Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-23 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey

Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:50:09 +0200, _Stanimir Stamenkov_:

Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:13:34 -0800 (PST), _jamielansford@gmail.com_:

I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent. 
Lately, SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or 
graphics, sometimes where I had entered spaces.  For example, I typed 
this correctly, but this is what appeared in the copy I sent to myself:


No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 1.??

Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the 
cost of PHV, I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I 
suppose effective as of January 1.?? I still think the money is worth 
spending rather than having issues at deposition or later for not 
having gotten admitted.


Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's 
getting embarrassing.


You've said in another reply the problem persists with previous 2.48 as 
with latest 2.49 versions as well.  It could very well be a problem 
specific to your SeaMonkey profile settings – you may try reproducing it 
with a new clean profile, for example.


In the mean time could you have a look at your SeaMonkey settings:

     Preferences / Mail & Newsgroups / Text Encoding

and the "Default Text Encoding" in the "Server Settings" for specific 
Mail/News accounts – if you have changed any of the defaults it might 
lead to such unexpected results.


Have a look at specific Mail/News folder Properties (right-click a 
folder), also:


     Fallback Text Encoding: [_]

     [ ] Apply encoding to all messages in the folder (individual 
message text encoding settings and auto-detection will be ignored)


Also, have a look at the  page:

mailnews.force_charset_override false

If you have it changed it to |true| instead – it would cause problems 
for sure.


https://support.mozilla.org/questions/1042608
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556254

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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-23 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey

Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:13:34 -0800 (PST), _jamielansford@gmail.com_:

I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent.  
Lately, SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or 
graphics, sometimes where I had entered spaces.  For example, I typed 
this correctly, but this is what appeared in the copy I sent to 
myself:


No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 
1.??


Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the 
cost of PHV, I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I 
suppose effective as of January 1.?? I still think the money is worth 
spending rather than having issues at deposition or later for not 
having gotten admitted.


Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's 
getting embarrassing.


You've said in another reply the problem persists with previous 2.48 as 
with latest 2.49 versions as well.  It could very well be a problem 
specific to your SeaMonkey profile settings – you may try reproducing it 
with a new clean profile, for example.


In the mean time could you have a look at your SeaMonkey settings:

Preferences / Mail & Newsgroups / Text Encoding

and the "Default Text Encoding" in the "Server Settings" for specific 
Mail/News accounts – if you have changed any of the defaults it might 
lead to such unexpected results.


Have a look at specific Mail/News folder Properties (right-click a 
folder), also:


Fallback Text Encoding: [_]

[ ] Apply encoding to all messages in the folder (individual 
message text encoding settings and auto-detection will be ignored)


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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread cmcadams

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from 
smtp.att.yahoo.com to
smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried before with the same 
results.
BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP server, if the box that pops up 
after you click Send is a
true indication. It was still using att.yahoo.com.

Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


A couple of years ago I was told to switch my SMTP from smtp.att.yahoo.com to 
outbound.att.net.
Don't know why you are still using smtp.att.yahoo.com Just my 2 cents. However, 
it may not have
anything to do with your problem


Because no one ever told me that. And I don't know either.


Also POP3 is incoming.att.net  It was covered here:

https://forums.att.com/t5/AT-T-Internet-Email-Security/Update-Email-Server-Settings-for-AT-amp-T-Email/td-p/4312314


Interesting. Nope, nobody notified me, and all the old settings are still working. 
Frank-Rainer Grahl's suggestion worked today with the smpte server. It was a SM 
configuration problem.






Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with 
Thunderbird so if
you run this too try there also.

FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through the 
ATT/Yahoo SMTP
server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company (Bluehost) 
server.

This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to 
even acknowledge
there was a problem.

They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to inundate 
us with ads in
webmail.

