Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-20 Thread WIFT

Dne 17.10.2009 3:46, Russell napsal(a):

As an open source initiative I would wonder why anyone would want to remove
choices and force an 'all or nothing' approach? That's more typical of companies
like A$$ple, Micro$$oft and Ado$$e who use that to lock users into using only
their product and make themselves wealthier as a result. It would be sad if the
final release of SM 2.0 did not offer the same tradition of choice as in the
past.


Exactly my words, thak you Russell for saying that, now I see I'm not 
the only one with that opinion.


I understand that SM is suite. I already reconciled with grinding my 
teeth that there would be no way _not_ to install the internal e-mail 
client (and don't say something about disk space, because it is not 
about disk space, it is like the inability to remove radio from my car 
and when I want to use another, I just install it and cover the first 
one with towel), but the inability _not to use_ the internal mail client 
drives me crazy and makes me more like leaving SM at all. Still no 
success with network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto, even when I set 
another mail client as default, mailto links in SM (2 RC2) still 
launches mail wizard from SM. Sad.


Anyway, many thanks to all developers of SM for the big work that has 
been done on SM 2.0.

(w)
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-20 Thread Martin Freitag
WIFT schrieb:
 
 I understand that SM is suite. I already reconciled with grinding my
 teeth that there would be no way _not_ to install the internal e-mail
 client (and don't say something about disk space, because it is not
 about disk space, it is like the inability to remove radio from my car
 and when I want to use another, I just install it and cover the first
 one with towel), but the inability _not to use_ the internal mail client
 drives me crazy and makes me more like leaving SM at all. Still no
 success with network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto, even when I set
 another mail client as default, mailto links in SM (2 RC2) still
 launches mail wizard from SM. Sad.

If you performed all necessary steps and it doesn't work you should
think about filing a bug.
regards

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-18 Thread Graham

Lucas Levrel wrote:
This said, I think installing the whole SM2 will be fine for everyone if 
mailto: links still can be directed to an external application. Disk space 
is not much of a concern on recent platforms.


I agree with this.

Personally, I use Seamonkey for newsgroups, but not for email, so don't 
want it handling mailto: even though I want the mail/news support installed.


My wife strongly dislikes Firefox's user interface and uses Seamonkey 
with only the browser installed. In her case, having mail/news installed 
will add a few insignificant MB to the install, but won't otherwise 
affect her - unless it takes over mail functions that 1.x doesn't.


Graham.
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-17 Thread Robert Kaiser

Russell wrote:

And there are many users like myself who simply do NOT like the look and feel of
Firefox. Perhaps it's the interests of the Firefox developers that's behind this
move?


Only if you don't believe that the SeaMonkey team can have its own 
agenda and think for itself. You might not share that belief, though.



Not permitting Seamonkey to work without hijacking the system email will
certainly reduce its user base (I would leave as will many others I know) and
drive Seamonkey even more quickly into oblivion. That would be a shame.


So you seem to convince it will be driven into oblivion some time 
anyhow. I for one do not want to support that mindset.


That said, feel free to do the work and provide patches for making the 
option you want available in the new toolkit-based environment we have 
uplifted SeaMonkey to because we wanted to ensure survival of the suite 
concept more than preserving every single option it might have had in 
some distant past.


Robert Kaiser
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-17 Thread Lucas Levrel
Le 17 octobre 2009, Robert Kaiser a écrit :
 That said, feel free to do the work and provide patches for making the option
 you want available in the new toolkit-based environment we have uplifted
 SeaMonkey to because we wanted to ensure survival of the suite concept more
 than preserving every single option it might have had in some distant past.

Although I understand you may have been shocked by Russell saying 
Seamonkey is going into oblivion, your last phrase sounds disdainful : 
Seamonkey does offer in its last stable version the option to install only 
parts of it.

Also, have you changed your mind since you stated the following?

Le 14 octobre 2009, Robert Kaiser a écrit :
 We should make it easy to use other news readers from all I know, as for 
 the mail things, I need to defer to people knowing more about that than 
 I do.

