM, Bush wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/29/2009 5:40 PM, Bush wrote: Bush wrote: A US A site is not accessible with Seamonkey 2.0 http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ Here is the fix #1 uninstall seamonkey 2.x BETA #2 reinstall seamonkey 1.1.18 And the site is Viewable But wait for seamonket 2.5 to be released and try again . I get the problem with SeaMonkey 1.1.18. On the SeaMonkey 1.1.18 menu bar, select [Help About SeaMonkey]. Under the large-type link for SeaMonkey 1.1.18 at the top of the page, do you see the following: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 If you see anything different, please copy the entire string and paste it into a reply to this message. SeaMonkey 1.1.18 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 Firefox/2.0.0.7 Okay, you spoofed your 1.1.18 profile to Firefox. That is the sole reason it works for you in 1.1.18 and not 2.0. Spoof 2.0 as Firefox, and it works too, as I have found. Your fix is ludicrous. You are letting your anger get the better of you. Lets take a deep breathe here. Lee I spoofed Nothing ... What is Spoof ? I had seamonket 1.1.18 and uninstalled it then I installed 2.0 Found it was a piece of Crap. So I uninstalled it And now I installed 1.1.18 again . Copied over the files I saved to DVD's prior to installing 2.0. I am Not Angry ... I love trying to Get a piece of Crap up and Running... But 2.0 is out of my Class . So how does one Get rid of this So called SPOOF ? Spoofing is how a user counteracts sniffing. For an explanation of sniffing, see my http://www.rossde.com/internet/Webdevelopers.html#sniff. For an explanation of spoofing, see my http://www.rossde.com/internet/intr_gloss.html#spoof. To summarize, you told http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ that you were using Firefox 2.0.0.7 when you were actually using SeaMonkey 1.1.18. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work
On 11/29/2009 10:07 PM, Bush wrote: Too bad I am Using Windows 7 professional... Now How did that error Happen ? As stated before . I know nothing about Spoofing... Its just that the method Both of you think is Accurate , IS in NO WAY accurate . Windows 7 Pro and Seamonkey 1.1.18 No Xp on my hard drive , I did a NEW INSTALL ( No Upgrade) of win 7 . and here is your So called spoofing results again SeaMonkey 1.1.18 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 Firefox/2.0.0.7 It's not an error. You had to have set a preference to say that you are using Firefox 2.0.0.7 on Windows XP (which is the meaning of Windows NT 5.1). ps... When I had Xp and Seamonkey 1.1.18 I was able to get into the Blm Website . and prior to win7 installation I NEVER installed The Firefox standalones on this computer . I first went to Blm site Way back in 2002 when I started Research on my Family History . I found my Grandfathers Homesteader property via that site and even printed out a copy of the Deed , So I guess I SPOOFED seamonkey to read as seamonkey 2.0 . SEVEN years before seamonkey 2.0 was released . Way back in 2002, the site had to be different. They upgraded (??) the site sometime in the past 7 years. You never noticed because, when that happened, you were already telling Web servers that you were using Firefox. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fedex Page does not load
On 11/30/2009 7:50 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: When trying to track a fedex shipment at: http://www.fedex.com/us/ a text only menu loads, and at the bottom of the window appears: Read images.fedex.com, the icon in the upper right shows motion but the page does not load. How to fix that? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke It's working for me. Clear your cache and try again. To clear your cache, go to the menu bar and select [Edit Preferences]. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Cache]. On the Cache pane, select the Clear Cache button and then the OK button. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
On 11/30/2009 6:35 PM, Bush wrote: Danny Kile wrote: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0. However, it did not work in Seamonkey 1.1.18 either. When looking and the program listing if you click on a show it will display a opening that show a description. However, in Seamonkey if just show a blank. The link is: http://www.tvguide.com/listings/default.aspx Works correctly here Seamonkey 1.1.18 Win7 pro Yes, but you have already shown us that you spoof Firefox even though you claim not to know what spoofing is. If you did not spoof Firefox in SM 1.1.18 it would not work. And if you did spoof Firefox in SM 2.0 it would work. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
On 11/30/2009 6:21 PM, Danny Kile wrote: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0. However, it did not work in Seamonkey 1.1.18 either. When looking and the program listing if you click on a show it will display a opening that show a description. However, in Seamonkey if just show a blank. The link is: http://www.tvguide.com/listings/default.aspx This is bug #330094. It was reported to the Mozilla community about 3-1/2 years ago, for Camino 1.0. Less than two weeks later, it was also noted to occur in a very early alpha version of SeaMonkey 2.0 (1.5a). About a month after this bug was reported, a duplicate bug reported the problem against Firefox 1.5.0.2. While the www.tvguide.com site has apparently been upgraded to work with Firefox, bug #330094 remains open since the site still fails to work with other Gecko browsers. The correct fix -- to sniff for Gecko and not for Firefox -- was never implemented. Someone who frequently visits the site (which is not me) should report the problem with a reference to http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Sardisson/Gecko_is_Gecko and to the bug report at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330094. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
On 12/1/2009 3:38 AM, David Wilkinson wrote: Bush wrote: Read my other post and you will see my wifes computer Has seamonkey 1.1.14 on it and the Tvguide site loads great ... The program discription works great . here is her ABOUT SEAMONKEY SeaMonkey 1.1.14 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.19) Gecko/20081204 SeaMonkey/1.1.14 The About SeaMonkey box reports what the browser actually is. The user-agent string is what the browser tells a web site that it is. If the user-agent string names FireFox, then many pages will display as they would in FireFox. No. If you go to the menu bar and select [Help About SeaMonkey], you get the user agent string that SeaMonkey currently sends to Web servers. In one of my profiles, [Help About SeaMonkey] shows Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 NOT Firefox/3.5.3 I use this profile only for those financial institutions that incorrectly sniff for Firefox instead of Gecko. Using the PrefBar extension in all of my profiles, I can make [Help About SeaMonkey] show the same Firefox spoof or show Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1) or Opera/9.10 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en) or Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/1.0.154.48 Safari/525.19 or even blank. Note that there is no about:SeaMonkey for the address area. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: code for wmv file to play as a link
On 11/30/2009 10:22 PM, George Chakonas wrote: HI, Im making a website with the a wmv file in the website. The link won't open the movie from the page but if I click on the wmv final in the folder it will open the movie what is the correct code i need to put after the wmv file to have it open in windows media player? Thanks again. _ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+gamesscope=cashbackform=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 You posted this as a reply to an unrelated thread. Please repost to start a new thread. Actually, you might want to post this in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html on a public news server. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
On 12/1/2009 1:36 PM, David Wilkinson wrote [in part]: I previously wrote [also in part]: Note that there is no about:SeaMonkey for the address area. What do you mean by this? I was concerned that some people might see the discussion of [Help About SeaMonkey] and assume that they can get the same information by entering about:SeaMonkey in the address area. There are a number of about:xxx displays for various values of xxx, one of which is about:config (mentioned earlier in this thread). However, about:SeaMonkey is not one of them. Yet [Help About Plugins] gives the same display as about:plugins. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
