Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch PLayer

2013-09-16 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
Found a price indication on the other USB to I2S module, a bit high 250 Euro second hand :-) This is a bit more reasonable. http://www.amanero.com/ 79 Euro + vat and postage + Batches 60+ € 39 If we don't look in to assembling modules, then if someone does all the work for free, then the

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-28 Thread Dave Malham
My two penny worth... On 15ips tape - yes, this is fairly limited in one way, that 20 k or less was often the cut-off frequency, that was the 3dB point, but the roll off was very slow, often only 6dB per Octave at first until near the first extinction point caused by the head gap so it doesn't

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-28 Thread Augustine Leudar
Apparently the reason that above 48 khz is frowned on by some is nothing to do with niquist/the range of human hearing etc but rather distortions in reproduction equipment when using very high sample rates that can introduce artifacts and actually make things sound worse. This article makes this

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-28 Thread David Pickett
At 02:03 28/5/2013, Dave Malham wrote: On 15ips tape - yes, this is fairly limited in one way, that 20 k or less was often the cut-off frequency, that was the 3dB point, but the roll off was very slow, often only 6dB per Octave at first until near the first extinction point caused by the head

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/23/2013 01:25 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: Hello all, I want to start making a standalone 8 channel player (maybe more) - something that can be used in museums, festivals etc for sound installations that can just be turned on and will instantly start looping a multichannel composition on

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Augustine Leudar
Hi Jörn, Thanks for making me aware of the unit - its a way better solution than buying a motu and a larger computer. do you think this will run all 8 channel on the rasberry pis version of linux ?I laid 20m long unbalanced RCA cables at the last installation wihout any problems so that should

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Dave Malham
I suspect it probably would run it if you don't use too high a sampling rate. Our old Unix based SGI O2's use to run 8 channels quite happily, even if the audio was sent over Ethernet using the server/client part of the TCL/Tk Snack audio toolkit. The processors in the Beagle boards are a bit

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Dave Malham
I should have pointed out that the output boards were connected via the O2's PCi bus and were only 16 bit/48k - but then the processor's clock was only 180 MHz (iirc) in the machines we had. Dave On 27 May 2013 12:30, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jörn, Thanks for

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-05-27, Dave Malham wrote: I should have pointed out that the output boards were connected via the O2's PCi bus and were only 16 bit/48k - but then the processor's clock was only 180 MHz (iirc) in the machines we had. If I'm not wrong, the O2 had a pretty decent I/O architecture apart

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Augustine Leudar
That would be fine - there seems to be considerable debate amongst engineers as to whether higher sampling rates than 48k are worth using anyway On 27 May 2013 16:00, Dave Malham dave.mal...@york.ac.uk wrote: I should have pointed out that the output boards were connected via the O2's PCi bus

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-05-27, Augustine Leudar wrote: That would be fine - there seems to be considerable debate amongst engineers as to whether higher sampling rates than 48k are worth using anyway In that debate, I'd take a look at the Acoustical Reneissance for Audio position paper, aimed at

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Len Moskowitz
Are you familiar with the JoeCo Blackbox Player? http://www.joeco.co.uk/main/BBP_models.html Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-sound.com) Core Sound LLC www.core-sound.com Home of TetraMic ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-05-27, David Pickett wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that the reference in this documents to 12 bits concerns an already packed signal, which needs to start off at a higher bit rate. That's right. What they talk about is the final distribution format, where you

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 27 May 2013, at 21:23, Sampo Syreeni de...@iki.fi wrote: 24/96 is already twice as much even as a non-shaped format, but perhaps has to be chosen evenso if we want to be sure it's transparent; as the next common format which includes both sufficient sampling rate and sufficiently low

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch PLayer

2013-05-24 Thread Dave Malham
For info, some approx prices ( inc uk vat); Beaglebone£36 AM3359 CPU £30 ADAU1966 DAC (16 channel 24 bit balanced out, 200kHz £13 (yes that's thirteen...) The evaluation board for the DAC is around £250 so not a viable option for production but a good way

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch PLayer

2013-05-24 Thread Ben Bloomberg
Sampo, the problem with ASIC is you have to spend millions to get a working chip. FPGA is much, much more flexible and basically the stepping stone to designing ASIC (i.e. a lot of the tools are the same, but if you screw up you can just reflash instead of having to order a new chip). So its worth

[Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Augustine Leudar
Hello all, I want to start making a standalone 8 channel player (maybe more) - something that can be used in museums, festivals etc for sound installations that can just be turned on and will instantly start looping a multichannel composition on an sd card. At the moment I am using rather