---

This said, I think installing the whole SM2 will be fine for everyone if 
mailto: links still can be directed to an external application. Disk space 
is not much of a concern on recent platforms.


Best regards.
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-17 Thread Jens Hatlak

NoOp wrote:

 Perhaps 'network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto - true' should
be either included as an option in the Edit|Preferences|Mail 
Newsgroups or Edit|Preferences|Browser?


If at all only in the former, it's about MailNews, not the browser 
component. You may file an enhancement bug for that. :-)


This should probably be accompanied by a short Help entry that states 
that this only works if SeaMonkey is *not* set as the system's default 
mail application.


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-16 Thread Daniel

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Russell wrote:
Perhaps someone will jump in with an easy fix. I do hope the final 
release

offers the same install flexibility as did the previous versions.


SeaMonkey 2.x will not allow installing without the mailnews component.

Robert Kaiser


Then you will lose at least one customer - my wife, for whom I've been 
doing the Browser only install. She's come to love Seamonkey, but 
she's been using Outlook as a mail client for umphteen years now, and 
won't (and shouldn't have to) change.


Actually, make that _two_ customers, because if I have to find and 
support some other browser-only solution for her, then I'll probably 
change to something else myself, in my never-ending attempt to minimize 
the number of different apps I have to keep track of around here.


Please, PLEASE, reconsider removing the Browser only install option. 
Or please, make sure instructions are available for whatever registry 
hack (ugh) is required to restore that functionality.  -JW


If what Robert says holds true, I would think the instructions for a 
Browser only installation would be easy...USE FIREFOX!!!


Daniel
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-16 Thread Daniel

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Russell wrote:
I want to continue using another newsreader and am very happy with my 
email

software (Pegasus) and do not like Firefox compared to Seamonkey.


We should make it easy to use other news readers from all I know, as for 
the mail things, I need to defer to people knowing more about that than 
I do.


Robert Kaiser


For what it's worth, Robert, I disagree with youthis time!!

Why should SeaMonkey developers provide an easy means of using another 
program to do what SM can do?? If somebody wants a Browser Only 
application, why not use a Browser Only application in the first place??


(To the SM developers, Keep up the good work, your efforts are 
appreciated!!)


Daniel
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-16 Thread Russell
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:51:23 +1000, Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote:

Why should SeaMonkey developers provide an easy means of using another 
program to do what SM can do?? If somebody wants a Browser Only 
application, why not use a Browser Only application in the first place??

Because afaik Seamonkey was simply a continuation of a tradition that began with
Mozilla and then Netscape. Netscape also offered an email client that could be
used or not, as the user wished. This same philosophy of 'choice' has continued
right up to today with the current version (v1.18) of Seamonkey. 

As an open source initiative I would wonder why anyone would want to remove
choices and force an 'all or nothing' approach? That's more typical of companies
like A$$ple, Micro$$oft and Ado$$e who use that to lock users into using only
their product and make themselves wealthier as a result. It would be sad if the
final release of SM 2.0 did not offer the same tradition of choice as in the
past.

And there are many users like myself who simply do NOT like the look and feel of
Firefox. Perhaps it's the interests of the Firefox developers that's behind this
move?  Not permitting Seamonkey to work without hijacking the system email will
certainly reduce its user base (I would leave as will many others I know) and
drive Seamonkey even more quickly into oblivion. That would be a shame.

Russell
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-15 Thread Arnie Goetchius

KristleBawl wrote:

Russell wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0400, KristleBawl
kristleb...@some.email wrote:


Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and
choose New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as
the name and set the value to true.


Hi KristleBawl,

I celebrated too soon... :-(

I reinstalled Seamonkey 2 RC thinking that the above would work and I
could
start using it for day-to-day browsing. But for some reason it does
not. Still
launches its built-in email client when clicking on mailto links.

Have you tried the above with success?

Russell.


After the above, make sure Seamonkey is *not* the default mail client
(it probably becomes default during installation) and open your
preferred mail client and reset it as the default. It should work.