Lem Johnson












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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread Arnie Goetchius
cmcadams wrote:
> Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>> cmcadams wrote:
>>> This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP 
>>> from smtp.att.yahoo.com to
>>> smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried before with the 
>>> same results.
>>> BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP server, if the box that pops up 
>>> after you click Send is a
>>> true indication. It was still using att.yahoo.com.
>>>
>>> Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...
>>>
>>> Craig
>>
>> A couple of years ago I was told to switch my SMTP from smtp.att.yahoo.com 
>> to outbound.att.net.
>> Don't know why you are still using smtp.att.yahoo.com Just my 2 cents. 
>> However, it may not have
>> anything to do with your problem
> 
> Because no one ever told me that. And I don't know either.

Also POP3 is incoming.att.net  It was covered here:

https://forums.att.com/t5/AT-T-Internet-Email-Security/Update-Email-Server-Settings-for-AT-amp-T-Email/td-p/4312314
> 
>>>
>>> Lemuel Johnson wrote:
 On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code 
> with Thunderbird so if
> you run this too try there also.
>
> FRG
>

 The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through 
 the ATT/Yahoo SMTP
 server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company (Bluehost) 
 server.

 This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them 
 to even acknowledge
 there was a problem.

 They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to 
 inundate us with ads in
 webmail.

 Lem Johnson
>>>
>>
> 
> 

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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread cmcadams

jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:58:06 PM UTC-6, Jamie Lansford wrote:

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-6, cmcadams wrote:

Thunderbird menus (as in the link) are different from SM, but I solved the 
problem of
switching to smtp.gmail.com in 2.49.2 by the expedient of deleting 
smtp.att.yahoo.com.

2.49.2 doesn't seem to like being required to use multiple smtp servers, any 
more
than switching default search engines.

As an experiment I reinstalled SM 2.48. End of problems. 2.48 has no problem 
sending
through gmail's smtp without needing to delete anything. Or with sending through
Yahoo's smtp without producing spurious characters in the final result.

So I'll be using 2.48 at least until 2.49.3 arrives. This is sad!


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3038519=15

cmcadams wrote:

This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from
smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried
before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP 
server, if
the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was still 
using
att.yahoo.com.

Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.

FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through the
ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company
(Bluehost) server.

This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to 
even
acknowledge there was a problem.

They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to inundate 
us
with ads in webmail.

Lem Johnson




I just tried to reinstall 2.48, but the problem persisted for me.


I am still on 2.48, and had to add gmail outgoing smtp info and delete the 
outbound.att.net.  Google sent me messages that (1) someone tried to access and 
I got an error message and to allow access to less secure apps and then when I 
allowed it (2) got another message that access for less secure apps has been 
turned on and telling me it will be easier to break into my account and I could 
undo the change and switch to apps made by google such as Gmail.  I am going to 
try to go back to 2.49.2 and see if they get over the insecurity issue, but 
regardless, it got rid of the random punctuation!!  Thanks to everyone and 
let's hope that 2.49.3 resolves the issue.



If you get a gmail warning for something you've just done intentionally, it's 
generally okay to just say yes and let it pass.


Frank-Rainer Grahl's suggestion to go to about:config and toggle mail.strictly_mime 
to true in 2.49.2 does seem to work with the spurious characters and I can also 
switch between smtpe servers and have it stick. I'm also reading in this thread that 
yahoo may have just changed its settings. So I don't actually know... :P

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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread cmcadams

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from 
smtp.att.yahoo.com to
smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried before with the same 
results.
BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP server, if the box that pops up 
after you click Send is a
true indication. It was still using att.yahoo.com.

Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


A couple of years ago I was told to switch my SMTP from smtp.att.yahoo.com to 
outbound.att.net.
Don't know why you are still using smtp.att.yahoo.com Just my 2 cents. However, 
it may not have
anything to do with your problem


Because no one ever told me that. And I don't know either.



Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with 
Thunderbird so if
you run this too try there also.

FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through the 
ATT/Yahoo SMTP
server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company (Bluehost) 
server.

This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to 
even acknowledge
there was a problem.

They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to inundate 
us with ads in
webmail.

Lem Johnson







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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread Lemuel Johnson

On 2/22/2018 3:28 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Currently this points to a yahoo mail server issue and not to a 
SeaMonkey or Thunderbird problem.


Try setting mail.strictly_mime to true and see if it solves your problem.

