Re: Part of window is overlayed.
JeffM wrote: 3) AFTER he had a standards-compliant page, if he wanted it to look right in IE, he would have **added** the needed tweaks for those using the LEAST-compliant browser. Daniel wrote: Sorry, Jeff, are you suggesting that MSIE cannot display a standards-compliant page?? Apparently, you've never heard of the Acid2 test: http://google.com/search?q=cache:AcSJyTwD0igJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid2+c+2005.Safari+*-*-*-page-rendering-flaws-*-*-*+*-*-did-not-follow-*-standards+*-Explorer-8-on-*-*.*-*+c+a.test.page Internet Exploder 6 was a bad joke. Internet Exploder 7: different number; SAME bad joke. http://google.com/search?q=cache:fv22n-VduoEJ:www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/07/28/ie7_css_upda+Acid2.*-IE6.*-IE7+tv+tv+*-*-single-pixel-*-* Comparison of browsers from Summer 2006: (clickable links) http://google.com/search?q=cache:BcA9gIIu5uUJ:shane.rsbandb.com/tdb/page/4/?s=mage+using+Konqueror.3.5+Opera.9+Internet.Explorer.6+Internet.Explorer.7+Firefox.1.5+Safari.2+*-*-*.2006 Note from the previous Wiki link that Internet Exploder **8** FINALLY passed Acid2. (IE6 IE7 **never** will pass Acid2; see bad joke, above.) While M$ was farting around with Acid2, the other browsers (having long since hit that mark) moved on to Acid3. http://google.com/search?q=cache:b0vDW1amn3gJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid3+c+Acid2+100/100+c+*-Explorer+c+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-modern-highly-interactive-*strip=1 At one time a pre-release version of Internet Exploder 8 got 17 percent on Acid3. They just put a Release version of IE8 into the wild and that one gets 12 percent. The next-worse browser got 60 percent. Yes. Internet Exploder SUCKS at standards compliance. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
JeffM wrote: ... When you have a problem with how a page renders, FIRST look to see if it is a pile of crap. If the guy who created it didn't follow the rules, ... ... If you've ever tried to read a page of misspelled, poorly-punctuated, using-the-wrong-words gibberish written by some pseudo-literate, you have an idea of what is going on here. Excellent analogy. Daniel -- (Plain text sometimes corrupted to HTML courtesy of Microsoft Exchange.) [F] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
stan wrote: When I go to this site: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/269-R-Carver-Rd_Plymouth_MA_02360_1106838463 The window looks like this: http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard. Notice how the realtor info covers up details about the house. It works OK in IE and comes out with very small print. I tried reducing my minimum print size in Preferences/Appearances/Fonts but it didn't affect it. Is there anything I can do? Is it the site? Thanks Stan I get this kind of thing quite often. Here's hoping the next version of SM will correct this. w. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
JeffM wrote: stan wrote: The window looks like this: http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard. Walter wrote: I get this kind of thing quite often. Here's hoping the next version of SM will correct this. There is nothing to correct As has been said numerous times in this thread. THE FAULT IS **NOT** IN THE BROWSER. The problem is that **the page** is GARBAGE. To recap: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/941f030efad67d97?q=*-*-*-idea-*-*-*-*-*-*+zz+Validator+misspelled+138+poorly-*+Validated+qq-qq+*-*-wrong-*+zz-zz+qq-qq+moron+GUESSES+zz+GUESS read the thread again: the problem is with SM 1.1.x and FF 2.x, but not with SM 2 or FF 3. SM 1.1.x and FF 2 are with the same coding, while SM 2 and FF 3 are the same. -- *IMPORTANT*: Sorry folks, but I cannot provide email help Emails to me may become public Notice: This posting is protected under the Free Speech Laws, which applies everywhere in the FREE world, except for some strange reason, not to the mozilla.org newsgroup servers, where your posting may get you banned. Peter Potamus His Magic Flying Balloon: http://melaman2.com/cartoons/singles/mp3/p-potamus.mp3 http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: SM 1.1.x and FF 2 are with the same coding, while SM 2 and FF 3 are the same. More precisely, the Gecko rendering engine and other core parts of both SM 2.0 and FF 3.5 (formerly known as FF 3.1) will be the same. There will be no SM release featuring the FF 3.0 core. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
On 3/21/2009 2:17 PM, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: JeffM wrote: stan wrote: The window looks like this: http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard. Walter wrote: I get this kind of thing quite often. Here's hoping the next version of SM will correct this. There is nothing to correct As has been said numerous times in this thread. THE FAULT IS **NOT** IN THE BROWSER. The problem is that **the page** is GARBAGE. To recap: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/941f030efad67d97?q=*-*-*-idea-*-*-*-*-*-*+zz+Validator+misspelled+138+poorly-*+Validated+qq-qq+*-*-wrong-*+zz-zz+qq-qq+moron+GUESSES+zz+GUESS read the thread again: the problem is with SM 1.1.x and FF 2.x, but not with SM 2 or FF 3. SM 1.1.x and FF 2 are with the same coding, while SM 2 and FF 3 are the same. With 138 XHTML errors and 274 CSS errors on the page in question, how can you be sure that the problem is in Gecko 1.8 (used by SM 1.1.x and FF 2.x)? It's also possible that Gecko 1.9 (used by FF 3 and SM 2) merely guesses the Web author's intent differently when errors are found. Note that the page is quite readable with SeaMonkey 1.1.15 if I disable CSS. Thus, those 274 CSS errors must indeed contribute to the problem. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Don't ask Why is there road rage? Instead, ask Why NOT Road Rage? or Why Is There No Such Thing as Fast Enough? http://www.rossde.com/roadrage.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
stan wrote: When I go to this site: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/269-R-Carver-Rd_Plymouth_MA_02360_1106838463 The window looks like this: http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard. Notice how the realtor info covers up details about the house. It works OK in IE and comes out with very small print. I tried reducing my minimum print size in Preferences/Appearances/Fonts but it didn't affect it. Is there anything I can do? Is it the site? Thanks Stan CORRECTION ON 2nd URL http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard.jpg -- I'm using the SWEET SUITE, SeaMonkey. Try it at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