When I open Help and look at Mail  Newsgroups Preferences, it states, 
in part:


Use SeaMonkey Mail as the default mail application: Select SeaMonkey 
Mail  Newsgroups as the default mail application for Windows and from 
within other applications such as Microsoft Word.


Note: Setting SeaMonkey Mail  Newsgroups as the default mail 
application may disable another mail application. To restore the other 
mail application as the default, deselect this option.


All of the options are grayed out and cannot be deselected. If this 
option worked as advertised in the Help section, would that not solve 
Russell's problem without resorting to about:config?

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-15 Thread J. Weaver Jr.

KristleBawl wrote:

Russell wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:17:13 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote:


It doesn't mean you need to _use_ the mail component if it's _installed_.


Still looking for an easy way to get mailto links in webpages to open with my
usual email programme... so far no luck.

Russell


Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
and set the value to true.


Default mail client
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_mail_client

how to disable mail in SeaMonkey 2.0a2pre
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=6t=942055

How do I make Mozilla not use its own email client when clicking on an 
email link?

http://mozilla.gunnars.net/mozfaq_use.html#externalmail


That works _great_, Kristle - thanks! Here's hoping it (or something 
like it) continues to work for 2.x.  -JW

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-15 Thread David E. Ross
On 10/14/2009 8:12 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
 Russell wrote:
 Perhaps someone will jump in with an easy fix. I do hope the final release
 offers the same install flexibility as did the previous versions.
 
 SeaMonkey 2.x will not allow installing without the mailnews component.
 
 Robert Kaiser

How then do I continue to use Eudora for E-mail and Thunderbird for
newsgroups?  I use a very old version of Eudora because it has features
that I don't see in any newer E-mail applications.  I use Thunderbird so
that I can switch browser profiles without switching newsreader profiles.

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Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to
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Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-15 Thread David E. Ross
On 10/14/2009 9:09 AM, David Wilkinson wrote:
 J. Weaver Jr. wrote:
 Then you will lose at least one customer - my wife, for whom I've been 
 doing the Browser only install. She's come to love Seamonkey, but 
 she's been using Outlook as a mail client for umphteen years now, and 
 won't (and shouldn't have to) change.

 Actually, make that _two_ customers, because if I have to find and 
 support some other browser-only solution for her, then I'll probably 
 change to something else myself, in my never-ending attempt to minimize 
 the number of different apps I have to keep track of around here.

 Please, PLEASE, reconsider removing the Browser only install option. 
 Or please, make sure instructions are available for whatever registry 
 hack (ugh) is required to restore that functionality.  -JW
 
 No offense, but if you only want the browser component, why don't you just 
 use 
 FireFox? Surely, most people use SeaMonkey precisely because it contains 
 browser, mail and news (and now RSS) in a single application.
 
 Or is it that you use ChatZilla or Composer? I never use those, so they are 
 not 
 important in my decision to use SeaMonkey.
 

I don't use Firefox because it has bugs that I don't see in SeaMonkey.

-- 
David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com/

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extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-15 Thread David E. Ross
On 10/14/2009 9:37 PM, KristleBawl wrote:
 Russell wrote:
 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0400, KristleBawl kristleb...@some.email 
 wrote:

 Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
 Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
 New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
 and set the value to true.
 Hi KristleBawl,

 I celebrated too soon... :-(

 I reinstalled Seamonkey 2 RC thinking that the above would work and I could
 start using it for day-to-day browsing. But for some reason it does not. 
 Still
 launches its built-in email client when clicking on mailto links.

 Have you tried the above with success?

 Russell.

 After the above, make sure Seamonkey is *not* the default mail client 
 (it probably becomes default during installation) and open your 
 preferred mail client and reset it as the default.  It should work.
 

If user.js still works with SM 2, set the preferences there instead of
using about:config.  With SM 1.1.x, this is a text file.  Whatever
installed default setting SeaMonkey has for a preference, user.js
overrides it.