FRG



I think someone at Yahoo/ATT fixed it.  As of 6:00 CST 2/22 my outbound 
emails sent through SeaMonkey do not exhibit the problem.


Lem Johnson

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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread Arnie Goetchius
cmcadams wrote:
> This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP 
> from smtp.att.yahoo.com to
> smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried before with the 
> same results.
> BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP server, if the box that pops up 
> after you click Send is a
> true indication. It was still using att.yahoo.com.
> 
> Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...
> 
> Craig

A couple of years ago I was told to switch my SMTP from smtp.att.yahoo.com to 
outbound.att.net.
Don't know why you are still using smtp.att.yahoo.com Just my 2 cents. However, 
it may not have
anything to do with your problem

> 
> Lemuel Johnson wrote:
>> On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>>> If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code 
>>> with Thunderbird so if
>>> you run this too try there also.
>>>
>>> FRG
>>>
>>
>> The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through 
>> the ATT/Yahoo SMTP
>> server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company (Bluehost) 
>> server.
>>
>> This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to 
>> even acknowledge
>> there was a problem.
>>
>> They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to 
>> inundate us with ads in
>> webmail.
>>
>> Lem Johnson
> 

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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl
Currently this points to a yahoo mail server issue and not to a SeaMonkey or 
Thunderbird problem.


Try setting mail.strictly_mime to true and see if it solves your problem.

FRG

jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:58:06 PM UTC-6, Jamie Lansford wrote:

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-6, cmcadams wrote:

Thunderbird menus (as in the link) are different from SM, but I solved the 
problem of
switching to smtp.gmail.com in 2.49.2 by the expedient of deleting 
smtp.att.yahoo.com.

2.49.2 doesn't seem to like being required to use multiple smtp servers, any 
more
than switching default search engines.

As an experiment I reinstalled SM 2.48. End of problems. 2.48 has no problem 
sending
through gmail's smtp without needing to delete anything. Or with sending through
Yahoo's smtp without producing spurious characters in the final result.

So I'll be using 2.48 at least until 2.49.3 arrives. This is sad!


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3038519=15

cmcadams wrote:

This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from
smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried
before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP 
server, if
the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was still 
using
att.yahoo.com.

Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.

FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through the
ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company
(Bluehost) server.

This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to 
even
acknowledge there was a problem.

They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to inundate 
us
with ads in webmail.

Lem Johnson




I just tried to reinstall 2.48, but the problem persisted for me.


I am still on 2.48, and had to add gmail outgoing smtp info and delete the 
outbound.att.net.  Google sent me messages that (1) someone tried to access and 
I got an error message and to allow access to less secure apps and then when I 
allowed it (2) got another message that access for less secure apps has been 
turned on and telling me it will be easier to break into my account and I could 
undo the change and switch to apps made by google such as Gmail.  I am going to 
try to go back to 2.49.2 and see if they get over the insecurity issue, but 
regardless, it got rid of the random punctuation!!  Thanks to everyone and 
let's hope that 2.49.3 resolves the issue.


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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread jamielansford
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:58:06 PM UTC-6, Jamie Lansford wrote:
> On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-6, cmcadams wrote:
> > Thunderbird menus (as in the link) are different from SM, but I solved the 
> > problem of 
> > switching to smtp.gmail.com in 2.49.2 by the expedient of deleting 
> > smtp.att.yahoo.com.
> > 
> > 2.49.2 doesn't seem to like being required to use multiple smtp servers, 
> > any more 
> > than switching default search engines.
> > 
> > As an experiment I reinstalled SM 2.48. End of problems. 2.48 has no 
> > problem sending 
> > through gmail's smtp without needing to delete anything. Or with sending 
> > through 
> > Yahoo's smtp without producing spurious characters in the final result.
> > 
> > So I'll be using 2.48 at least until 2.49.3 arrives. This is sad!
> > 
> > 
> > Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> > > http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3038519=15
> > >
> > > cmcadams wrote:
> > >> This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default 
> > >> SMTP from
> > >> smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example 
> > >> I tried
> > >> before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP 
> > >> server, if
> > >> the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was 
> > >> still using
> > >> att.yahoo.com.
> > >>
> > >> Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...
> > >>
> > >> Craig
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Lemuel Johnson wrote:
> > >>> On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> >  If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news 
> >  code with
> >  Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.
> > 
> >  FRG
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send 
> > >>> through the
> > >>> ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting 
> > >>> company
> > >>> (Bluehost) server.
> > >>>
> > >>> This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for 
> > >>> them to even
> > >>> acknowledge there was a problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to 
> > >>> inundate us
> > >>> with ads in webmail.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lem Johnson
> > >>
> 
> I just tried to reinstall 2.48, but the problem persisted for me.

