Re: [freenet-support] Connection between stable and unstable network

2004-01-08 Thread Toad
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 06:31:48PM +, Roger Hayter wrote:
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 Hi,
 
 --- Roger Hayter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Has anyone noticed that Frost messages in some
 popular boards seem
 almost all to be retrievable both from the stable
 and the unstable
 network? ... doesn't this suggest that some nodes
 must be
 connecting to both networks?
 
 I haven't noticed this (I've never had much luck with
 Frost) but are you using two totally separate nodes
 for browsing?
 
 Yes
 
 
 If you're just switching one node
 between the networks then, after switching, the
 datastore will still have the messages cached after
 they were retrieved on the other network.
 
 On the same topic, would it be a good idea (or indeed
 feasible) to run two nodes, one on each network, with
 the same datastore encryption key, which are
 periodically stopped and synchronised in order to
 narrow the schism between the networks and aid the
 flow of content?
 
 Regards,
 Stephen
 
 
 Perhaps people doing this is one possible explanation of my observation.

More likely is simply that we get new nodes migrating from stable to
unstable constantly, bringing their datastore with them.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [freenet-support] Connection between stable and unstable network

2004-01-08 Thread Toad
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 01:01:19PM +, Stephen Mollett wrote:
 Hi,
 
  --- Roger Hayter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Has anyone noticed that Frost messages in some
  popular boards seem 
  almost all to be retrievable both from the stable
  and the unstable 
  network? ... doesn't this suggest that some nodes
 must be
  connecting to both networks?
 
 I haven't noticed this (I've never had much luck with
 Frost) but are you using two totally separate nodes
 for browsing? If you're just switching one node
 between the networks then, after switching, the
 datastore will still have the messages cached after
 they were retrieved on the other network.
 
 On the same topic, would it be a good idea (or indeed
 feasible) to run two nodes, one on each network, with
 the same datastore encryption key, which are
 periodically stopped and synchronised in order to
 narrow the schism between the networks and aid the
 flow of content?

It would even be possible to spider the network, or scan one's store,
and then reinsert data onto a different network, without necessarily
knowing the decrypted contents or the SSK keys. However unstablenet is a
lot smaller than stablenet, so it wouldn't be very practical.
 
 Regards,
 Stephen
 
 
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Re: [freenet-support] Connection between stable and unstable network

2004-01-08 Thread Toad
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:55:15AM +, Toad wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 01:01:19PM +, Stephen Mollett wrote:
  Hi,
  
   --- Roger Hayter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Has anyone noticed that Frost messages in some
   popular boards seem 
   almost all to be retrievable both from the stable
   and the unstable 
   network? ... doesn't this suggest that some nodes
  must be
   connecting to both networks?
  
  I haven't noticed this (I've never had much luck with
  Frost) but are you using two totally separate nodes
  for browsing? If you're just switching one node
  between the networks then, after switching, the
  datastore will still have the messages cached after
  they were retrieved on the other network.
  
  On the same topic, would it be a good idea (or indeed
  feasible) to run two nodes, one on each network, with
  the same datastore encryption key, which are
  periodically stopped and synchronised in order to
  narrow the schism between the networks and aid the
  flow of content?
 
 It would even be possible to spider the network, or scan one's store,
 and then reinsert data onto a different network, without necessarily
 knowing the decrypted contents or the SSK keys. However unstablenet is a
 lot smaller than stablenet, so it wouldn't be very practical.

Well, it'd be possible with software support for raw inserts. Spidering
one network, downloading the raw data for each key, and then doing a raw
insert on the other network, would be quite feasible.
  
  Regards,
  Stephen
  
  
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