On 12/1/2009 10:17 PM, Bush wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Bush wrote: Bush wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Bush wrote: It is not that she is using SeaMonkey 1.1.14, but rather that the user agent string is apparently not spoofing FireFox (unlike yours, which does). Please follow what I said ... We both Can see what the other is seeing on those web sites ... They say hers is Not Spoofed with 1.1.14 And they say Mine is spoofed with 1.1.18 Both of our computer can See What Seamonkey 2.0 cannot See . I think there is a site called photobucket . I may just create an account and Upload Screen shots from Each Computer . Start up 2 incidents of seamokey 1.1.14 on my wifes computer . One page will have that TV guide site in the background and I will Shrink the 2nd incident with About seamonkey in Front of the TV guide page ... Do a Screen shot and Upload that Screen shot to Photobucket . And likewise Do the Same with my Computer That is runnung What they are saying as SPOOFED Ver 1.1.18 And put a link to Each screenshot here . This will be Done Tomorrow . Will this Satified All of YOU ? I am not saying I do not believe you. I am saying that I am puzzled by what you are reporting. Everybody else with an unaltered version of 1.x or 2.0 says the TVGuide site does not work correctly. When I had 2.0 om my computer I do not think I went to The TV guide site . But I did go to the blm site and IT did not view the site . I uninstalled 2.0 reinstalled 1.1.18 and I can view Both Sites . My Wife Has XP and seamonkey 1.1.14 And her computer Can View Both Sites .And the TV guide sit does show the info on the programs when I click it and the info is in a RED box that has a White background I view it the Same way on my computer as hers . I do have the Photobucket site Set up But I think u want to see my wifes computer Screenshot .. Her computer is in the Bedroom and I will be in Big trouble if I go in their and turn on the lights . I am going to Create a screen shot of my computer with the TVguide site and also the about seamonkey page .. The link will be in the next line I hope this works tomorrow I will do one from my wifes computer http://s261.photobucket.com/albums/ii69/willy48529/?action=viewcurrent=tvguide.jpg This may work better http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii69/willy48529/tvguide.jpg Sure, it shows your spoofed UA as FF 2.0.0.7, of course it works, that was never in question. Lee What does the seamonkey 2.0 about seamonkey Say ? Does it say Firefox or does it say Seamonkey or Mozilla... The problem is that, when Web servers sniff for the user agent (UA) string that identifies the browser, the software doing so fails to evaluate the context. That is, finding Firefox in the UA string is treated as if the browser is Firefox. Thus, my spoof Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0, NOT Firefox/3.5.3 is treated by the Web server as if I were using Firefox, ignoring both the NOT in front of the Firefox and the SeaMonkey. Only a human looking at the server's raw logs would notice that I'm really using SeaMonkey. I must guess, however, that raw server logs are rarely if ever seen by humans. You know what my UA string says. I know what it says. But the software on the Web server that is sniffing for the UA string doesn't know what the whole string says; it only knows that it found Firefox. You know your browser is SeaMonkey 1.1.18. From what I see of your toolbars, I believe you. But Web servers look at the UA string -- the line just below the very large SeaMonkey 1.1.18 -- and determine you are using Firefox 2.0.0.7. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
On 12/1/2009 11:34 PM, William Morrison wrote: I'd like to ask a question about what this discussion is going on about. Is it possible for someone to download a copy of any version of Seamonkey that already has a spoof edited into it, thus causing it to report something other than the actual version it is? No. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this a SM2.0 bug?
On 12/2/2009 2:00 AM, robert.ga...@att.net wrote: You can select your default Browser Starting Page in SM2.0 as in all previous versions. However, if you use the Switch Profile tool and SeaMonkey is closed from the new profile, your Browser Starting Page preference is not honored the next time you start SeaMonkey. Instead, the page on display at the time of switching profiles is used. Now that could be considered a feature but to me seems a bug. If this is by intent, there should be a method to turn on/off this feature in Preferences. I've even had closed tabs reopen. This is bug #525242. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525242. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Timeline for Release of Seamonkey 2.x?
On 12/2/2009 8:13 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: mcjathan wrote: Just curious, is there a planned timeline for the next release of Seamonkey 2.x? No. It will be released when it's ready. For 2.1, we probably will target next summer, but nothing is sure at this point. Of course, 2.0.x updates will come roughly every 6-8 weeks, in sync with the Firefox 3.5.x updates, the next one is 2.0.1 and scheduled for December 15 or 16. Robert Kaiser Will any bugs pecurliar to SeaMonkey be fixed? Will any bugs be fixed other than security bugs? Will any bugs be fixed other than those fixed in Gecko for Firefox? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Sniffing and Spoofing
Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. These are just more examples of errors being asserted in a Gecko browser when the real problem are invalid sniffing for UA strings by Web servers. These problems are not new. Tracking bug #334967 for these problems was written on 21 Apr 2006. The earliest bug tracked by #334967 was bug #166261, written on 2 September 2002 and now closed. Novice users of SeaMonkey and other non-Firefox browsers that use Gecko are often confused about what sniffing and spoofing are. This was readily noticed in the two threads cited above, where one user repeatedly claimed that he could not be spoofing because he didn't even know what that meant. He very strongly stated that SeaMonkey 2.0 was broken but SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was not because he could view two web sites with the latter but not with the former. When instructed how to report his UA strings for both versions of SeaMonkey in mozilla.support.seamonkey, it was seen that his SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was spoofing Firefox 2.0.0.7. When he migrated to SeaMonkey 2.0, the user-set preference variable to continue such spoofing was not included. The problem is usually attributed to invalid sniffing for Firefox when Web servers should sniff for Gecko. The real problem is that servers should not sniff at all. Interesting, informative, entertaining, aesthetically pleasing Web sites can be created that can be appropriately viewed by any modern browser without sniffing, providing those sites fully comply with the W3C specifications. To deal with this issue, I suggest the following: 1. Every detected instance of invalid sniffing must result in a bug report blocking bug #334967. Documenting the problem via Bugzilla makes it easier to communicate the problem to the Web site owner. 2. Today, much sniffing still excludes Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and Chrome let alone non-Firefox Gecko browsers. When dealing with a bug report tracked by bug #334967, Web site owners should be strongly urged not to sniff at all because sniffing is excluding potential audiences for their sites. 3. When helping users to defeat invalid sniffing, they should be advised to treat spoofing as a temporary measure. Permanent sniffing lends credence to assertions by Web developers that Firefox is the only Gecko browser visiting their sites and that no one uses SeaMonkey. Extensions such as PrefBar or User Agent Switcher should be recommended because they revert the UA string back to the browser's true UA when terminating or starting. Further, any spoofing must include the actual SeaMonkey UA string with Firefox mere added; this is required so that humans reviewing raw server logs will see that SeaMonkey is an actual browser visiting their Web sites. 4. Users must be urged to contact the site owner with a complaint about invalid sniffing, referring both to the bug report and to Gecko is Gecko at http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Sardisson/Gecko_is_Gecko. 5. Management at both the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation should make similar contacts via postal mail with executives of the companies and agencies whose Web sites are causing problems. (Many executives are still more responsive to postal mail than to E-mail.) Such contacts to U.S. companies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA); contacts with U.S. federal agencies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1986 (as amended in 1998). 6. If any complaint (#4 or #5 above) results in a response that no one uses SeaMonkey, the responder should be asked to review the raw server logs to see if SeaMonkey appears among the UA strings (see #3 above). -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
On 12/2/2009 5:09 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I previously wrote [in part]: Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See SeaMonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in SeaMonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. I can view the the TVGuide site with no problem and I do not have any spoofing set up. I can not view the Government site in SM 2 as I do not have any spoofing set. as shown here: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 The issue was not about viewing the TV Guide home page. It was about viewing individual scheduled programs. I haven't tried the TV Guide site myself. I merely followed the discussion. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