I am still on 2.48, and had to add gmail outgoing smtp info and delete the 
outbound.att.net.  Google sent me messages that (1) someone tried to access and 
I got an error message and to allow access to less secure apps and then when I 
allowed it (2) got another message that access for less secure apps has been 
turned on and telling me it will be easier to break into my account and I could 
undo the change and switch to apps made by google such as Gmail.  I am going to 
try to go back to 2.49.2 and see if they get over the insecurity issue, but 
regardless, it got rid of the random punctuation!!  Thanks to everyone and 
let's hope that 2.49.3 resolves the issue.
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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread jamielansford
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-6, cmcadams wrote:
> Thunderbird menus (as in the link) are different from SM, but I solved the 
> problem of 
> switching to smtp.gmail.com in 2.49.2 by the expedient of deleting 
> smtp.att.yahoo.com.
> 
> 2.49.2 doesn't seem to like being required to use multiple smtp servers, any 
> more 
> than switching default search engines.
> 
> As an experiment I reinstalled SM 2.48. End of problems. 2.48 has no problem 
> sending 
> through gmail's smtp without needing to delete anything. Or with sending 
> through 
> Yahoo's smtp without producing spurious characters in the final result.
> 
> So I'll be using 2.48 at least until 2.49.3 arrives. This is sad!
> 
> 
> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> > http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3038519=15
> >
> > cmcadams wrote:
> >> This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP 
> >> from
> >> smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I 
> >> tried
> >> before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP 
> >> server, if
> >> the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was 
> >> still using
> >> att.yahoo.com.
> >>
> >> Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>
> >> Lemuel Johnson wrote:
> >>> On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>  If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code 
>  with
>  Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.
> 
>  FRG
> 
> >>>
> >>> The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through 
> >>> the
> >>> ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting 
> >>> company
> >>> (Bluehost) server.
> >>>
> >>> This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them 
> >>> to even
> >>> acknowledge there was a problem.
> >>>
> >>> They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to 
> >>> inundate us
> >>> with ads in webmail.
> >>>
> >>> Lem Johnson
> >>

I just tried to reinstall 2.48, but the problem persisted for me.  
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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread jamielansford
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-6, cmcadams wrote:
> Thunderbird menus (as in the link) are different from SM, but I solved the 
> problem of 
> switching to smtp.gmail.com in 2.49.2 by the expedient of deleting 
> smtp.att.yahoo.com.
> 
> 2.49.2 doesn't seem to like being required to use multiple smtp servers, any 
> more 
> than switching default search engines.
> 
> As an experiment I reinstalled SM 2.48. End of problems. 2.48 has no problem 
> sending 
> through gmail's smtp without needing to delete anything. Or with sending 
> through 
> Yahoo's smtp without producing spurious characters in the final result.
> 
> So I'll be using 2.48 at least until 2.49.3 arrives. This is sad!
> 
> 
> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> > http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3038519=15
> >
> > cmcadams wrote:
> >> This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP 
> >> from
> >> smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I 
> >> tried
> >> before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP 
> >> server, if
> >> the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was 
> >> still using
> >> att.yahoo.com.
> >>
> >> Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>
> >> Lemuel Johnson wrote:
> >>> On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>  If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code 
>  with
>  Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.
> 
>  FRG
> 
> >>>
> >>> The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through 
> >>> the
> >>> ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting 
> >>> company
> >>> (Bluehost) server.
> >>>
> >>> This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them 
> >>> to even
> >>> acknowledge there was a problem.
> >>>
> >>> They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to 
> >>> inundate us
> >>> with ads in webmail.
> >>>
> >>> Lem Johnson
> >>

