Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
On Sunday, November 15, 2009, 2:17:12 AM, Luke771 wrote: Matthew Toseland wrote: On Monday 09 November 2009 19:41:27 Ichi wrote: First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. With any luck, Freenet will be fully anonymous and secure by then. Even now, this support list could be hosted anonymously and securely at reasonable cost. And BTW, why is Freenet incorporated in the USA, and not somewhere with lower legal and political risks? Such as ...? (That's a serious question as well as a rhetorical one) Some small island nation like Tonga or something? The Principality of Sealand? San Marino? Well, that's another thing we wouldn't want to discuss publicly (at least, if we were knowledgeable). And actually, I'm not, so that's not a problem. Anyway, Xerobank's website lists an address in Panama for Xero Networks AG. -- Best regards, Ichimailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Matthew Toseland wrote: On Monday 09 November 2009 19:41:27 Ichi wrote: First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. With any luck, Freenet will be fully anonymous and secure by then. Even now, this support list could be hosted anonymously and securely at reasonable cost. And BTW, why is Freenet incorporated in the USA, and not somewhere with lower legal and political risks? Such as ...? (That's a serious question as well as a rhetorical one) Some small island nation like Tonga or something? The Principality of Sealand? San Marino? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Ichi wrote: First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. Well, BitTorrent is heavily used for illegal filesharing, but the clients (uTorrent, Azureus, etc) and the technology itself are legal. When the copyright industry tries to shut BitTorrent filesharing down, they target websites that list illegal torrents. I doubt the industry will be able to criminalise the use of any piece of filesharing software as long as it has legitimate uses. In the case of Freenet, it doesn't seem practical to go after individual filesharers, so the entertainment industry will likely direct legal actions against the developers. Perhaps one day the current developers will have to abandon the project and new ones will have to take over - who will only be known by their Freenet identities? -- Please send private email to Jonas Islander jonas.islan...@fastmail.fm signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
On Thursday 12 November 2009 14:04:08 Jonas Islander wrote: Ichi wrote: First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. Well, BitTorrent is heavily used for illegal filesharing, but the clients (uTorrent, Azureus, etc) and the technology itself are legal. When the copyright industry tries to shut BitTorrent filesharing down, they target websites that list illegal torrents. I doubt the industry will be able to criminalise the use of any piece of filesharing software as long as it has legitimate uses. They will try, and it is likely they will succeed in some places. But most are resisting this and at least so far buying into the idea that you can cheaply detect and (executively) punish pirates. In the case of Freenet, it doesn't seem practical to go after individual filesharers, so the entertainment industry will likely direct legal actions against the developers. Perhaps one day the current developers will have to abandon the project and new ones will have to take over - who will only be known by their Freenet identities? Perhaps so, but we have some way to go before Freenet is that reliable, or before it can function in the face of a government or ISP willing to spend a little money to get rid of it... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
On Tuesday 10 November 2009 06:42:02 mih...@riseup.net wrote: I'd also ask why it is physically based in the UK Freenet is not based in the UK. I am based in the UK. which is undoubtedly the western country most repressive of internet use. Definitely not true. A number of european countries block stuff - often judicially - for gambling or other silly reasons, whereas in the UK the *only* blocking so far is Cleanfeed, and discussions on blocking terrorist advocacy/resourcing have apparently petered out, probably when they realised it was more useful to monitor it than block it ... Only yesterday the 'interception modernatization programme' which would attempt to record all emails was dropped for 'tecnhical' reasons: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/09/home-office-plan-data-storage Fascinating, I thought it was a done deal. Of course it is technically challenging - they are not asking to store data (traffic data is actually a lot more useful most of the time), but parsing facebook traffic en masse to identify private contacts will be fairly expensive, given you have to constantly update it as facebook evolves ... It also applies to Skype, good luck there; for all we know it'll apply to Freenet too, could be fun! :) I am very happy that they ditched the central database - it would have had a system of black boxes, which of course would be remotely reprogrammable to gather just about anything with no real supervision... A side-issue is how to intercept the content of Skype calls (when you have a warrant, note that warrants are self-signed since RIPA) - this is technically rather challenging even with collusion from Skype if the user is smart. M! First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. With any luck, Freenet will be fully anonymous and secure by then. Even now, this support list could be hosted anonymously and securely at reasonable cost. And BTW, why is Freenet incorporated in the USA, and not somewhere with lower legal and political risks? VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: bimbek wrote: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. -- Best regards, Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but the list would still be legal. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free. ~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