On 12/2/2009 7:53 PM, Paul wrote: David E. Ross wrote: (snip) A great idea but getting millions of webmasters to change billions of web sites could be a problem. Many sites that sniff for a UA string do so for specific versions. That is, they sniff for Firefox/3 and not for merely Firefox. When Firefox 4.0 is someday released, they will have to go through some site maintenance. Today, many of them are just now starting to sniff for Chrome. And every time they change a Web page, they must change for all the different browsers for which they are sniffing. Sniffing thus increases the overall maintenance effort for a Web site. There might be some upfront cost for creating a single set of Web pages (both HTML/XHTML and CSS) that have acceptable appearance for all modern browsers in place of multiple sets, one for each browser. In the long run, the cost of maintenance will drop significantly. If the pages are W3C-compliant, no new cost would be required when a new browser enters the market. Web site maintenance costs driven by outside circumstances -- by browser developers -- would be eliminated. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How far back was it??? (((was Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0)))
On 12/4/2009 9:11 PM, Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/30/2009 6:21 PM, Danny Kile wrote: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0. However, it did not work in Seamonkey 1.1.18 either. When looking and the program listing if you click on a show it will display a opening that show a description. However, in Seamonkey if just show a blank. The link is: http://www.tvguide.com/listings/default.aspx This is bug #330094. It was reported to the Mozilla community about 3-1/2 years ago, for Camino 1.0. Less than two weeks later, it was also noted to occur in a very early alpha version of SeaMonkey 2.0 (1.5a). About a month after this bug was reported, a duplicate bug reported the problem against Firefox 1.5.0.2. Your jokingSM 1.5a (2.0) was being developed three and a half years ago!!! This must have been back in the SM 1.0 days, or earlier!! Daniel No joke. Actually, it's quite sad. Bug #330094 was originally written 10 March 2006 against Camino 1.0. Later on that same date, it was updated to report the same problem with Firefox. Bug #331019 was written on 19 March 2006, reporting the same problem in Firefox 1.5.0.1. This was immediately determined to be a duplicate of bug #330094, which caused the latter's Product to be changed from Camino to Core (i.e., Gecko). On 10 October 2007, it was finally determined that bug #330094 is not a Mozilla problem but is actually a problem within http://online.tvguide.com/listings/. The Product was changed from Core to Tech Evangelism. So this problem was first noted 3-1/2 years ago and was finally found to be a TV Guide problem 2 years ago. I don't use the TV Guide site, so I haven't communicated the problem to them. Has anyone else tried to bring this to the attention of TV Guide? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Domains and IP Addresses
Does SeaMonkey cache the translation from a domain name to an IP address? If so, how can I clear that cache? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Won't Display .htm file
On 12/8/2009 5:59 PM, Sqwertz wrote: http://sqwertzme.googlepages.com/JunThai.htm It says it's a Seamonkey document and asks if I want to use the default application to open it. It then downloads it into the SM temp directory and displays it there. Did Google do something to way the page is served (I know Googlepages is obsolete), or has SM behavior changed? I am the owner/author of the page. To create it, I just exported the collection to a Web Document from MS Office (Word). It's worked for the last 2 years until now. -sw The W3C validator guessed the page is XHTML and reported 2243 XHTML errors. If I force the validator to assume the page is HTML 4.0 Transitional, it then reports 1072 HTML errors. GIGO (garbage in = garbage out) Prior versions of the Gecko rendering engine might have been programmed to guess what your page meant and displayed it in a form you found acceptable. The current version of Gecko may have been programmed to guess differently. I have confirmed that SeaMonkey 2.0 will indeed load and properly display a file with the .htm extension. That is, it will do so if the file has a !Doctype declaration at the beginning. When I tried IE 7, I got an error popup that said Your current security settings do not allow this file to be downloaded. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Won't Display .htm file
On 12/9/2009 5:34 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote: Sqwertz wrote: http://sqwertzme.googlepages.com/JunThai.htm It says it's a Seamonkey document and asks if I want to use the default application to open it. It then downloads it into the SM temp directory and displays it there. Did Google do something to way the page is served (I know Googlepages is obsolete), or has SM behavior changed? I am the owner/author of the page. To create it, I just exported the collection to a Web Document from MS Office (Word). It's worked for the last 2 years until now. -sw For me, it does the same thing (Save as file) in IE8 and Firefox 3.5.5. One way to get it to display normally is to add the following as the first line of the file: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN That needs at least a closing . -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0, support for html attributes 'ALT' and 'TITLE'
On 12/11/2009 3:48 AM, Lucas Levrel wrote: Is there a way to adjust the duration of the tooltips? (BTW: I can't find the about:config item corresponding to the Show Tooltips setting.) browser.chrome.toolbar_tips -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.01 not opening home page with browser startup
On 12/12/2009 1:08 PM, Margo Guda wrote: Hello, I just updated SM to 2.01 and so far, most of my add-ons seem to be working fine. However I have one issue: when I start a browser it's supposed to load a set of tabs as my home page. Even though the setting is correct in preferences this does not happen; instead, just one tab is loaded, and it is a blank page. What could cause this, and what can I do to get the proper startup behavior? Thanks in advance. Margo Guda. By any chance, do you switch back and forth between profiles? If so, this might be bug #525242. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525242. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Cannot Install Extension
I downloaded the adblock_plus-1.1.2.xpi file of the new AdBlock Plus 1.1.2 extension from its Web site, which I indeed trust, onto my hard drive. The Add-on Manager won't let me install it. I have set the preference in [Advanced Software Installation] to Allow Web sites to install extensions and updates. I get an error popup with the message: SeaMonkey could not install the file at file://D:/downloads/software/adblock_plus-1.1.2.xpi because: Signing could not be verified. -260 How can I install this extension? Does this mean that I will be blocked from installing extensions from my accumulated archive of .xpi files even when they are compatible with SeaMonkey 2? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot Install Extension
On 12/13/2009 12:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote: I downloaded the adblock_plus-1.1.2.xpi file of the new AdBlock Plus 1.1.2 extension from its Web site, which I indeed trust, onto my hard drive. The Add-on Manager won't let me install it. I have set the preference in [Advanced Software Installation] to Allow Web sites to install extensions and updates. I get an error popup with the message: SeaMonkey could not install the file at file://D:/downloads/software/adblock_plus-1.1.2.xpi because: Signing could not be verified. -260 How can I install this extension? Does this mean that I will be blocked from installing extensions from my accumulated archive of .xpi files even when they are compatible with SeaMonkey 2? Correction: I cannot install the extension in the profile where I had previously done a global install of AdBlock Plus 1.1.1. I removed that prior version from all my profiles, including the profile where I had done the global installation; but I cannot now install 1.1.2. Apparently, something was left over from 1.1.1. For what should I be looking? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Redbox.com doesn't like SeaMonkey v2?
On 12/13/2009 2:37 PM, Ant wrote: Hello. Is it me or does http://www.redbox.com/ not like SeaMonkey unless I change its UserAgent to Firefox v2/v3? I get an error: XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://www.redbox.com/ Line Number 203, Column 89:a href=http://www.redbox.com/Titles/AvailableTitles.aspx#GenregenreID=1020; style=float: right;More Movies/a ^ Thank you in advance. :) Yes, you have hit another case of invalid sniffing. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Redbox.com doesn't like SeaMonkey v2?
On 12/13/2009 2:47 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 12/13/2009 2:37 PM, Ant wrote: Hello. Is it me or does http://www.redbox.com/ not like SeaMonkey unless I change its UserAgent to Firefox v2/v3? I get an error: XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://www.redbox.com/ Line Number 203, Column 89:a href=http://www.redbox.com/Titles/AvailableTitles.aspx#GenregenreID=1020; style=float: right;More Movies/a ^ Thank you in advance. :) Yes, you have hit another case of invalid sniffing. This is now bug #534550. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534550. Ant: Please communicate to RedBox that they have a problem. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Redbox.com doesn't like SeaMonkey v2?