I will try going back to 2.48.  I had the problem using 2.49.1 and hoped 2.49.2 
would fix it, but evidently not.  I am not sure about changing servers as I am 
concerned it will mess up my phone and tablet email, but I am willing to try to 
live with 2.48 for now.
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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread jamielansford
On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 2:20:51 AM UTC-6, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with 
> Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.
> 
> FRG
> 
> 
> cmcadams wrote:
> > jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent.  
> >> Lately, SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or graphics, 
> >> sometimes where I had entered spaces.  For example, I typed this 
> >> correctly, 
> >> but this is what appeared in the copy I sent to myself:
> >>
> >> No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 1.??
> >>
> >> Another example:
> >>
> >>
> >> ?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the cost 
> >> of PHV, I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I suppose 
> >> effective as of January 1.?? I still think the money is worth spending 
> >> rather than having issues at deposition or later for not having gotten 
> >> admitted.
> >>
> >> Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's 
> >> getting 
> >> embarrassing.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> > 
> > Bingo! I was getting this last night sending quotes from a story on the BBC 
> > website in an HTML email. In my case single quotes "'" and double quotes 
> > '"' 
> > and hyphens "-" were also being converted to multiple question marks in 
> > both 
> > the Yahoo and Gmail web browsers.
> > 
> > I reverted to SM 2.49.1 to see if the problem was solely with 2.49.2, but 
> > it 
> > wasn't. The problem also occurred when sending from 2.49.1.
> > 
> > My best thought was that BBC was intentionally using nonstandard 
> > 'lookalike' 
> > characters, to make copying more difficult, with characters from 
> > non-English 
> > character sets that the online browsers couldn't deal with.
> > 
> > For inquiring minds:
> > 
> > http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170303-eight-words-that-changed-the-way-we-think
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >

I don't really know how to do bug reporting.  Beyond my skill set, I am afraid.
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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread cmcadams
Thunderbird menus (as in the link) are different from SM, but I solved the problem of 
switching to smtp.gmail.com in 2.49.2 by the expedient of deleting smtp.att.yahoo.com.


2.49.2 doesn't seem to like being required to use multiple smtp servers, any more 
than switching default search engines.


As an experiment I reinstalled SM 2.48. End of problems. 2.48 has no problem sending 
through gmail's smtp without needing to delete anything. Or with sending through 
Yahoo's smtp without producing spurious characters in the final result.


So I'll be using 2.48 at least until 2.49.3 arrives. This is sad!


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3038519=15

cmcadams wrote:

This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from
smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried
before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP 
server, if
the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was still 
using
att.yahoo.com.

Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.

FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through the
ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company
(Bluehost) server.

This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to 
even
acknowledge there was a problem.

They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to inundate 
us
with ads in webmail.

Lem Johnson




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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3038519=15

cmcadams wrote:
This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from 
smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I 
tried before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP 
server, if the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It 
was still using att.yahoo.com.


Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code 
with Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.


FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through 
the ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting 
company (Bluehost) server.


This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to 
even acknowledge there was a problem.


They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to 
inundate us with ads in webmail.


Lem Johnson



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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-22 Thread Ed Mullen

On 2/21/2018 at 11:17 PM, cmcadams created this epitome of digital genius:
This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default 
SMTP from smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating 
the example I tried before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was 
NOT using Gmail's SMTP server, if the box that pops up after you click 
Send is a true indication. It was still using att.yahoo.com.


Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...


Change the SMTP server for the email account itself.  It may be set to 
use a specific server instead of the default.



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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-21 Thread cmcadams
This is interesting. As an experiment I changed my SM 2.49.2 default SMTP from 
smtp.att.yahoo.com to smtp.gmail.com. Then I tried repeating the example I tried 
before with the same results. BUT...Seamonkey was NOT using Gmail's SMTP server, if 
the box that pops up after you click Send is a true indication. It was still using 
att.yahoo.com.


