Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]

[Nicholas Sturm]

If you pester anyone too much it can be self defeating.  Perhaps
unintentionally as they consume much time deleting your messages from their
files.  Or intentionally if they choose to block the excesses traffic.

>
> "We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get
open-net deployed."
>

Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]

[Matthew Toseland]

This is not true. A global darknet is feasible, as I have explained:
National barriers, and even language barriers are by no means absolute,
and to the extent that they affect the network they can be dealt with.
If Freenet provides something of value, we can make a large darknet.

AND IF IT ISN'T THERE IS NO POINT IN DOING FREENET BECAUSE IF FREENET
EVER DOES MEET ITS GOALS IT WILL BE ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE.

That is not to say that opennet isn't important. Opennet will be
implemented. But not yet, because it is not time to do it yet. We do not
want to introduce more chaos to an already chaotic situation by
implementing opennet before we have even started to sort out load
balancing, for example.

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 03:53:20AM +0200, somebody wrote:
> >
> The answer is simple.  Without open-net and at least some reasonable 
> percentage of nodes
> operating as part of both open and dark nets, 0.7 will NEVER become part of 
> any global
> network.  It will instead be limited, broken into hundreds or thousands of 
> little
> 'island netowrks'
> 
> Open-net is required to tie these islands into a global network.
> 
> I will repeat something I read on frost recently,
> 
> "We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get 
> open-net deployed."
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ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]

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In [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year.
Hmmm.

On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens
 to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main
 network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is
 setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to
 everyone else.
 
 That is not true.  Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global  network, not
 multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.
 
 Ian.

 Ian,

 How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group
 trades connection information with someone in another group?

 Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in
 Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No
 one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and
 they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to
 because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their
 freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network?

The answer is simple.  Without open-net and at least some reasonable percentage 
of nodes
operating as part of both open and dark nets, 0.7 will NEVER become part of any 
global
network.  It will instead be limited, broken into hundreds or thousands of 
little
'island netowrks'

Open-net is required to tie these islands into a global network.

I will repeat something I read on frost recently,

We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get open-net 
deployed.


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Re: Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]

[Matthew Toseland]

This is not true. A global darknet is feasible, as I have explained:
National barriers, and even language barriers are by no means absolute,
and to the extent that they affect the network they can be dealt with.
If Freenet provides something of value, we can make a large darknet.

AND IF IT ISN'T THERE IS NO POINT IN DOING FREENET BECAUSE IF FREENET
EVER DOES MEET ITS GOALS IT WILL BE ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE.

That is not to say that opennet isn't important. Opennet will be
implemented. But not yet, because it is not time to do it yet. We do not
want to introduce more chaos to an already chaotic situation by
implementing opennet before we have even started to sort out load
balancing, for example.

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 03:53:20AM +0200, somebody wrote:
 
 The answer is simple.  Without open-net and at least some reasonable 
 percentage of nodes
 operating as part of both open and dark nets, 0.7 will NEVER become part of 
 any global
 network.  It will instead be limited, broken into hundreds or thousands of 
 little
 'island netowrks'
 
 Open-net is required to tie these islands into a global network.
 
 I will repeat something I read on frost recently,
 
 We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get 
 open-net deployed.
-- 
Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.


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RE: Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]

[Nicholas Sturm]

If you pester anyone too much it can be self defeating.  Perhaps
unintentionally as they consume much time deleting your messages from their
files.  Or intentionally if they choose to block the excesses traffic.


 We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get
open-net deployed.



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In <35af28770608261648v10edeb06mee2478eebf1be3b0 at mail.gmail.com> urza9814 at 
gmail.com wrote:
>Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year.
>Hmmm.
>
>On 8/26/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
>> >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens
>> >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main
>> >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is
>> >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to
>> >>everyone else.
>> >
>> >That is not true.  Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global  network, not
>> >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.
>> >
>> >Ian.
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group
>> trades connection information with someone in another group?
>>
>> Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in
>> Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No
>> one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and
>> they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to
>> because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their
>> freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network?

The answer is simple.  Without open-net and at least some reasonable percentage 
of nodes
operating as part of both open and dark nets, 0.7 will NEVER become part of any 
global
network.  It will instead be limited, broken into hundreds or thousands of 
little
'island netowrks'

Open-net is required to tie these islands into a global network.

I will repeat something I read on frost recently,

"We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get open-net 
deployed."


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