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Chapman
Hello all, I want to start making a standalone 8 channel player (maybe more) - something that can be used in museums, festivals etc for sound installations that can just be turned on and will instantly start looping a multichannel composition on an sd card. At the moment I am using rather

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Marc Lavallée
That's an interesting idea: clustering Raspberry Pis with cheap 8 channels usb modules and jackd2. -- Marc Michael Chapman s...@mchapman.com a écrit : Hello all, I want to start making a standalone 8 channel player (maybe more) - something that can be used in museums, festivals etc for

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Alexis Shaw
Do you need internal dacs. How many channels do you need implemented. I am working on a solution to the same problem at the moment. On Thursday, May 23, 2013, Marc Lavallée wrote: That's an interesting idea: clustering Raspberry Pis with cheap 8 channels usb modules and jackd2. -- Marc

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Augustine Leudar
Hi Michael , been there done that - I synced up multiple stereo players that automatically start playing on power on on many occasions - however I dont want to do that anymore partly because the SD card players that start playing on powerup are expensive and because I dont trust the timing

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Augustine Leudar
Hi Alexis, yes the box would need DA converters if thats what you mean. I am thinking 8 outputs to start with min 16 bit 44.1 but it would be nice to have something that could be easily customisable for more On 23 May 2013 14:08, Alexis Shaw alexis.s...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Alexis Shaw
I am working on a system that can drive 40 or so channels based on a zynq 7020 processor. The zedboard which is the dev kit i am working with costs 320 for academics and ~400 for commercial uses. This will then drive a series of dac boards that I am working on. They are likely to cost about 200

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Ben Bloomberg
I have some FPGA code to drive 4 and 8 channel Burr Brown DACs (PCM3168a, PCM1608) I could pass along. It's quite messy and I haven't worked on it in a while (4 years) but it also implements a 3rd order ambisonic encoder/decoder and streaming input via USB. The coefficients are all stored in a

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Alexis Shaw
I'm working on having this implement a 4th order ambisonic decoder. The cool thing here is that there is a dual core arm processor on board that can run linux, so I can have a 40 or more channel hardware interface and have it act as an output that takes a 4th order ambisonic signal from software.

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
Message- From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Ben Bloomberg Sent: den 23 maj 2013 15:28 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player I have some FPGA code to drive 4 and 8 channel Burr Brown DACs

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Ben Bloomberg
That sounds awesome and very useful. This system was intended to be very, very low cost with home-theater grade DACs. The whole thing including processing and DACs is intended to be under $200 for up to 32 channels to put this stuff in the hands of high school and academic theaters, who could buy

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Ben Bloomberg
discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player I have some FPGA code to drive 4 and 8 channel Burr Brown DACs (PCM3168a, PCM1608) I could pass along. It's quite messy and I haven't worked on it in a while (4 years) but it also implements a 3rd order ambisonic encoder

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-23 Thread Augustine Leudar
Thanks Ben and Alexis ! Great info - Ben I would definitely be interested in that code - Alexis your project sounds amazing (; best, Gus ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch PLayer

2013-05-23 Thread Simon Edmonds
then a breakout box to take the 8 channels of audio to analogue? Simon Edmonds Logic Workshop Limited | Strategic, Technical Creative Marketing Services Ty Llwyd House | Nantyderry | Abergavenny | Monmouthshire | NP7 9DG | UK

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch PLayer

2013-05-23 Thread Simon Edmonds
Ooops - I'll try that again Raspberry Pi has HDMI HDMI supports 8 channels of HD digital audio then a breakout box to take the 8 channels of audio to analogue? Simon Edmonds Logic Workshop Limited | Strategic, Technical Creative Marketing Services

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch PLayer

2013-05-23 Thread dw
On 23/05/2013 17:17, Simon Edmonds wrote: Ooops - I'll try that again Raspberry Pi has HDMI HDMI supports 8 channels of HD digital audio I wasted a lot of time trying. I think the RPi only supports two channels on HDMI, or did six months ago. Jackd also seemed to be broken, although some

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch PLayer

2013-05-23 Thread Dave Malham
I looked into this a year ago and the RPi unfortunately is crippled for this because the processor used only supports two channels of audio - HDMI iirc actually only allows for multichannel though it mandates stereo. The BeagleBoard (or rather the BeagleBone) is a better choice though slightly

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch PLayer

2013-05-23 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-05-23, Dave Malham wrote: I looked into this a year ago and the RPi unfortunately is crippled for this because the processor used only supports two channels of audio - HDMI iirc actually only allows for multichannel though it mandates stereo. BTW, this discussion brings to my mind