The format is
user_pref(network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto, true);
The semi-colon at the end is required; many users forget it and then
wonder why it doesn't work.  Making this work also requires completely
terminating SeaMonkey and then restarting it.

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-15 Thread Russell
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:43:07 -0700, David E. Ross nob...@nowhere.invalid
wrote:

If user.js still works with SM 2


Did a search of the Seamonkey install folder and user.js does not exist

R
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-15 Thread Mark Hansen
On 10/15/09 19:11, Russell wrote:
 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:43:07 -0700, David E. Ross nob...@nowhere.invalid
 wrote:
 
If user.js still works with SM 2
 
 
 Did a search of the Seamonkey install folder and user.js does not exist
 
 R

That doesn't necessarily mean it's not used by SM 2.0, as it is a user-created
file.

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Daniel

Russell wrote:

I really like the Seamonkey browser and have used it for years. In previous SM
releases I could do a custom install and not install the email feature as I
prefer to use another email client. 


With Seamonkey v2 RC's custom install there's no option to omit the email
component and now every time I click on an email link in SM it's asking me to
setup my Seamonkey email service. 


How can I get rid of this and have my email open in the application I prefer?
I'm using XP, but assume this issue exists with Vista as well.

Thanks

Russell


Russell, it is my understanding that as SeaMonkey Suite includes a 
mailnews agent, SeaMonkey's first mail call will always be to it's 
inbuilt mail agent.


If you've been using just the browser portion of SeaMonkey and getting 
it to call another, separate, mail agent, I'd be interested to here how 
you achieved that!!


Daniel
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Martin Freitag
Daniel schrieb:
 Russell wrote:
 I really like the Seamonkey browser and have used it for years. In
 previous SM
 releases I could do a custom install and not install the email feature
 as I
 prefer to use another email client.
 With Seamonkey v2 RC's custom install there's no option to omit the email
 component and now every time I click on an email link in SM it's
 asking me to
 setup my Seamonkey email service.
 How can I get rid of this and have my email open in the application I
 prefer?
 I'm using XP, but assume this issue exists with Vista as well.

 Thanks

 Russell
 
 Russell, it is my understanding that as SeaMonkey Suite includes a
 mailnews agent, SeaMonkey's first mail call will always be to it's
 inbuilt mail agent.
 
 If you've been using just the browser portion of SeaMonkey and getting
 it to call another, separate, mail agent, I'd be interested to here how
 you achieved that!!
He dismissed the mail-part n the Seamonkey setup, it's that easy.
The problem is that Seamonkey 2.0 does not allow that and by default
handles mailto-links internally.

I never tried that and I'm unsure if it works but maybe those
preferences could help Russel:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.protocol-handler.external.(protocol)
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.protocol-handler.app.(protocol)
regards

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Russell
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:56:19 +0200, Martin Freitag
prof_nosp...@quantentunnel.de wrote:

He dismissed the mail-part n the Seamonkey setup, it's that easy.
The problem is that Seamonkey 2.0 does not allow that and by default
handles mailto-links internally.

Exactly. Previous versions allowed you to install only those parts you wanted
via the Custom install option.  I might have to uninstall the 2.0 beta if an
easy solution isn't there yet.  I really would prefer not to have to muck with
the Registry which seems to be what the following suggests I'd have to do:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Register_protocol

Perhaps someone will jump in with an easy fix. I do hope the final release
offers the same install flexibility as did the previous versions.

Russell
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Robert Kaiser

Russell wrote:

Perhaps someone will jump in with an easy fix. I do hope the final release
offers the same install flexibility as did the previous versions.


SeaMonkey 2.x will not allow installing without the mailnews component.

Robert Kaiser
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread J. Weaver Jr.

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Russell wrote:

Perhaps someone will jump in with an easy fix. I do hope the final release
offers the same install flexibility as did the previous versions.


SeaMonkey 2.x will not allow installing without the mailnews component.