VolodyA! V Anarhist a écrit : bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya Well, legal or not in one contry or everywhere, we'll adapt and survive... survival is the aptitude to adapt to changing conditions... that's why dinosaurs disappeared and why men didn't... ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
urza9...@gmail.com пишет: ...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but the list would still be legal. I'm sure if you create supp...@murder-list.org and provide specific information about how to murder somebody you would get into legal trouble even in the most pro-free-speech countries. Of course it would depend on what it means for Freenet to be 'illegal'. - Volodya On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
We'll talk in Freetalk/FMS then :) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:27 PM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: urza9...@gmail.com пишет: ...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but the list would still be legal. I'm sure if you create supp...@murder-list.org and provide specific information about how to murder somebody you would get into legal trouble even in the most pro-free-speech countries. Of course it would depend on what it means for Freenet to be 'illegal'. - Volodya On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Meh, it's no different from what television and movie producers do on a daily basis... On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:27 PM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: urza9...@gmail.com пишет: ...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but the list would still be legal. I'm sure if you create supp...@murder-list.org and provide specific information about how to murder somebody you would get into legal trouble even in the most pro-free-speech countries. Of course it would depend on what it means for Freenet to be 'illegal'. - Volodya On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free. ~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free. ~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. With any luck, Freenet will be fully anonymous and secure by then. Even now, this support list could be hosted anonymously and securely at reasonable cost. And BTW, why is Freenet incorporated in the USA, and not somewhere with lower legal and political risks? VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: bimbek wrote: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. -- Best regards, Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
I'd also ask why it is physically based in the UK which is undoubtedly the western country most repressive of internet use. Only yesterday the 'interception modernatization programme' which would attempt to record all emails was dropped for 'tecnhical' reasons: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/09/home-office-plan-data-storage M! First, I appreciate that Matthew had to ban Toni. Open discussion of Freenet documents is just plain stupid, for obvious reasons. Second, I'm sure that Freenet and this list are already illegal in many countries. If Freenet ever becomes popular, it will undoubtedly become illegal everywhere, more or less. With any luck, Freenet will be fully anonymous and secure by then. Even now, this support list could be hosted anonymously and securely at reasonable cost. And BTW, why is Freenet incorporated in the USA, and not somewhere with lower legal and political risks? VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: bimbek wrote: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail list will have to shut down, thus de-facto banning everybody from it. -- Best regards, Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Wow, that's a bit...extreme. I mean there's a _huge_ difference between refusing to give someone support, which may or may not be legal, and completely banning them. I mean just because _you_ can't help him doesn't mean nobody else on this list can. Way to alienate a rather significant percentage of the user base. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Sunday 18 October 2009 11:24:08 Toni Bergman wrote: ... I present you with my graph. I'm downloading music from freenet. Thanks for your detailed bug report. However, based on your graph, which contains clear evidence of copyright infringement (there *is* legal music on Freenet, but the Thaw instance shown includes stuff that is almost certainly not legal), you have just earned a permanent ban from the support list. Because of this I will not be able to act on any of the issues you mentioned, as this would be equivalent to providing tech support to known pirates. Please go away and don't come back. Sorry folks, but PIRACY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. This policy is the result of MGM vs Grokster, where the Supreme Court of the United States of America found the defendant guilty because amongst other reasons, it provided technical support to people it knew to be engaged in copyright infringement. The EFF's peer to peer advice is not to provide tech support at all, but IMHO this is more or less impossible for an open source project. See here: http://www.eff.org/wp/iaal-what-peer-peer-developers-need-know-about-copyright-law Freenet Project Inc is incorporated in the USA under Californian law. I have a responsibility not to get them into legal trouble, although I am based in England. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Welcome to the USA. You need to be very careful these days in regard to any discussion of file sharing. There are many legal pitfalls and many with deep pockets just looking for an opportunity to sue. Like it or not email lists are not a place to discuss illegal activities whether you agree with the law or not. urza9...