Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: 1) Which systems will the new version(s) of SM be available and supported on? I.e. not just Microsoft operating systems on Intel cpus. For example: Apple MacIntoshes on their version of U*ix, Mac G4s, other Unices, Sparc solaris, et.c. Windows 2000 and higher, Mac OS 10.4 and higher, Linux/Unix with GTK 2.10 or higher, other systems (e.g. OS/2) depending on the code of their Mozilla platform ports, I don't have much insight there See also http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements for the system requirements of the official builds (Windows, Mac, Linux) 2) What support are we all looking for? A stable series such as 1.1.x is only about security and stability fixes in any case, new features don't have any place there, that's what development series are for. For regressions and other non-enhancement bugs, where they can be fixes depends very much on how intrusive, large and risky the patches are. If all of that is low enough and the reward of fixing them is high enough and the fix has baked long enough in development nightlies to show it doesn't break anything, approval to take them in a stable series (such as 1.1.x or later this year 2.0.x) will be granted by the SeaMonkey Council, if requested by the patch author. Note that all of this needs someone to even work on it and provide a patch in the first place. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
In 9kadnatbvfsgnibunz2dnuvz_uown...@mozilla.org, on 03/13/09 at 06:14 PM, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com said: Oldest OS on computers with internet access should be Win2000 by now for most companies ;-) sorry, but I still know of a couple of companies that are still using win95 A few may still use IBM's OS/2 Warp, or the OEM version eComStation. Alan -- -- ** Please use address alanh77[at]comcast.net to reply via e-mail. ** -- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
nobodyh...@min.net wrote: In9kadnatbvfsgnibunz2dnuvz_uown...@mozilla.org, on 03/13/09 at 06:14 PM, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com said: Oldest OS on computers with internet access should be Win2000 by now for most companies ;-) sorry, but I still know of a couple of companies that are still using win95 A few may still use IBM's OS/2 Warp, or the OEM version eComStation. Alan You are correct, though since the discussion related to Windows, I am sure that Grant intended Windows to be assumed. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
nobodyh...@min.net wrote: In 9kadnatbvfsgnibunz2dnuvz_uown...@mozilla.org, on 03/13/09 at 06:14 PM, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com said: Oldest OS on computers with internet access should be Win2000 by now for most companies ;-) sorry, but I still know of a couple of companies that are still using win95 A few may still use IBM's OS/2 Warp, or the OEM version eComStation. In all of this discussion about dropped support for SM 1.x on various Windows versions after the release of SM 2*, there has been no mention of several issues: 1) Which systems will the new version(s) of SM be available and supported on? I.e. not just Microsoft operating systems on Intel cpus. For example: Apple MacIntoshes on their version of U*ix, Mac G4s, other Unices, Sparc solaris, et.c. 2) What support are we all looking for? 2.1)Is it strictly fixing security holes/bugs? 2.2)Is it repair of other existing bugs, including regressions introduced with the 1.x improvements? :-( 2.3)Is it introduction of new features ? I would gladly settle for 2.1 2.2. I could care less about 2.3 If and when I run into missing bells and whistles, I'll find other tools. But I like SM and would like, and was hoping for, a reliable bug free program. -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
Robert Kaiser wrote: I don't see why a computer with an old, outdated, and insecure operating system needs security updates for its browser for much longer. Yeah, yeah, enough with the personal vendetta already. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
Leonidas Jones wrote: None the less, I am in complete agreement with Robert, it is simply not realistic for the SeaMonkey Project to continue to support Win 98/ME. Hey, you forgot Windows 95! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
Benoit Renard wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: None the less, I am in complete agreement with Robert, it is simply not realistic for the SeaMonkey Project to continue to support Win 98/ME. Hey, you forgot Windows 95! I have no personal knowledge of offices still using 95, though I am sure they are out there. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
Robert Kaiser wrote: mail2news wrote: SM 2.x is not compatible with old Windows versions (Windows 9x, Me, NT) ou with old computer but there are many and many offices and professionnal computers that use it... I don't see why a computer with an old, outdated, and insecure operating system needs security updates for its browser for much longer. That said, the code will still be out there, we will just not be issuing new compiled and tested releases for it, mainly because our team is too small to build and test old code for a long time next to the new one. Apart from that, the machines building 1.1.x are old computers that are loud and consume a good amount of energy (esp. the Windows one) and I'll celebrate the day when I can switch off those old things sitting in my basement. I've got to ask. So if it was September you'd be more inclined to keep the updates running till next June? GDRFC David Who has comfort issues in his basement office during the summer. :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
David L. Ross wrote: I've got to ask. So if it was September you'd be more inclined to keep the updates running till next June? GDRFC Not really, it's of an energy consumption and noise problem than a heat problem. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
mail2news wrote: I see that we talk about SM 2.0 (noux in 2.0 Alpha 3) but I hope that you continue to update SM 1.1.x SM 2.x is not compatible with old Windows versions (Windows 9x, Me, NT) ou with old computer but there are many and many offices and professionnal computers that use it... The older version generally gets security updates for about 6 months after a new release. However, with the limited number of volunteer developers working on the SeaMonkey project, it is not realistic to expect anything past that. I am sure Robert will chime in with more official information. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
mail2news wrote: I see that we talk about SM 2.0 (noux in 2.0 Alpha 3) but I hope that you continue to update SM 1.1.x SM 2.x is not compatible with old Windows versions (Windows 9x, Me, NT) ou with old computer but there are many and many offices and professionnal computers that use it... You might investigate this: http://google.com/search?q=cache:sox3qEaSjNMJ:x86.neostrada.pl/KernelEx+MSIMG32.DLL+pl+*-Windows-98-and-*-Millennium+will.crash+endlessly+via+*-compatibility-layer-to-allow-running-Windows-XP-only-applications+disabled+reach+unresolved.issue http://x86.neostrada.pl/KernelEx (Useful for OpenOffice.org 3 under Win9x as well.) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
mail2news schrieb: I see that we talk about SM 2.0 (noux in 2.0 Alpha 3) but I hope that you continue to update SM 1.1.x SM 2.x is not compatible with old Windows versions (Windows 9x, Me, NT) ou with old computer but there are many and many offices and professionnal computers that use it... Oldest OS on computers with internet access should be Win2000 by now for most companies ;-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x
Martin Feitag wrote: mail2news schrieb: I see that we talk about SM 2.0 (noux in 2.0 Alpha 3) but I hope that you continue to update SM 1.1.x SM 2.x is not compatible with old Windows versions (Windows 9x, Me, NT) ou with old computer but there are many and many offices and professionnal computers that use it... Oldest OS on computers with internet access should be Win2000 by now for most companies ;-) sorry, but I still know of a couple of companies that are still using win95 -- *IMPORTANT*: Sorry folks, but I cannot provide email help Emails to me may become public Notice: This posting is protected under the Free Speech Laws, which applies everywhere in the FREE world, except for some strange reason, not to the mozilla.org newsgroup servers, where your posting may get you banned. Peter Potamus His Magic Flying Balloon: http://melaman2.com/cartoons/singles/mp3/p-potamus.mp3 http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