Robert Kaiser


Then you will lose at least one customer - my wife, for whom I've been 
doing the Browser only install. She's come to love Seamonkey, but 
she's been using Outlook as a mail client for umphteen years now, and 
won't (and shouldn't have to) change.


Actually, make that _two_ customers, because if I have to find and 
support some other browser-only solution for her, then I'll probably 
change to something else myself, in my never-ending attempt to minimize 
the number of different apps I have to keep track of around here.


Please, PLEASE, reconsider removing the Browser only install option. 
Or please, make sure instructions are available for whatever registry 
hack (ugh) is required to restore that functionality.  -JW

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Keith Whaley

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Russell wrote:
Perhaps someone will jump in with an easy fix. I do hope the final 
release offers the same install flexibility as did the

previous versions.



SeaMonkey 2.x will not allow installing without the mailnews component.

Robert Kaiser


FWIW, I don't think it should!
Why have a suite if you only want to use half of it?
There are rational alternatives...

keith whaley
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread David Wilkinson

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:
Then you will lose at least one customer - my wife, for whom I've been 
doing the Browser only install. She's come to love Seamonkey, but 
she's been using Outlook as a mail client for umphteen years now, and 
won't (and shouldn't have to) change.


Actually, make that _two_ customers, because if I have to find and 
support some other browser-only solution for her, then I'll probably 
change to something else myself, in my never-ending attempt to minimize 
the number of different apps I have to keep track of around here.


Please, PLEASE, reconsider removing the Browser only install option. 
Or please, make sure instructions are available for whatever registry 
hack (ugh) is required to restore that functionality.  -JW


No offense, but if you only want the browser component, why don't you just use 
FireFox? Surely, most people use SeaMonkey precisely because it contains 
browser, mail and news (and now RSS) in a single application.


Or is it that you use ChatZilla or Composer? I never use those, so they are not 
important in my decision to use SeaMonkey.


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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread J. Weaver Jr.

Keith Whaley wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Russell wrote:
Perhaps someone will jump in with an easy fix. I do hope the final 
release offers the same install flexibility as did the

previous versions.



SeaMonkey 2.x will not allow installing without the mailnews component.

Robert Kaiser


FWIW, I don't think it should!
Why have a suite if you only want to use half of it?
There are rational alternatives...


Because not every user in a group situation will want exactly the same 
thing. As I said before, my wife uses only the browser (which she's very 
happy with, with Outlook as the mail client), while I use the entire 
suite (which _I'm_ very happy with).


It's convenient for me that we're both using Seamonkey, as I can 
parallel updates between our machines, doing the Browser only install 
for her; if her partial usage of the suite is no longer allowed, then 
I'll be switching to something else for _both_ of us, for simplicity's 
sake.  -JW

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread KristleBawl

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:
Then you will lose at least one customer - my wife, for whom I've been 
doing the Browser only install. She's come to love Seamonkey, but 
she's been using Outlook as a mail client for umphteen years now, and 
won't (and shouldn't have to) change.


Actually, make that _two_ customers, because if I have to find and 
support some other browser-only solution for her, then I'll probably 
change to something else myself, in my never-ending attempt to minimize 
the number of different apps I have to keep track of around here.


Please, PLEASE, reconsider removing the Browser only install option. 
Or please, make sure instructions are available for whatever registry 
hack (ugh) is required to restore that functionality.  -JW


Have you tried Firefox lately?  The current version is very stable and 
easily customized, just like the Seamonkey browser.


I first switched from IE8 to Firefox and love it.  Then I tried 
Thunderbird and decided I like it much better than Windows Mail in 
Vista, which is being discontinued in favor of Windows Live Mail.  I'm 
currently considering the pros and cons of switching from Firefox and 
Thunderbird to Seamonkey.


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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Russell
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:12:13 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote:

SeaMonkey 2.x will not allow installing without the mailnews component.

That's ok if there's an easy to find preference setting that allows me to not
use it. Netscape also offered an email component that could be ignored if not
needed. I prefer the Seamonkey browser to Firefox and will be very disappointed
to say goodbye to it after so many years of using it.   Before that I used
Netscape and Seamonkey offered a very similar UI with better security.  

