Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
Phillip Jones wrote: see here: http://screencast.com/t/NjZlZmJiNGYt Thanks for clarifying that. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
NoOp wrote: On 09/17/2010 07:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) even though the installer never said it was setting things up for automatic upgrade, and I never explicitly gave permission for SeaMonkey to make changes like that to my machine. I don't recall--how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? (A higher-level question: (Unless I somehow missed a clear notification at installation time,) why the heck was SeaMonkey changed to make changes to the user's software configuration without explicit permission and prior notification? That is NOT trustworthy behavior. I'd expect that from Microsoft or Adobe or something.) See this thread: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me! 07/25/2010 Note my comments in that thread... I suspect that this is one of the reasons for the 'fire drill' transition from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8; auto update contributed to the skyrocketed the crash stats. IMO it *is* a security issue so I've disabled all SM autoupdates on all of my machines as well as my customer/relative/friend/enemy machines. Also see: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_Update http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.7 http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.8 I've turned my auto updates off too, because of the problems I've developed since 2.06. If it wasn't so much trouble I would go back to 2.06. My problem isn't crashes, just increasing nuisances with mail and news composing and sending, where I spend most of my time. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
chicagofan wrote: NoOp wrote: On 09/17/2010 07:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) even though the installer never said it was setting things up for automatic upgrade, and I never explicitly gave permission for SeaMonkey to make changes like that to my machine. I don't recall--how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? (A higher-level question: (Unless I somehow missed a clear notification at installation time,) why the heck was SeaMonkey changed to make changes to the user's software configuration without explicit permission and prior notification? That is NOT trustworthy behavior. I'd expect that from Microsoft or Adobe or something.) See this thread: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me! 07/25/2010 Note my comments in that thread... I suspect that this is one of the reasons for the 'fire drill' transition from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8; auto update contributed to the skyrocketed the crash stats. IMO it *is* a security issue so I've disabled all SM autoupdates on all of my machines as well as my customer/relative/friend/enemy machines. Also see: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_Update http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.7 http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.8 I've turned my auto updates off too, because of the problems I've developed since 2.06. If it wasn't so much trouble I would go back to 2.06. My problem isn't crashes, just increasing nuisances with mail and news composing and sending, where I spend most of my time. bj Its not that much trouble to go back (at least on Mac - on PC it most likely a PIA) On Mac Locate the SeaMonkey 2.0.6 download, down load it. Next move 2.0.7 to Trash but don't empty as yet. now open the .dmg file and drag the Icon of SeaMonkey to icon of the application folder. The Application will be installed Open SeaMonkey and your good to go. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: ...how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. ... Does that control just automatic installation or also installation triggered by the users' clicking on a link/button/etc.? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) ... ... how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 2. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Installation] under Category (on the left side). 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. .. The Help documentation for that Software Installation section says [emphasis added]: ... Allow web sites to install extensions and updates: Select this if you want to allow web sites to install extensions and updates to be used with SeaMonkey.*You will be prompted before each installation.* Is that Allow websites ... control _really_ the right one? I was not prompted before installation, so according to the documentation, that control does not apply to the kind of upgrade/installation I encountered. Is the documentation wrong? I notice that it talks about a When updates to SeaMonkey are found: ... control, but there is no such thing in the Software Installation page/tab. Did some feature get deleted from SeaMonkey? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
Daniel Barclay wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) ... ... how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 2. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Installation] under Category (on the left side). 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. .. The Help documentation for that Software Installation section says [emphasis added]: ... Allow web sites to install extensions and updates: Select this if you want to allow web sites to install extensions and updates to be used with SeaMonkey.*You will be prompted before each installation.* Is that Allow websites ... control _really_ the right one? I was not prompted before installation, so according to the documentation, that control does not apply to the kind of upgrade/installation I encountered. Is the documentation wrong? I notice that it talks about a When updates to SeaMonkey are found: ... control, but there is no such thing in the Software Installation page/tab. Did some feature get deleted from SeaMonkey? Daniel see here: http://screencast.com/t/NjZlZmJiNGYt -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) ... ... how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 2. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Installation] under Category (on the left side). 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. .. The Help documentation for that Software Installation section says [emphasis added]: ... Allow web sites to install extensions and updates: Select this if you want to allow web sites to install extensions and updates to be used with SeaMonkey.*You will be prompted before each installation.* Is that Allow websites ... control _really_ the right one? I was not prompted before installation, so according to the documentation, that control does not apply to the kind of upgrade/installation I encountered. Is the documentation wrong? I notice that it talks about a When updates to SeaMonkey are found: ... control, but there is no such thing in the Software Installation page/tab. Did some feature get deleted from SeaMonkey? Daniel see here: http://screencast.com/t/NjZlZmJiNGYt Your arrow points to the Automatically check for updates to SeaMonkey box. Your previous text refers to the 'Allow web sites to install extensions and updates' checkbox. Which one are you talking about? I don't want to stop SeaMonkey, etc., from _checking_ for updates. I just want to stop it from _installing_ them automatically. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