On 12/13/2009 3:07 PM, Ant wrote: Is it me or does http://www.redbox.com/ not like SeaMonkey unless I change its UserAgent to Firefox v2/v3? I get an error: XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://www.redbox.com/ Line Number 203, Column 89:a href=http://www.redbox.com/Titles/AvailableTitles.aspx#GenregenreID=1020; style=float: right;More Movies/a ^ Thank you in advance. :) Yes, you have hit another case of invalid sniffing. [grumbles] I just sent an e-mail to questi...@redbox.com (I'd suggest we all do too) and reported it via Web site reporter. I also sent a message to the same E-mail address. I concluded the message with the following paragraph: Of course, if your Web site would only comply with the internationally accepted W3C specifications for Web pages, you should not find it necessary to sniff. Unfortunately, you do not comply. Your home page has 27 XHTML errors and 11 CSS errors. This lack of compliance with the specifications for Web pages might make your Web site inaccessible to specialized browsers used by handicapped and disabled individuals; since this is a commercial Web site, that might make RedBox liable under the Americans with Disabilities Act. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Home Page
My home page is my bookmark file. I have moved the Home button from my Personal toolbar to my Navigation toolbar. I am blocking all unrequested popups. Sometimes, if I click on the Home button after browsing a Web page, I get a popup asking if I want to make that Web page my home page. Why is this happening with SeaMonkey 2? I never saw this with SeaMonkey 1. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Redbox.com doesn't like SeaMonkey v2?
On 12/13/2009 5:18 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 12/13/2009 2:37 PM, Ant wrote: Hello. Is it me or does http://www.redbox.com/ not like SeaMonkey unless I change its UserAgent to Firefox v2/v3? I get an error: XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://www.redbox.com/ Line Number 203, Column 89:a href=http://www.redbox.com/Titles/AvailableTitles.aspx#GenregenreID=1020; style=float: right;More Movies/a ^ Thank you in advance. :) Yes, you have hit another case of invalid sniffing. The only thing I see it really affect the first item overlaps the red Margin and if I switch from 12 point as minimum font size to no minimum work perfect. everything else, all the other links click on and go to properly drawn pages. Is it possible that the presence of Lightning before SeaMonkey in your UA string somehow causes sniffing to give a different result? Or it might be the fact that your platform being a Mac causes sniffing to be different? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Redbox.com doesn't like SeaMonkey v2?
On 12/13/2009 11:03 PM, Ant wrote: On 12/13/2009 3:17 PM PT, David E. Ross typed: On 12/13/2009 2:47 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 12/13/2009 2:37 PM, Ant wrote: Hello. Is it me or does http://www.redbox.com/ not like SeaMonkey unless I change its UserAgent to Firefox v2/v3? I get an error: XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://www.redbox.com/ Line Number 203, Column 89:a href=http://www.redbox.com/Titles/AvailableTitles.aspx#GenregenreID=1020; style=float: right;More Movies/a ^ Thank you in advance. :) Yes, you have hit another case of invalid sniffing. This is now bug #534550. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534550. Ant: Please communicate to RedBox that they have a problem. RedBox replied: From: questi...@redbox.com To: ant Date: 14 Dec 2009 00:37:09 -0600 Subject: re:redbox Hello, Thank you for your e-mail. Your comments, suggestions business are important to us. I will share the information you have provided with the appropriate parties. If you have any additional questions, comments, or concerns, please let us know and anyone in customer service would be more than happy to assist you. Thank you, -Santos Redbox Customer Care 1.866.REDBOX3 www.redbox.com I got the same reply. I don't use RedBox. Thus, I'm putting the burden on you (Ant). If this is not fixed within the next two weeks or so, send a letter to the CEO of the company. Don't be too technical, but point out (1) they are excluding a portion of their potential customer base and (2) they are risking a lawsuit under the ADA. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: About SeaMonkey?
On 12/14/2009 12:59 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote: Does the About Seamonkey page update when you upgrade to 2.0.1? Mine says 2.0 and when I check for update I get No updates Available. The build information is; Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 Lightning/1.0b1pre SeaMonkey/2.0 The [Help About SeaMonkey] page reflects the current version, whatever that version is. Of course, you can change what SeaMonkey thinks its version is. That's called spoofing. Updates can be made automatic. On your menu bar, go to [Edit Preferences]. On the left side of the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Install]. On the Software Installation pane, select the checkbox (to put a check mark there) for SeaMonkey under Automatically check for updates to:. Indicate how often you want to check. I'm not sure, but I think automatic updates of an end-user version of SeaMonkey will only occur when there is a new end-user version. That is, with the UA string you show in your message (an end-user version), you won't automatically get nightlies, alphas, betas, or release candidates. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to remove bookmarks folder from personal toolbar
On 12/16/2009 7:36 AM, William Greenwood wrote: After upgrading to 2.0.1 the bookmarks folder shows up on my Personal Toolbar. How do I get rid of it? Anywhere on the NAVIGATION toolbar (not the Personal toolbar), right-click. Select Customize from the drop-down context menu. Drag the button from the Personal toolbar and drop it into the Customize Toolbar window. NOTE: For some reason, you might not get Customize in the context menu if your cursor is over the Back or Forward buttons on the Navigation toolbar. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Security Update
On 12/15/2009 7:28 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.1 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Release Notes. Note: All SeaMonkey 1.x and old Mozilla or Netscape suite users are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0.x by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2009-12-15 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.1 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator I aleady have SeaMonkey 2.0 installed on Windows XP. Via FTP, I see seamonkey-2.0-2.0.1.partial.mar at 1.2 MB and seamonkey-2.0.1.complete.mar at 13.6 MB. What is the difference? If I download one of these to archive, how do I install it on Windows XP from my hard drive? I also see SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.1.exe at 10.6 MB. Why is seamonkey-2.0.1.complete.mar 3 MB larger? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 update
On 12/16/2009 3:31 PM, taz043 wrote: When I opened SeaMonkey this afternoon it started automatically to update itself to 2.01. How do I shut off automatic updating? I don't want any software to update itself without asking me first. taz On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit Preferences]. In the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Install]. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the checkboxes under Updates. Unlike some other update capabilities, however, you will then no longer get even a notice about updates. For SeaMonkey itself, updates are announced in this newsgroup. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: add-on signing error, Adblock Plus from AMO
On 12/16/2009 8:55 PM, »Q« wrote: This may be peculiar to my setup -- I'm using SeaMonkey 2.0, built with Gentoo's script. I'll try the Gentoo folks if I can't get this worked out here, but I thought I'd try you first. Trying to install Adblock Plus 1.1.2 gives me a Signing could not be verified error. It's the same whether I try to install AdBlock Plus 1.1.2 by clicking Add to SeaMonkey from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/1865 or if I try to do it through the Add-ons Manager or if I download it from AMO then try to install it by dragging my copy to the browser. Here's a screenshot of the error, from trying to install it via the Add-ons Manager: http://remarqs.net/misc/sm-addon-error.png Searching for this error brought up a lot of Firefox references, but none had to do with installing stuff from AMO, where I'd expect the certs to be all ok. On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit Preferences]. On the Preferences window, select [Privacy Security Certificates] in the left (Category) area. On the Certificates pane, select the Manage Certificates button. On the Certificate Manager window, select the Authorities tab. Scroll down about 2/3 of the way, to StartCom Ltd. Under StartCom Ltd., you will see two certificates: StartCom Certification Authority and Free SSL Certification Authority. I don't remember which certificate was the one that AdBlock Plus requires. Try Free SSL Certification Authority first. Select that entry. Select the Edit button. If there is no check for This certificate can identify software makers., select the checkbox. Exit by selecting the OK buttons. If that doesn't work, do the same for the other StartCom certificate. Note: There should already be a check for StartCom Certification Authority for This certificate can identify software makers. That is the way Mozilla has configured the certificate database. However, if you check that for Free SSL Certification Authority, safety considerations indicate you should clear the check after AdBlock Plus is installed. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How do I reduce the header width??