Either something's wrong or PEBKAC...

Craig


Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with 
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.


FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send through the 
ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use my hosting company 
(Bluehost) server.


This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for them to even 
acknowledge there was a problem.


They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to inundate us 
with ads in webmail.


Lem Johnson


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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-21 Thread Lemuel Johnson

On 2/21/2018 4:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Lemuel Johnson wrote on 21-02-18 20:54:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news 
code with Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.


FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send 
through the ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use 
my hosting company (Bluehost) server.


This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for 
them to even acknowledge there was a problem.


They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to 
inundate us with ads in webmail.


Lem Johnson
Perhaps the problem is because both mail/clients did not use the same 
charset ...


The problem occurs on notes I send to myself...!

Lem Johnson
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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-21 Thread Ray_Net

Lemuel Johnson wrote on 21-02-18 20:54:

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news 
code with Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.


FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send 
through the ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use 
my hosting company (Bluehost) server.


This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for 
them to even acknowledge there was a problem.


They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to 
inundate us with ads in webmail.


Lem Johnson
Perhaps the problem is because both mail/clients did not use the same 
charset ...

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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-21 Thread Lemuel Johnson

On 2/21/2018 2:20 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code 
with Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.


FRG



The problem occurs in both current TB and SM.  But ONLY if I send 
through the ATT/Yahoo SMTP server.  The issue does not appear if I use 
my hosting company (Bluehost) server.


This is bad.  The last time I went down this road it took MONTHS for 
them to even acknowledge there was a problem.


They do not want people to use email clients.  They want to be able to 
inundate us with ads in webmail.


Lem Johnson
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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-21 Thread cmcadams
Yes to both, so we shall see. No obvious category for the email component, so 
categorized under General.


Craig


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with 
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.


FRG


cmcadams wrote:

jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:
I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent. Lately, 
SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or graphics, sometimes where I 
had entered spaces.  For example, I typed this correctly, but this is what 
appeared in the copy I sent to myself:


No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 1.??

Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the cost of PHV, 
I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I suppose effective as of 
January 1.?? I still think the money is worth spending rather than having issues 
at deposition or later for not having gotten admitted.


Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's getting 
embarrassing.


Thank you.



Bingo! I was getting this last night sending quotes from a story on the BBC website 
in an HTML email. In my case single quotes "'" and double quotes '"' and hyphens 
"-" were also being converted to multiple question marks in both the Yahoo and 
Gmail web browsers.


I reverted to SM 2.49.1 to see if the problem was solely with 2.49.2, but it 
wasn't. The problem also occurred when sending from 2.49.1.


My best thought was that BBC was intentionally using nonstandard 'lookalike' 
characters, to make copying more difficult, with characters from non-English 
character sets that the online browsers couldn't deal with.


For inquiring minds:

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170303-eight-words-that-changed-the-way-we-think




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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-21 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl
If you can reproduce it file a bug. Might be in shared mail / news code with 
Thunderbird so if you run this too try there also.


FRG


cmcadams wrote:

jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:
I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent.  
Lately, SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or graphics, 
sometimes where I had entered spaces.  For example, I typed this correctly, 
but this is what appeared in the copy I sent to myself:


No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 1.??

Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the cost 
of PHV, I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I suppose 
effective as of January 1.?? I still think the money is worth spending 
rather than having issues at deposition or later for not having gotten 
admitted.


Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's getting 
embarrassing.


Thank you.



Bingo! I was getting this last night sending quotes from a story on the BBC 
website in an HTML email. In my case single quotes "'" and double quotes '"' 
and hyphens "-" were also being converted to multiple question marks in both 
the Yahoo and Gmail web browsers.


I reverted to SM 2.49.1 to see if the problem was solely with 2.49.2, but it 
wasn't. The problem also occurred when sending from 2.49.1.


My best thought was that BBC was intentionally using nonstandard 'lookalike' 
characters, to make copying more difficult, with characters from non-English 
character sets that the online browsers couldn't deal with.