I want to continue using another newsreader and am very happy with my email
software (Pegasus) and do not like Firefox compared to Seamonkey.

Let's hope someone comes up with a workaround, or I know a LOT of folks who I've
convinced to use Seamonkey who'll also be looking for another alternative once
v1.18 is no longer an option.

Russell

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Robert Kaiser

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Then you will lose at least one customer - my wife, for whom I've been
doing the Browser only install. She's come to love Seamonkey, but
she's been using Outlook as a mail client for umphteen years now, and
won't (and shouldn't have to) change.


It doesn't mean you need to _use_ the mail component if it's _installed_.

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Russell
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:17:13 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote:

It doesn't mean you need to _use_ the mail component if it's _installed_.

Still looking for an easy way to get mailto links in webpages to open with my
usual email programme... so far no luck.

Russell
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Robert Kaiser

Russell wrote:

I want to continue using another newsreader and am very happy with my email
software (Pegasus) and do not like Firefox compared to Seamonkey.


We should make it easy to use other news readers from all I know, as for 
the mail things, I need to defer to people knowing more about that than 
I do.


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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread NoOp
On 10/13/2009 11:56 PM, Martin Freitag wrote:
 Daniel schrieb:
 Russell wrote:
 I really like the Seamonkey browser and have used it for years. In
 previous SM
 releases I could do a custom install and not install the email feature
 as I
 prefer to use another email client.
 With Seamonkey v2 RC's custom install there's no option to omit the email
 component and now every time I click on an email link in SM it's
 asking me to
 setup my Seamonkey email service.
 How can I get rid of this and have my email open in the application I
 prefer?
 I'm using XP, but assume this issue exists with Vista as well.

 Thanks

 Russell
 
 Russell, it is my understanding that as SeaMonkey Suite includes a
 mailnews agent, SeaMonkey's first mail call will always be to it's
 inbuilt mail agent.
 
 If you've been using just the browser portion of SeaMonkey and getting
 it to call another, separate, mail agent, I'd be interested to here how
 you achieved that!!
 He dismissed the mail-part n the Seamonkey setup, it's that easy.
 The problem is that Seamonkey 2.0 does not allow that and by default
 handles mailto-links internally.
 
 I never tried that and I'm unsure if it works but maybe those
 preferences could help Russel:
 http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.protocol-handler.external.(protocol)
 http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.protocol-handler.app.(protocol)
 regards
 
 Martin

I just tested on a Win2KPro VM  I see what Russell is referring to. In
the test profile I've not set up the email client (2.0rc1) and to test I
also set MS Outlook in the system to be my default email client. I then
when to:
http://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss/
and clicked on disc...@mozdev.org. Rather than SeaMonkey launching the
prefered (for this test case) system email client, I get the SeaMonkey
Account setup wizard.

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091007 SeaMonkey/2.0

I then did the same in FireFox:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3)
Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3

and that _did_ try to open an Outlook mail window.
  Note: so that folks don't get too excited, I also tested the same
using Thunderbird (3.x) as the default email client.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre)
Gecko/20090925 Lightning/1.0pre Shredder/3.0pre

Out of curiosity I then installed 1.1.17 (complete) and the same problem
occurs there as well, so it's not just 2.0(x) that does not allow using
an alternate email application.
  Note: I'd never encountered this before as I've always just had
SeaMonkey set as my default email client for as long as I can remember.



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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Ray_Net

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Russell wrote:
Perhaps someone will jump in with an easy fix. I do hope the final 
release

offers the same install flexibility as did the previous versions.


SeaMonkey 2.x will not allow installing without the mailnews component.



This is removing stupidly a perfect suitable option ...
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread KristleBawl

Russell wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:17:13 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote:


It doesn't mean you need to _use_ the mail component if it's _installed_.


Still looking for an easy way to get mailto links in webpages to open with my
usual email programme... so far no luck.