On 12/17/2009 12:57 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:53:55 +0100, David E. Ross wrote: Try the Compact Headers extension from Mozdev. Go to http://compactheader.mozdev.org/. Why? For what purpose? The Compact Headers extension reimplements the compact view which was removed from TB3 but we still have and never removed. Phil Since I use Thunderbird as my news reader, I didn't know that SeaMonkey's Mail/News still had one-line headers. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Redbox.com doesn't like SeaMonkey v2?
On 12/21/2009 9:48 AM, Ant wrote: On 12/20/2009 10:52 PM PT, David E. Ross typed: I don't use RedBox. Thus, I'm putting the burden on you (Ant). If this is not fixed within the next two weeks or so, send a letter to the CEO of the company. Don't be too technical, but point out (1) they are excluding a portion of their potential customer base and (2) they are risking a lawsuit under the ADA. I will definitely check in a week or so when I am on Christmas break to rent some DVDs. ;) It looks like this issue is resolved. :) I still see the problem. Is it possible you are spoofing Firefox? Nope, using real User Agent. No problems again when I checked. I am using Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1. Ah. Now it's working. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Redbox.com doesn't like SeaMonkey v2?
On 12/21/2009 8:51 AM, chicagofan wrote: Ant wrote: On 12/14/2009 8:56 PM PT, Ant typed: I don't use RedBox. Thus, I'm putting the burden on you (Ant). If this is not fixed within the next two weeks or so, send a letter to the CEO of the company. Don't be too technical, but point out (1) they are excluding a portion of their potential customer base and (2) they are risking a lawsuit under the ADA. I will definitely check in a week or so when I am on Christmas break to rent some DVDs. ;) It looks like this issue is resolved. :) It's working for me now too! Love it when sites respond to e-mail requests! :) bj Yes. I wish the Vanguard Group (mutual funds) would be so accommodating. They insist that Gecko is NOT Gecko and that they support Firefox but not SeaMonkey. Worse, they even lock out SeaMonkey when I spoof Firefox with SeaMonkey still in the UA string. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Redbox.com doesn't like SeaMonkey v2?
On 12/21/2009 12:33 PM, Ant wrote: On 12/21/2009 11:35 AM PT, David E. Ross typed: I don't use RedBox. Thus, I'm putting the burden on you (Ant). If this is not fixed within the next two weeks or so, send a letter to the CEO of the company. Don't be too technical, but point out (1) they are excluding a portion of their potential customer base and (2) they are risking a lawsuit under the ADA. I will definitely check in a week or so when I am on Christmas break to rent some DVDs. ;) It looks like this issue is resolved. :) I still see the problem. Is it possible you are spoofing Firefox? Nope, using real User Agent. No problems again when I checked. I am using Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1. Ah. Now it's working. Did you change something since last time? I cleared my cache. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Redbox.com doesn't like SeaMonkey v2?
On 12/21/2009 3:05 PM, Lemuel Johnson wrote: David E. Ross wrote: /snip/ Yes. I wish the Vanguard Group (mutual funds) would be so accommodating. They insist that Gecko is NOT Gecko and that they support Firefox but not SeaMonkey. Worse, they even lock out SeaMonkey when I spoof Firefox with SeaMonkey still in the UA string. That's odd. I've never had any problem with Vanguard. To confirm, I just went to vanguard.com, clicked on Go to the Site under Personal Investors, logged in and accessed my account info. No spoofing, no extensions. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 Lem Johnson This is bug #417955, which I first submitted almost two years ago. (See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=417955.) I have communicated with Vanguard several times since then about this, but they refuse to accept that Gecko is Gecko. The problem is getting worse, not better. Now they tell me that the reason their server stops responding after I've downloaded about half of a 500 KB form is because I'm using SeaMonkey. Someone must have actually looked at the raw server logs because I was spoofing Firefox at the time. No, I don't have trouble accessing the current state of my account even when I don't spoof. But I can't get tax forms without spoofing Firefox. I think they are changing CEO the first of next year. I will write a postal letter to the new CEO then. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: off line view of web sites
On 12/24/2009 2:37 PM, Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/24/2009 9:35 AM, Danny Kile wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JeffM wrote: Danny Kile wrote: I use a program called Local Website Archive. http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm I find it fascinating that the website for a company in that business doesn't pass muster: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm 5 Errors Compare: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modified.html Who says that Company Web Designers (whether in house or paid) pay one whit attention about W3C specifications. Granted the ones the are here have had it hammered in their head. I'd be very surprised if MS, Adobe, Intuit if you were check theirs would be. 5 error is not a heck of a lot. On my own site I've spent literally months (not every day and not every minute) re working mine to be W#C compliant to at least XML (XHTML) 1.0. Transitional spec. And I still not sure I've go everything. I checked Mocrosoft.com, cnn.com, tvguide.com, weather.com, adobe.com and uweather.com thet all had hundreds of errors. All their site seem to work just fine, so much for validator. I did mozilla.org and it was the only site that passed. Danny So much for validator? The validator checks to see if the code that makes up the HTML/CSS is correct. If it's not correct, it generates a validation warning/error. If it's not correct, it's not correct. There are no two way about this. The fact that a web site appears to function correctly doesn't mean the HTML/CSS has no problems. Some problems can be big and some can be small. Some will affect only certain browsers, some will affect only certain parts of the application, etc. Are you really saying that if the site appears to work to your standards even with validation errors, that the validator has no value? Some Web pages cannot be appropriately displayed by Gecko browsers. Although Gecko browsers might possibly now hold a greater share of the market than IE, there are still Web authors using Micro$oft tools to create pages. When complaining to the site's owner (who is not necessarily the author), citing the W3C specifications and the number of errors found by W3C validators can provide excellent support for the complaint. Errors found by the validator might indicate that the site is inaccessible to the handicapped. If the Web site is based in the U.S. and is commercial, such inaccessibility violates the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA); this too is excellent support for the complaint. If the site is owned by a U.S. federal agency, inaccessibility means the site violates Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1986 (as amended in 1998), also excellent support for the complaint. From my personal experience, it is not necessary to prove that the Web site is actually inaccessible to the handicapped and violates either the ADA or Rehabilitation Act of 1986; I have obtained corrective action merely by suggesting there might be violations. There is another aspect to the W3C validators, both the HTML/XHTML validator and the CSS validator. When someone complains that there is a bug in Firefox or SeaMonkey because the browser fails to render a Web page appropriately, the complaint is easily dismissed when the validators find errors in the page. After all, garbage in does indeed often result in garbage out. (NOTE: When I say appropriately, I mean as the Web author intended.) -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tabs - Open links in New tab ?