For inquiring minds:

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170303-eight-words-that-changed-the-way-we-think 





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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-20 Thread cmcadams

jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:

I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent.  Lately, 
SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or graphics, sometimes where 
I had entered spaces.  For example, I typed this correctly, but this is what 
appeared in the copy I sent to myself:

No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 1.??

Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the cost of 
PHV, I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I suppose effective 
as of January 1.?? I still think the money is worth spending rather than having 
issues at deposition or later for not having gotten admitted.

Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's getting 
embarrassing.

Thank you.



Bingo! I was getting this last night sending quotes from a story on the BBC website 
in an HTML email. In my case single quotes "'" and double quotes '"' and hyphens "-" 
were also being converted to multiple question marks in both the Yahoo and Gmail web 
browsers.


I reverted to SM 2.49.1 to see if the problem was solely with 2.49.2, but it wasn't. 
The problem also occurred when sending from 2.49.1.


My best thought was that BBC was intentionally using nonstandard 'lookalike' 
characters, to make copying more difficult, with characters from non-English 
character sets that the online browsers couldn't deal with.


For inquiring minds:

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170303-eight-words-that-changed-the-way-we-think


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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-20 Thread Frosted Flake

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/20/2018 6:13 PM, jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:
I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent.  
Lately, SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or 
graphics, sometimes where I had entered spaces.  For example, I typed 
this correctly, but this is what appeared in the copy I sent to myself:


No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 1.??

Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the 
cost of PHV, I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I 
suppose effective as of January 1.?? I still think the money is worth 
spending rather than having issues at deposition or later for not 
having gotten admitted.


Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's 
getting embarrassing.


Thank you.



Happened to me today as well.  Looks like it's every time I double-space 
after a period (not breaking that habit).  This is a note I just sent to 
myself:


This is followed by two spaces.?? This is followed by a single space. 
This is more text.


Lem Johnson

Something similar Happened a while back to a post that I made.  I am in 
the habit of using two spaces after a full stop (period) before a new 
sentence.  I don't remember who it was, but someone asked why I was 
putting, I think, x'0A32' before the new sentence.  IIRC, we never did 
figure out what was going on but either the first or second space 
somehow got changed to a non-standard character.  All of the sentences 
in this message (except the first, of course) are preceded by two spaces 
like here  without the full stop (period).  This is written with the 
latest, just downloaded and installed version of SeaMonkey, 2.49.2



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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-20 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:


I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent.
Lately, SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or
graphics, sometimes where I had entered spaces.  For example, I typed
this correctly, but this is what appeared in the copy I sent to
myself:

No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January
1.??

Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the
cost of PHV, I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I
suppose effective as of January 1.?? I still think the money is worth
spending rather than having issues at deposition or later for not
having gotten admitted.

Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's
getting embarrassing.


Not happening with 2.49.1. But I have noted an annoying tendency to 
eliminate the blank line after quoted material before my new text. I've 
gotten in the habit of saving to Drafts to inspect before sending.


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Re: Strange punctuation randomly inserted in email

2018-02-20 Thread Lemuel Johnson

On 2/20/2018 6:13 PM, jamielansf...@gmail.com wrote:

I typically bcc myself and so I see replies and messages I have sent.  Lately, 
SeaMonkey seems to be inserting random punctuation or graphics, sometimes where 
I had entered spaces.  For example, I typed this correctly, but this is what 
appeared in the copy I sent to myself:

No.?? They went up to $100 per, effective -- I believe -- January 1.??

Another example:


?? I am sorry that when I wrote the email the other day about the cost of 
PHV, I did not realize that the PHV fee had been doubled, I suppose effective 
as of January 1.?? I still think the money is worth spending rather than having 
issues at deposition or later for not having gotten admitted.

Any ideas what to do about this would be largely appreciated.  It's getting 
embarrassing.

Thank you.



Happened to me today as well.  Looks like it's every time I double-space 
after a period (not breaking that habit).  This is a note I just sent to 
myself:


This is followed by two spaces.?? This is followed by a single space. 
This is more text.


Lem Johnson

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