Russell


Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
and set the value to true.


Default mail client
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_mail_client

how to disable mail in SeaMonkey 2.0a2pre
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=6t=942055

How do I make Mozilla not use its own email client when clicking on an 
email link?

http://mozilla.gunnars.net/mozfaq_use.html#externalmail

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread NoOp
On 10/14/2009 03:47 PM, KristleBawl wrote:
 Russell wrote:
 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:17:13 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote:
 
 It doesn't mean you need to _use_ the mail component if it's _installed_.
 
 Still looking for an easy way to get mailto links in webpages to open with my
 usual email programme... so far no luck.
 
 Russell
 
 Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
 Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
 New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
 and set the value to true.
 
 Default mail client
 http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_mail_client
 
 how to disable mail in SeaMonkey 2.0a2pre
 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=6t=942055
 
 How do I make Mozilla not use its own email client when clicking on an 
 email link?
 http://mozilla.gunnars.net/mozfaq_use.html#externalmail
 

KristleBawl rocks  wins the WTHeck? cookie for the day! Just tested 
it works. Perhaps 'network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto - true' should
be either included as an option in the Edit|Preferences|Mail 
Newsgroups or Edit|Preferences|Browser?


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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Russell
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0400, KristleBawl kristleb...@some.email wrote:

Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
and set the value to true.

Thanks KristleBawl :-))

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread KristleBawl

Russell wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0400, KristleBawl kristleb...@some.email wrote:


Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
and set the value to true.


Thanks KristleBawl :-))

Russell


You're most welcome! :-)

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread KristleBawl

NoOp wrote:

On 10/14/2009 03:47 PM, KristleBawl wrote:

Russell wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:17:13 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote:


It doesn't mean you need to _use_ the mail component if it's _installed_.

Still looking for an easy way to get mailto links in webpages to open with my
usual email programme... so far no luck.

Russell

Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
and set the value to true.


Default mail client
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_mail_client

how to disable mail in SeaMonkey 2.0a2pre
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=6t=942055

How do I make Mozilla not use its own email client when clicking on an 
email link?

http://mozilla.gunnars.net/mozfaq_use.html#externalmail



KristleBawl rocks  wins the WTHeck? cookie for the day! Just tested 
it works. Perhaps 'network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto - true' should
be either included as an option in the Edit|Preferences|Mail 
Newsgroups or Edit|Preferences|Browser?


I'd like that framed and mounted on my wall! ;-)

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread NoOp
On 10/14/2009 05:23 PM, KristleBawl wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
 On 10/14/2009 03:47 PM, KristleBawl wrote:
 Russell wrote:
 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:17:13 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote:

 It doesn't mean you need to _use_ the mail component if it's _installed_.
 Still looking for an easy way to get mailto links in webpages to open with 
 my
 usual email programme... so far no luck.

 Russell
 Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
 Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
 New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
 and set the value to true.

 Default mail client
 http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_mail_client

 how to disable mail in SeaMonkey 2.0a2pre
 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=6t=942055

 How do I make Mozilla not use its own email client when clicking on an 
 email link?
 http://mozilla.gunnars.net/mozfaq_use.html#externalmail

 
 KristleBawl rocks  wins the WTHeck? cookie for the day! Just tested 
 it works. Perhaps 'network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto - true' should
 be either included as an option in the Edit|Preferences|Mail 
 Newsgroups or Edit|Preferences|Browser?
 
 I'd like that framed and mounted on my wall! ;-)
 

Not until you change:
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812)
w/ SeaMonkey :-)


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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Cruz, Jaime

NoOp wrote:

On 10/13/2009 11:56 PM, Martin Freitag wrote:

Daniel schrieb:

Russell wrote:

I really like the Seamonkey browser and have used it for years. In
previous SM
releases I could do a custom install and not install the email feature
as I
prefer to use another email client.
With Seamonkey v2 RC's custom install there's no option to omit the email
component and now every time I click on an email link in SM it's
asking me to
setup my Seamonkey email service.
How can I get rid of this and have my email open in the application I
prefer?
I'm using XP, but assume this issue exists with Vista as well.