On 12/29/2009 7:58 AM, DoctorBill wrote: DoctorBill wrote: I am using SM 1.1 and Windows XP SPS 2 I use Tab Browser Extension 2.1.2006031301 and love it. Normally when you want to open a LINK, you can right click on it and choose open Link in this Tab or Open Link in a new tab - NICE ! However, some web sites make you open the links in the same window - no choice! Is there some Key I can hold down while clicking that FORCES a new tab to open contrary to what the web site tries to force upon one ? Thank you. DoctorBill I had asked this several months ago. Sorry. Had to find it on the Internet as I had erased my msf file and started over - got too large. I guess from the answers that is is a script thing (whatever that is) and cannot be solved. As I remember, I was on a Hewlett Packard Printer Driver site and had to do the old I.E. thing of back and forward w/o the luxury of having many tabs open and switching around in them. If anyone has come up with something new, it would be nice. DoctorBill When the link is via JavaScript, I clone the tab and then left-click on the link. I clone via an extra PrefBar button -- Clone Tab at http://prefbar.mozdev.org/buttons.html#clonetab -- which is NOT in the installed PrefBar and which must instead be imported. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Trouble with PDF's
On 12/30/2009 2:20 PM, Tom Pamin wrote: I'm using SM 1.1.18 with Win7 64-bit. I keep getting an Adobe popup box with a question mark when I try to open pdf's in SM. What is causing this? If I reboot it works for awhile, then goes back to the question mark. Is it possible that it is something from Adobe Reader? The next time this happens, try using Adobe Reader to open a PDF file that you already have. First, double-click on the PDF file to see if it opens in Adobe Reader. If that works, then close the PDF file and then try to open it via the File menu on the Adobe Reader menu bar. Don't test it now. Wait until you have the problem again. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Request to Change Home Page
SeaMonkey 2.0.1 I moved the Home button from my Personal toolbar to the Navigation toolbar. Usually, selecting the Home button does indeed return me to my desired home page, which is my bookmarks file bookmarks.html. Sometimes, however, selecting the Home button results in a dialogue popup. The title bar on the popup is Set Home Page. The text is Do you want this document to be your new home page? Below the text are two buttons: Set Home Page and Cancel. I can't tell if the popup is an internal SeaMonkey item or generated by the Web page I'm leaving. My preferences are set Block unrequested popup windows. The sites that I'm leaving when I see this are not in my Allowed Sites list. Is anyone else seeing this? Is this a bug? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
Since I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 on my PC (Windows XP) and then upgraded to 2.0.1, I've noticed a significant increase in the size of my backups. Part of this increase results from the elimination of any option not to install the mail/news component of SeaMonkey; previously (e.g., for 1.1.18), I always omitted that component. However, part of the growth appears to be in other aspects of SeaMonkey. Today, I did the following comparison between SeaMonkey 1.1.18 and SeaMonkey 2.0.1: 1.1.18 2.0.1 Program Folder 24.6 MB 37.1 MB Most-Used Profile1.1 MB 10.0 MB For 1.1.18, I had installed the Mnenhy extension, which I did NOT install for 2.0.1. Otherwise the extensions are the same, except where newer versions were required for SeaMonkey 2.0. I noticed that my most-used profile in 2.0.1 contains four files each of which exceeds 1 MB in size. The largest file in the corresponding 1.1.18 profile was 240 KB. Not only does the larger footprint of SeaMonkey 2.0.1 generate larger backups, the backups take longer as does switching profiles. The delay in switching profiles while SeaMonkey reads 10 MB might be the cause of the loss in focus reported in bug #525611. (See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525611.) Would it be possible for future development of SeaMonkey to reduce the application's footprint? While disc space is not yet an issue -- I'm using less than 25% of the available space on my software hard drive -- the time to read SeaMonkey files is becoming noticeable. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
On 1/1/2010 5:51 AM, Philip Chee wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:53:57 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
I noticed that my most-used profile in 2.0.1 contains four files each of
which exceeds 1 MB in size. The largest file in the corresponding
1.1.18 profile was 240 KB.
You do not say what these four files are. It would also help if you were
to list the largest files in descending size order here.
Phil
Main Profile Directory
XUL.mfl 2.2 MB
places.sqlite 2.1 MB
XPC.mfl 1.9 MB
Profile Directory
\extensions\{d10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d}\chrome
adblockplus.jar 1.3 MB
I had AdBlock Plus installed in 1.1.18, but there was no adblockplus.jar
file.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
On 1/1/2010 9:06 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 1/1/2010 5:51 AM, Philip Chee wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:53:57 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
I noticed that my most-used profile in 2.0.1 contains four files each of
which exceeds 1 MB in size. The largest file in the corresponding
1.1.18 profile was 240 KB.
You do not say what these four files are. It would also help if you were
to list the largest files in descending size order here.
Phil
Main Profile Directory
XUL.mfl 2.2 MB
places.sqlite 2.1 MB
XPC.mfl 1.9 MB
Profile Directory
\extensions\{d10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d}\chrome
adblockplus.jar 1.3 MB
I had AdBlock Plus installed in 1.1.18, but there was no adblockplus.jar
file.
By the way, I have four different SeaMonkey profiles. Thus, the 8+
times increase in the size of each profile is indeed significant.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
On 1/1/2010 7:31 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: David E. Ross wrote: By the way, I have four different SeaMonkey profiles. Thus, the 8+ times increase in the size of each profile is indeed significant. Note also that since SM 2 does not replace SM 1 (it installs as a new program, and creates new profiles independent of the old ones), you've effectively doubled the space used by the SeaMonkeys even if SM 2 occupies no more space than SM 1. Until, of course, you uninstall SM 1 and remove its user profiles. I'm curious what backup system you're using that an extra 13 MB makes a noticeable difference. Mine backs up 30 GB every night while I'm asleep, and that would be a drop in the bucket. I'm using the WindowsXP backup ntbackup.exe. In rotation, I do a full backup of one and incremental backups of the other two: D-disc, C-disc excluding Windows, C-disc Windows only. I do this weekly along with a full backup of my system state. A full backup of my D-disc (mostly data) is 2 GB. A full backup of my C-disc (mostly software) without Windows is 3.9-4.0 GB. Windows is 4.4 GB. The system state is 1.1 GB. I let this run while eating dinner, usually on Tuesdays. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
On 1/1/2010 7:40 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 1/1/2010 7:31 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: David E. Ross wrote: By the way, I have four different SeaMonkey profiles. Thus, the 8+ times increase in the size of each profile is indeed significant. Note also that since SM 2 does not replace SM 1 (it installs as a new program, and creates new profiles independent of the old ones), you've effectively doubled the space used by the SeaMonkeys even if SM 2 occupies no more space than SM 1. Until, of course, you uninstall SM 1 and remove its user profiles. I'm curious what backup system you're using that an extra 13 MB makes a noticeable difference. Mine backs up 30 GB every night while I'm asleep, and that would be a drop in the bucket. I'm using the WindowsXP backup ntbackup.exe. In rotation, I do a full backup of one and incremental backups of the other two: D-disc, C-disc excluding Windows, C-disc Windows only. I do this weekly along with a full backup of my system state. A full backup of my D-disc (mostly data) is 2 GB. A full backup of my C-disc (mostly software) without Windows is 3.9-4.0 GB. Windows is 4.4 GB. The system state is 1.1 GB. I let this run while eating dinner, usually on Tuesdays. And as I indicated before, the issue is not merely backups. The size of just SeaMonkey 2.0.1 seems to slow the changing of profiles. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
On 1/1/2010 8:34 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:43:19 -0800, David E. Ross wrote: And as I indicated before, the issue is not merely backups. The size of just SeaMonkey 2.0.1 seems to slow the changing of profiles. Nothing to do with the size of the profile. The underlying gecko toolkit we are now based on doesn't actually support dynamic switching of profiles the way XPFE/SeaMonkey 1.x did. What we now do is to fake it by doing a silent restart into the selected profile. So what you are actually seeing is a very fast restart rather than a very slow profile switch. Phil It's not doing a very good job of it. See bug #525242 at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525242. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
On 1/1/2010 7:49 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:06:53 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
On 1/1/2010 5:51 AM, Philip Chee wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:53:57 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
I noticed that my most-used profile in 2.0.1 contains four files each of
which exceeds 1 MB in size. The largest file in the corresponding
1.1.18 profile was 240 KB.