On or about 3/19/2009 7:53 PM, stan typed the following: When I go to this site: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/269-R-Carver-Rd_Plymouth_MA_02360_1106838463 The window looks like this: http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard. Notice how the realtor info covers up details about the house. It works OK in IE and comes out with very small print. I tried reducing my minimum print size in Preferences/Appearances/Fonts but it didn't affect it. Is there anything I can do? Is it the site? Thanks Stan It's the site. Same thing here with SM1.1.15. Checked on W3C and it has 138 errors. Might want to complain to the webmaster. Ed -- All mail is checked by avast! Antivirus Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Sandurz, Sandurz. You got to help me. I don't know what to do. I can't make decisions. I'm a president! -No, not Bush, but President Skroob in Space Balls ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
BeeNeR wrote: On or about 3/19/2009 7:53 PM, stan typed the following: When I go to this site: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/269-R-Carver-Rd_Plymouth_MA_02360_1106838463 The window looks like this: http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard. Notice how the realtor info covers up details about the house. It works OK in IE and comes out with very small print. I tried reducing my minimum print size in Preferences/Appearances/Fonts but it didn't affect it. Is there anything I can do? Is it the site? Thanks Stan It's the site. Same thing here with SM1.1.15. Checked on W3C and it has 138 errors. Might want to complain to the webmaster. Ed before you complain to the webmaster, know a few things: it works for FF 3.0.7, but not FF 2.0.0.20, so I'm going to make a guess that it also works in SM 2. it also doesn't work in k-meleon, which is based on FF 2 code, which SM 1.1.x is also based on. Therefore, only my guess, its something to do with old coding that these programs are using that the site doesn't work with. -- *IMPORTANT*: Sorry folks, but I cannot provide email help Emails to me may become public Notice: This posting is protected under the Free Speech Laws, which applies everywhere in the FREE world, except for some strange reason, not to the mozilla.org newsgroup servers, where your posting may get you banned. Peter Potamus His Magic Flying Balloon: http://melaman2.com/cartoons/singles/mp3/p-potamus.mp3 http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
stan wrote: stan wrote: When I go to this site: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/269-R-Carver-Rd_Plymouth_MA_02360_1106838463 The window looks like this: http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard. Notice how the realtor info covers up details about the house. It works OK in IE and comes out with very small print. I tried reducing my minimum print size in Preferences/Appearances/Fonts but it didn't affect it. Is there anything I can do? Is it the site? Thanks Stan CORRECTION ON 2nd URL http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard.jpg some hope for the SM-2.0b1pre future:-- http://www.flickr.com/photos/22198...@n03/3368539013/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
stan wrote: When I go to this site: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/269-R-Carver-Rd_Plymouth_MA_02360_1106838463 The window looks like this: http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard.jpg Notice how the realtor info covers up details about the house. [...]Is it the site?[...] Everyone who wants to ask/bitch about how Web-related things work needs to bookmark this page: http://validator.w3.org/ When you have a problem with how a page renders, FIRST look to see if it is a pile of crap. If the guy who created it didn't follow the rules, then every browser that tries to render his page HAS TO MAKE GUESSES about what his crap code is trying to do. If you've ever tried to read a page of misspelled, poorly-punctuated, using-the-wrong-words gibberish written by some pseudo-literate, you have an idea of what is going on here. *This* is the kind of thing the Validator should return: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.webstandards.org/2008/10/02/dowehaveawinner/ As BeeNeR said, the crap page in question contains 138 errors. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/269-R-Carver-Rd_Plymouth_MA_02360_1106838463 That's 138 places the browser has to GUESS. It's a wonder it renders as well as it does. It works OK in IE[...] ...because the moron who slopped it together checked it in IE --the LEAST standards-compliant browser. Unfortunately, the majority of people putting up Web pages are exactly this clueless about what they are doing. If he had a clue, he would have: 1) Used a (non-M$) tool that produced better code from the start. 2) Validated his code against the W3C's tool. (The WorldWide Web Consortium is the arbitor of what *is* proper HTML and what **is not**.) 3) AFTER he had a standards-compliant page, if he wanted it to look right in IE, he would have **added** the needed tweaks for those using the LEAST-compliant browser. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Part of window is overlayed.
On 3/19/2009 3:53 PM, stan wrote: When I go to this site: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/269-R-Carver-Rd_Plymouth_MA_02360_1106838463 The window looks like this: http://www.fototime.com/96EAA4802CC856E/standard. Notice how the realtor info covers up details about the house. It works OK in IE and comes out with very small print. I tried reducing my minimum print size in Preferences/Appearances/Fonts but it didn't affect it. Is there anything I can do? Is it the site? Thanks Stan The www.realtor.com page has 138 XHTML errors and 274 CSS errors. Garbage in = garbage out. Many browsers -- including both IE and Gecko-based browsers -- are designed to guess what a Web author means when errors are found. Some guess one way, and other guess another way, and yet others guess even a different way. It might be a coincidence that IE guessed correctly. Or it might be that the page was designed by someone who doesn't know that IE is NOT the only browser. I suspect the latter since the Web server is a Micro$oft product running on a PC under Windows. If I go to my SeaMonkey menu bar and select [View Use Style None], the text is no longer overlapped. Yes, the problem lies within the Web site. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