Thanks

Russell

Russell, it is my understanding that as SeaMonkey Suite includes a
mailnews agent, SeaMonkey's first mail call will always be to it's
inbuilt mail agent.

If you've been using just the browser portion of SeaMonkey and getting
it to call another, separate, mail agent, I'd be interested to here how
you achieved that!!

He dismissed the mail-part n the Seamonkey setup, it's that easy.
The problem is that Seamonkey 2.0 does not allow that and by default
handles mailto-links internally.

I never tried that and I'm unsure if it works but maybe those
preferences could help Russel:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.protocol-handler.external.(protocol)
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.protocol-handler.app.(protocol)
regards

Martin


I just tested on a Win2KPro VM  I see what Russell is referring to. In
the test profile I've not set up the email client (2.0rc1) and to test I
also set MS Outlook in the system to be my default email client. I then
when to:
http://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss/
and clicked on disc...@mozdev.org. Rather than SeaMonkey launching the
prefered (for this test case) system email client, I get the SeaMonkey
Account setup wizard.

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091007 SeaMonkey/2.0

I then did the same in FireFox:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3)
Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3

and that _did_ try to open an Outlook mail window.
  Note: so that folks don't get too excited, I also tested the same
using Thunderbird (3.x) as the default email client.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre)
Gecko/20090925 Lightning/1.0pre Shredder/3.0pre

Out of curiosity I then installed 1.1.17 (complete) and the same problem
occurs there as well, so it's not just 2.0(x) that does not allow using
an alternate email application.
  Note: I'd never encountered this before as I've always just had
SeaMonkey set as my default email client for as long as I can remember.





I beg to differ.  In my office, I installed the Browser only component 
of Seamonkey 1.1.8.  I need to use Outlook for the office Exchange 
Server.  If I click on a mailto: link, it correctly launches Outlook.


Of course, since the Seamonkey mail/news client isn't installed it 
really doesn't have a choice, does it?


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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread NoOp
On 10/14/2009 06:50 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
...
 Out of curiosity I then installed 1.1.17 (complete) and the same problem
 occurs there as well, so it's not just 2.0(x) that does not allow using
 an alternate email application.
   Note: I'd never encountered this before as I've always just had
 SeaMonkey set as my default email client for as long as I can remember.
 
...
 
 I beg to differ.  In my office, I installed the Browser only component 
 of Seamonkey 1.1.8.  I need to use Outlook for the office Exchange 
 Server.  If I click on a mailto: link, it correctly launches Outlook.
 
 Of course, since the Seamonkey mail/news client isn't installed it 
 really doesn't have a choice, does it?
 

Perhaps you need to attend the same reading comprehension classes that I
do on occasion :-)

quote
I then installed 1.1.17 (complete)
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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread Russell
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0400, KristleBawl kristleb...@some.email wrote:

Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
and set the value to true.

Hi KristleBawl,

I celebrated too soon... :-(

I reinstalled Seamonkey 2 RC thinking that the above would work and I could
start using it for day-to-day browsing. But for some reason it does not. Still
launches its built-in email client when clicking on mailto links.

Have you tried the above with success?

Russell.

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Re: Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature?

2009-10-14 Thread KristleBawl

Russell wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0400, KristleBawl kristleb...@some.email wrote:


Open about:config (type it in your address bar and press Enter)
Proceed past the warning. Right-click somewhere in the list, and choose 
New  Boolean. Enter network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto as the name 
and set the value to true.


Hi KristleBawl,

I celebrated too soon... :-(

I reinstalled Seamonkey 2 RC thinking that the above would work and I could
start using it for day-to-day browsing. But for some reason it does not. Still
launches its built-in email client when clicking on mailto links.

Have you tried the above with success?

Russell.

After the above, make sure Seamonkey is *not* the default mail client 
(it probably becomes default during installation) and open your 
preferred mail client and reset it as the default.  It should work.


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