You do not say what these four files are. It would also help if you were
to list the largest files in descending size order here.
Phil
Main Profile Directory
XUL.mfl 2.2 MB
In 1.x this file is in ...Local Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\profiles\profile name\
This file does not exist in any of my four SeaMonkey 1.1.18 profiles.
My profiles are all in C:\WINDOWS\Application Data.
However, there are XUL.mfl files in C:\Documents and
Settings\User\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\ . . . . I hope
these go away when I remove SeaMonkey 1.1.18 (except, of course, for the
2.0.1 default profile).
places.sqlite 2.1 MB
You could try vacuuming the places database.
What does that mean and how do I do it?
XPC.mfl 1.9 MB
XPCOM cache file. Toolkit applications(e.g. Firefox/Thunderbird) had
this for ages.
Profile Directory
\extensions\{d10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d}\chrome
adblockplus.jar 1.3 MB
I had AdBlock Plus installed in 1.1.18, but there was no adblockplus.jar
file.
In 1.1 Adblock Plus installs its jar file in the application
SeaMonkey/chrome/ directory.
Oops! I apparently removed AdBlock Plus from SeaMonkey 1.1.18. I don't
remember why or when.
I am resolved to remove SeaMonkey 1.1.18 soon, perhaps before the end of
January. I only keep it to compare with SeaMonkey 2.0.1 when I think
I've found a bug in the latter.
Yes, SeaMonkey 2.0.1 is better than 1.1.18. It's just that I want 2.x
to be perfect.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 Footprint
On 1/2/2010 7:16 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:17:14 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote: For users that are not techno nerds. what exactly does this procedure do. and does it damage anything you have setup in SM to make it work like you want. ? I've saved the code to try after I find out exactly what it does. Follow the links, Luke? http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/07/vacuum-your-firefox-databases-for-better-performance/ Since Firefox 3.0, bookmarks, history and most storage is kept in SQLite databases. Also, the default history time span was raised from 9 to 90 days as it became more discoverable and useful thanks to the awesome bar, so depending on your browsing habits it could represent some pretty large databases. As any other database, SQLite databases become fragmented over time and empty spaces appear all around. But, since there are no managing processes checking and optimizing the database, these factors eventually result in a performance hit. So, a good way to improve startup and some other bookmarks and history related tasks is to defragment and trim unused space from these databases. Phil With SeaMonkey 2.0.x, bookmarks are not yet in sqlite. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cookie Control
On 1/5/2010 6:00 AM, Rob C. wrote: BeeNeR wrote: Are there any plans to update the security of cookies to the settings that were available in 1.x SM? i.e. Preferences/Privacy Security/Cookies/Allow cookies based on privacy settings. Being able to have different levels of acceptance/denial of various cookies was, at least *I* though, a great idea. I agree. That one additional setting would help prevent me from having to take time out from some enjoyable web surfing, just to manually handle all the cookies thrown my way! Rob When I finally had winnowed the cookies to the set that was desired, I copied the files cookies.sqlite and cookies.sqlite-journal into files cookies.sqlite-backup and cookies.sqlite-journal-backup respectively. (I don't know if this was necessary for cookies.sqlite-journal, but I didn't want to analyze this.) I created a script that reversed this, copying the backup files over the corresponding source files. I run this script just before launching SeaMonkey. I have four SeaMonkey profiles. My script operates on two of them (both of which I had winnowed and created backups). A third profile is for guests; the same script merely deletes cookies.sqlite and cookies.sqlite-journal. The fourth profile is for certain financial sites that make logging-in complicated unless I leave their cookies alone; my script ignores that profile. (That fourth profile also always spoofs Firefox because the site owners refuse to acknowledge that Gecko is Gecko.) While this seems cumbersome, it addresses a missing capabilty of the Cookie Manager. Sometimes, I want to view a Web site in a manner different from the way I usually do. This causes established cookies to be changed, making that different view now the standard. By backing up my cookies and having the script restore from the backup, I can restore my desired default view. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cookie Control
On 1/5/2010 6:43 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/05/2010 06:23 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: NoOp wrote: On 01/05/2010 03:27 AM, BeeNeR wrote: Are there any plans to update the security of cookies to the settings that were available in 1.x SM? i.e. Preferences/Privacy Security/Cookies/Allow cookies based on privacy settings. Being able to have different levels of acceptance/denial of various cookies was, at least *I* though, a great idea. Perhaps you missed this thread? Disappointed in changes to cookie management SM 1.1.18 vs. 2.0RC1 The fact that something has been discussed a lot here does not mean the user community is satisfied with the outcome. Whether you're talking about the Form Manager or the Cookie Manager, there are a lot of people out here who miss the old functionality and want it back. You can say no until you're blue in the face, but that won't change what people want. If you recall the history of computer software, a lot of programs have lost market share or even failed entirely by telling the user he absolutely can't have what he wants and the programmers know better what he should have. Hell, this isn't even peculiar to software -- it's true for lots of products of all types. I keep meaning to upgrade to 1.1.18 for the security fixes, but I'm in no hurry to upgrade to a program that doesn't do important things that I've come to know and love in v. 1, and I certainly won't be out there promoting v. 2 to my friends by bragging about the lost features. You may not like it, but the truth is the truth, reality is what it is, and facts are stubborn things. These are features the users want. Cool your jets. That thread not only discusses the issue, but also provides links to the bug report(s) regarding the issue. If you recall, you actually commented on the thread - BeeNeR did not, and may have actually found the information in the thread helpful. For those too lazy to look up read the thread, here are the bug reports referenced: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362908 [Missing option to restrict third-party cookies] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349680#c13 [Allow sites to set cookies for the original site only missing from cookie preferences] and that last is marked as a duplicate of: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421494 [reimplement third party cookie blocking] Status:RESOLVED FIXED And no, I've no idea why it is marked as such. So rather than getting pissed off at me because I referred BeeNeR to the thread, feel free to review the bug(s) and figure out a solution if you are capable of doing so. The first two bug reports were closed as duplicates, eventually pointing to #421494. There was actually a code-change for that one that supposedly fixed the problem. However, implementing the fix apparently depends on fixing three other bugs: 436471, 441166, and 450450. When I open the Preferences window in SeaMonkey 2.0.1 and select [Privacy Security Cookies], I see Cookie Acceptance Policy with a choice among three radio buttons. One of those radio buttons is Allow cookies for the originating website only. To me, that means Don't allow third party cookies. Does this not work in SeaMonkey 2? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Address Not Found
On 1/6/2010 10:31 AM, Mike Jevtic wrote: After installing SM2 this afternoon I keep getting the following error message for good few WEB sites, which with SM1 I have had no problems at all Address Not Found www.ebay.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again. www.goggle.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again. www.royalmail.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again. netscape.aol.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again. any help would be appreciated, Mike I am seeing this problem rather often. After I dismiss the error popup, I retry the link. It usually works then. Instead of retrying, I can right-click on the link, select Copy link location, and paste the result into a DNS lookup tool I have. For links that I have visited recently but cannot be accessed by SeaMonkey, the tool always reports an IP address. I can then do a WhoIs on the IP address, which gives a result consistent with the Web page I was trying to reach. Thus, it seems to be a problem with how SeaMonkey interfaces with the Internet or interfaces with WindowsXP as an intermediary for interfacing with the Internet. That is, it's likely a Gecko or Toolkit problem. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is SM a dying product?