On 9/20/10 10:05 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: ...how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. ... Does that control just automatic installation or also installation triggered by the users' clicking on a link/button/etc.? Daniel It blocks ALL software installations via SeaMonkey, new add-ons and all updates. I'm not sure what happens if an update to SeaMonkey itself is found. However, the Add-on Manager will give you an option (via a button) to enable installation when you want to install a new or updated add-on. I just recently enabled the check for updates to installed add-ons without enabling automatic installation. This way, I won't have to keep checking the Web site of each add-on. When I'm notified of an update, I plan to visit the add-on's site and download the .xpi or .jar file and then install from my local drive. Bug #526150 describes a hole in the design of the Add-On Manager relative to disabling automatic installations. The Add-On Manager gives the user the option to enable installation when automatic installations were disabled. However, the Add-On Manager does not then provide any option to disable automatic installations after the current installation is completed. The bug report for #526150 was closed as WontFix. Per comments in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526150, a new Add-On Manager is pending. With it, automatic checking for updates will then result in automatic installation of those updates. I am attempting to reopen the bug report. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
Daniel Barclay wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) ... ... how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? ... ... 2. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Installation] under Category (on the left side). 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. .. The Help documentation for that Software Installation section says [emphasis added]: ... Allow web sites to install extensions and updates: Select this if you want to allow web sites to install extensions and updates to be used with SeaMonkey.*You will be prompted before each installation.* Is that Allow websites ... control _really_ the right one? I was not prompted before installation, so according to the documentation, that control does not apply to the kind of upgrade/installation I encountered. Is the documentation wrong? I notice that it talks about a When updates to SeaMonkey are found: ... control, but there is no such thing in the Software Installation page/tab. Did some feature get deleted from SeaMonkey? Daniel see here: http://screencast.com/t/NjZlZmJiNGYt Your arrow points to the Automatically check for updates to SeaMonkey box. Your previous text refers to the 'Allow web sites to install extensions and updates' checkbox. Which one are you talking about? I don't want to stop SeaMonkey, etc., from _checking_ for updates. I just want to stop it from _installing_ them automatically. Daniel My screen shot shows that I/you can turn off auto Update of SeaMonkey but it leave auto update of extension on, or I could have turn it off as well, or turn on update extensions and leave SeaMonkey. I have mine set to turn off updating of SeaMonkey because of s decision Mozilla has made concerning HTML In Newsgroups. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
On 09/17/2010 07:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) even though the installer never said it was setting things up for automatic upgrade, and I never explicitly gave permission for SeaMonkey to make changes like that to my machine. I don't recall--how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? (A higher-level question: (Unless I somehow missed a clear notification at installation time,) why the heck was SeaMonkey changed to make changes to the user's software configuration without explicit permission and prior notification? That is NOT trustworthy behavior. I'd expect that from Microsoft or Adobe or something.) See this thread: SeaMonkey v2.0.5 to v2.0.6 update didn't prompt me! 07/25/2010 Note my comments in that thread... I suspect that this is one of the reasons for the 'fire drill' transition from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8; auto update contributed to the skyrocketed the crash stats. IMO it *is* a security issue so I've disabled all SM autoupdates on all of my machines as well as my customer/relative/friend/enemy machines. Also see: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_Update http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.7 http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/SeaMonkey/versions/2.0.8 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) even though the installer never said it was setting things up for automatic upgrade, and I never explicitly gave permission for SeaMonkey to make changes like that to my machine. I don't recall--how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? (A higher-level question: (Unless I somehow missed a clear notification at installation time,) why the heck was SeaMonkey changed to make changes to the user's software configuration without explicit permission and prior notification? That is NOT trustworthy behavior. I'd expect that from Microsoft or Adobe or something.) Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic upgrade without notice or (explicit) permission
On 9/17/10 7:39 AM, Daniel Barclay wrote: I've just been hit with SeaMonkey's automatic upgrade (from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8) even though the installer never said it was setting things up for automatic upgrade, and I never explicitly gave permission for SeaMonkey to make changes like that to my machine. I don't recall--how do I reconfigure SeaMonkey not to automatically install anything until I say so? (A higher-level question: (Unless I somehow missed a clear notification at installation time,) why the heck was SeaMonkey changed to make changes to the user's software configuration without explicit permission and prior notification? That is NOT trustworthy behavior. I'd expect that from Microsoft or Adobe or something.) Daniel 1. On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit Preferences]. 2. On the Preferences window, select [Advanced Software Installation] under Category (on the left side). 3. On the Software Installation pane, uncheck the Allow web sites to install extensions and updates checkbox. 4. Select the OK button. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
