Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-15 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:58:38 -0400, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote: To move in DarkNet you actually have to go and talk to a person... something like Hi, do you mind introducing me to some of your friends? which may work only sometimes. It seems that we are pushing technology to the point that

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-15 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
But we have been wrong before in regards to technology. So can we say that the anonymity problem in P2P networks is solved? No, no we can't. As we've discussed, OpenNet is a tradeoff of anonymity for useability (no need to laboriously find/add

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-14 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
they can also in theory replace all of your peers, and thus know what keys you are downloading/uploading. Isn't the content also encrypted? What good are the keys for to lead back to the originating node? Given that this would take quite a bit of

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-14 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:00:14 -0400, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote: they can also in theory replace all of your peers, and thus know what keys you are downloading/uploading. Isn't the content also encrypted? What good are the keys for to lead back to the originating node? The main idea is that

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-14 Thread Volodya
-- you actually (hopefully) know and trust each of your peers, unlike opennet strangers. May be I have watched too many 007 movies, but what if one of your trusted peers is actually a double agent? That's a good question. Maybe someone more knowlegeable can help flesh out the details, but I

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-14 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
To move in DarkNet you actually have to go and talk to a person... something like Hi, do you mind introducing me to some of your friends? which may work only sometimes. It seems that we are pushing technology to the point that a breakdown to remain anonymous could be our human condition

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-13 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
Yes, effectively. (Opennet behaves a little differently -- your neighbouring peers are constantly being swapped and optimized to approach a small-world topology.) Does this mean that in Darknet mode the peers are not swapped? The main advantage, I believe, is security -- opennet nodes are

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-13 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:51:15 -0400, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote: Does this mean that in Darknet mode the peers are not swapped? Correct. They're fixed. They are your trusted friends. OK, I can see how the constant swapping may give a malicious member the opportunity to build a topology of the

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-11 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
Freenet will route through that node (any request that is not found in the local darknet, and vice versa, outside opennet searches will hopefully penetrate into that dark corner.) If by ignorance or unintentionally a member joins another darknet or

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-11 Thread test532
No, it would not become the opennet as your node is still connected to mostly nodes who share your interest and who also connect mostly to nodes that share your interest. Thus you are still having the routing advantages of small world routing. If you carry that operation to everyone doing what

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-11 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 06:58:00 -0400, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote: I am thinking more along the lines of membership interests. I want to be in the yoga darknet group but also in the tennis darknet group. But if I join both, I have now bridged these two groups into a new yoga-tennis group. If I

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-10 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 is now available. Please upgrade, especially if you run a seednode. Terrific, I will upgrade my multiple nodes to this new build. I have a question and I hope I am understanding the concept of seednodes. Does the concept of seednodes apply to Darknets? Specifically,

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-10 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:52:27 -0400, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote: Does the concept of seednodes apply to Darknets? No. Seednodes are open/public/known nodes that are used to initially connect to the opennet. Darknet refers to dark/private/probably-unknown friends of yours that you explicitly trust.

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-10 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
When you say multiple darknets -- do you mean disconnected from the rest of opennet / separate networks, with only content provided by those nodes? When I say multiple darknets I mean completely separate but under an off-band control. For example, I create a darknet for my tennis friends

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-10 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:35:50 -0400, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote: When I say multiple darknets I mean completely separate but under an off-band control. Not possible. Unless you can force your people not to enable opennet, or not to add other darknet peers who have access to the opennet (or access

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-10 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
When I say multiple darknets I mean completely separate but under an off-band control. Not possible. Unless you can force your people not to enable opennet, or not to add other darknet peers who have access to the opennet (or access to your other

Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

2010-09-10 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:04:11 -0400, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote: Am I [...] correct in understanding that once a member in a darknet joins opennet then the rest of the members become opennet members? Correct. Freenet will route through that node (any request that is not found in the local darknet,