On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote: JeffM jef...@email.com wrote : Devils_Advocate wrote: I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey, then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again. I note that you didn't give an example URL. http://www.efax.com/help/faq There are a lot of bozos who are putting up Web pages but who have NO IDEA what they are doing. The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page: http://validator.w3.org/ Feed in the URL of the page with problems. You should see something like this http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/ **Passed** and not like this http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors At that point, you will know where to place the blame. 26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors I get a mostly blank page. There is a logo in the top-left corner, the text English | United States [ Change ] in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the bottom. If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my preference set to allow only images from the current page's server. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is SM a dying product?
On 1/9/2010 5:55 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote: JeffM jef...@email.com wrote : Devils_Advocate wrote: I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey, then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again. I note that you didn't give an example URL. http://www.efax.com/help/faq There are a lot of bozos who are putting up Web pages but who have NO IDEA what they are doing. The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page: http://validator.w3.org/ Feed in the URL of the page with problems. You should see something like this http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/ **Passed** and not like this http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors At that point, you will know where to place the blame. 26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors I get a mostly blank page. There is a logo in the top-left corner, the text English | United States [ Change ] in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the bottom. If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my preference set to allow only images from the current page's server. By the way, I don't think this is a sniffing problem because I got the same result while spoofing Firefox 3.5.6. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is SM a dying product?
On 1/9/2010 5:58 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 1/9/2010 5:55 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote: JeffM jef...@email.com wrote : Devils_Advocate wrote: I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey, then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again. I note that you didn't give an example URL. http://www.efax.com/help/faq There are a lot of bozos who are putting up Web pages but who have NO IDEA what they are doing. The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page: http://validator.w3.org/ Feed in the URL of the page with problems. You should see something like this http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/ **Passed** and not like this http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors At that point, you will know where to place the blame. 26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors I get a mostly blank page. There is a logo in the top-left corner, the text English | United States [ Change ] in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the bottom. If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my preference set to allow only images from the current page's server. By the way, I don't think this is a sniffing problem because I got the same result while spoofing Firefox 3.5.6. Oops! It is a sniffing problem. I get a To enter portal, click here line (with a link) when I spoof IE 7. Selecting that link gives me the FAQ. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image permissions
On 1/11/2010 12:14 AM, Rex wrote: Today I thought I'll try out the 'accept images from originating server only' (although I already use adblock). I opened my Twitter page, and all the user profile pics were blocked. Found that they were coming from a0, a1, a2, a3.twimg.com Now the problem is that the image permissions window forces you to specify the full URL of each subdomain separately. Can we have wildcard support in a future release, eg always block *.doubleclick.net, or always allow *.twimg.com ? This is bug #78104. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78104. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image permissions
On 1/11/2010 10:03 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/11/2010 12:14 AM, Rex wrote: Today I thought I'll try out the 'accept images from originating server only' (although I already use adblock). I opened my Twitter page, and all the user profile pics were blocked. Found that they were coming from a0, a1, a2, a3.twimg.com Now the problem is that the image permissions window forces you to specify the full URL of each subdomain separately. Can we have wildcard support in a future release, eg always block *.doubleclick.net, or always allow *.twimg.com ? This is bug #78104. Seehttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78104. Interesting Bug (I find it funny that the Bugzilla page shows 291 warnings using the HTML Validator extension) I'm finding so far the only two pages that appear to be correct is Mozilla's Home Page and my website. While the W3C validator reported 14 warnings (not 291) for the cited bug report, it did not find any HTML errors. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Wallet Preference Variables
In my user.js file, I have set wallet.crypto and wallet.crypto.autocompleteoverride both to True. From various comments in this newsgroup, I get the impression that Wallet is no longer used. Are these preference variables still recognized? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0.1: Still Getting Random Set as Default Home Page
On 1/12/2010 9:34 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Sqwertz wrote: Nobody else is seeing this behavior? I didn't get any sympathizers last time I posted this. Sometimes when I press the Home Button (which has been moved to the navigation bar, if that matters), a dialog pops up that asks me if I want to set the new home page as the default. (...) According to the SM documentation the only shortcut for this action is to: Tip: To specify your home page quickly, drag the bookmark icon image of bookmark icon from the Location Bar to the Home Page button on the Personal Toolbar. Maybe Seamonkey is intercepting some errant VNC event. But I don't see how it could be interpreted as the above action - whatever that poorly worded double-talk above is trying to say. I found that you can drag drop the Home button onto itself which might be what you see. Maybe you dragged it for just a few pixels. Oh! That's it! I just tested this, and I can recreate the problem at will. I submitted bug #538500 on this problem last week. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=538500. I will update it to include how to recreate the problem. I have a Bookmark folder icon on my Personal toolbar, but that doesn't drag. That's not the bookmark icon from the Location Bar. And what is a Location Bar? Is that the URL/Navigation bar? Yes. And the icon in front of the URL (favicon) is what the tip refers to. HTH Jens -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/14/2010 11:30 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Is it possible/has it happened that a person using Linux ,Unix or even Command line DOS in windows that have 10-20 years experience is capable of making a mistakes and wiping out their drive they are working from? Yes :( I was used to setting alias rm='rm -i' but I was working at a location other than my usual. I entered rm * Quickly realizing what I had done, I then entered CTRL-C But it was too late. I didn't lose all my files, but I lost too many. Fortunately, all accounts were backed-up daily by the system administrators. When I got a shell account on my ISP's Web server in my own address space, one of the first things I did was alias rm='rm -i' I also did the same for cp and mv. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/14/2010 4:24 PM, »Q« wrote: In news:h4-dnaaw_yrxtnlwnz2dnuvz_hmdn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: That would Be bad for Mac if we had to go to command line as we would have go into UNIX and use terminal. That's something I don't wish to do. In Terminal if you don't know what your doing, you can erase the hard drive in a heart beat without knowing what your doing. Using the command line to launch SeaMonkey is pretty safe, since no one is very likely to make a typo that transforms seamonkey into one of the commands that can delete everything on your hard drive. From what I've been reading on the dev.planning newsgroup. They are bound and determined to do it coming Hxxx or highwater regardless of what users say. You always jump to that conclusion, no matter what you've actually read. Perhaps part of the problem is that you don't actually know who has what responsibilities, so you can't tell who's saying what. Mike Beltzner is the director of the Firefox project, ultimately responsible for what is and isn't in Firefox releases. Talking about the PM GUI, Beltzner says in that thread, We obviously won't ship a product to users that regresses important functionality that our support teams rely on. And obviously, if the PM GUI is available for Fx releases, it will also be available for SeaMonkey releases. As I said before, the replacement for Profile Manager requested in bug #539524 is -- from the Summary, Product, Component, and Description in that bug report -- only for test and triage, not for end users. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/14/2010 8:58 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote [in part]: No, there is no menu item to invoke Profile Manager. Either its done in terminal, or by starting SeaMonkey from the Dock, and choosing ToolsSwitch Profile. Or you uncheck the Don't ask at startup checkbox on the Profile Manager window. The next time you launch SeaMonkey, you get the Profile Manager. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/12/2010 6:10 PM, David E. Ross wrote: Bug #214675 proposes to delete the Profile Manager. It is being extensively discussed at mozilla.dev.planning. I strongly suggest that any discussion of SeaMonkey impacts -- impacts on either the development or end users of SeaMonkey -- be discussed in the existing thread Removal of the Profile Manager UI? in that newsgroup without replying to this message. In a comment, bug #539524 explicitly states that no end-user capability will be included in its implementation of a new Profile Manager. I have submitted bug #540194 to request a SeaMonkey user interface when bug #539524 is implemented. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