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's a bit...extreme. I mean there's a _huge_ difference between refusing to give someone support, which may or may not be legal, and completely banning them. I mean just because _you_ can't help him doesn't mean nobody else on this list can. Way to alienate a rather significant percentage of the user base. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Sunday 18 October 2009 11:24:08 Toni Bergman wrote: ... I present you with my graph. I'm downloading music from freenet. Thanks for your detailed bug report. However, based on your graph, which contains clear evidence of copyright infringement (there *is* legal music on Freenet, but the Thaw instance shown includes stuff that is almost certainly not legal), you have just earned a permanent ban from the support list. Because of this I will not be able to act on any of the issues you mentioned, as this would be equivalent to providing tech support to known pirates. Please go away and don't come back. Sorry folks, but PIRACY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. This policy is the result of MGM vs Grokster, where the Supreme Court of the United States of America found the defendant guilty because amongst other reasons, it provided technical support to people it knew to be engaged in copyright infringement. The EFF's peer to peer advice is not to provide tech support at all, but IMHO this is more or less impossible for an open source project. See here: http://www.eff.org/wp/iaal-what-peer-peer-developers-need-know-about-copyright-law Freenet Project Inc is incorporated in the USA under Californian law. I have a responsibility not to get them into legal trouble, although I am based in England. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Hah, I don't really need a welcome, I've been here my whole life :) And he wasn't using the email list to discuss illegal activities, he was using the email list to get support for Freenet - exactly what it is here for. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Mike Cook mikec...@pipeline.com wrote: Welcome to the USA. You need to be very careful these days in regard to any discussion of file sharing. There are many legal pitfalls and many with deep pockets just looking for an opportunity to sue. Like it or not email lists are not a place to discuss illegal activities whether you agree with the law or not. urza9...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's a bit...extreme. I mean there's a _huge_ difference between refusing to give someone support, which may or may not be legal, and completely banning them. I mean just because _you_ can't help him doesn't mean nobody else on this list can. Way to alienate a rather significant percentage of the user base. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Sunday 18 October 2009 11:24:08 Toni Bergman wrote: ... I present you with my graph. I'm downloading music from freenet. Thanks for your detailed bug report. However, based on your graph, which contains clear evidence of copyright infringement (there *is* legal music on Freenet, but the Thaw instance shown includes stuff that is almost certainly not legal), you have just earned a permanent ban from the support list. Because of this I will not be able to act on any of the issues you mentioned, as this would be equivalent to providing tech support to known pirates. Please go away and don't come back. Sorry folks, but PIRACY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. This policy is the result of MGM vs Grokster, where the Supreme Court of the United States of America found the defendant guilty because amongst other reasons, it provided technical support to people it knew to be engaged in copyright infringement. The EFF's peer to peer advice is not to provide tech support at all, but IMHO this is more or less impossible for an open source project. See here: http://www.eff.org/wp/iaal-what-peer-peer-developers-need-know-about-copyright-law Freenet Project Inc is incorporated in the USA under Californian law. I have a responsibility not to get them into legal trouble, although I am based in England. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Sorry, I was just trying to point out that some consider any mention of sharing copyrighted material, however fleeting, as proof positive that the whole purpose of the development of a technology is to steal their intellectual property . Personally I think the whole notion of copyright has gotten a little out of hand recently. I just was suggesting people should try to edit themselves on a public email list and try to avoid possible legal issues. Maybe a total ban was a bit extreme, perhaps a warning would have sufficed, but I'm not really familiar with all of the legal implications. Have a good day urza9...@gmail.com wrote: Hah, I don't really need a welcome, I've been here my whole life :) And he wasn't using the email list to discuss illegal activities, he was using the email list to get support for Freenet - exactly what it is here for. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Mike Cook mikec...@pipeline.com wrote: Welcome to the USA. You need to be very careful these days in regard to any discussion of file sharing. There are many legal pitfalls and many with deep pockets just looking for an opportunity to sue. Like it or not email lists are not a place to discuss illegal activities whether you agree with the law or not. urza9...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's a bit...extreme. I mean there's a _huge_ difference between refusing to give someone support, which may or may not be legal, and completely banning them. I mean just because _you_ can't help him doesn't mean nobody else on this list can. Way to alienate a rather significant percentage of the user base. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
