Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-04-20, Eric Carmichel wrote: But here's what I don't understand about the quaud (quaud.io) mic: They say the four omnidirectional mics lie on the corners of a tetrahedron--essentially same arrangement as Soundfield, but with omni mics and positioned on corners of tetrahedron. For a n

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 02:38:42PM -0700, Eric Carmichel wrote: > So I'm not always clear as to whether it's the mics' virtual > orientation in space, or the physical boundary of a spherical > surface, that *shapes* the sound and creates the requisite time > and pressure differentials. Omni mics

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 03:49:22PM -0500, David Pickett wrote: > Granted this is better than the mics that Blumlein could command, > but when it comes to the processing of the raw outputs, is not the > problem of lower level signals produced by subtraction still a real > one? It certainly is. The

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 01:08:57PM -0700, Eric Carmichel wrote: > A highly-directional mic can be created using omnis and beam > forming, but not a *series* of directions at a given instant. ??? What would stop anyone from using whatever beamforming algorithm twice (or more times) in parallel, u

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Eric Carmichel
I truly appreciate your informative and highly detailed response. For helping understand spherical harmonics (or Legendre polynomials?), and for mics lying on surface of a sphere, this helps a lot. But here's what I don't understand about the quaud (quaud.io) mic: They say the four omnidirecti

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-04-20, David Pickett wrote: But... How close to the theoretical A format polar diagramy are the XYZ components of the Soundfield (or Tetramic) microphone at frequencies above those at which they are essentially coincident? Rather far from them, because the ideal A format response is a

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread David Pickett
At 15:27 20-04-13, Sampo Syreeni wrote: If one regards the subcardioid as made up of omni and figure of eight components, is it not the case that the ambisonic XYZ signals of the Soundfield Mic are derived solely from the figure of eight components? Not quite, because at high frequencies the

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-04-20, David Pickett wrote: If one regards the subcardioid as made up of omni and figure of eight components, is it not the case that the ambisonic XYZ signals of the Soundfield Mic are derived solely from the figure of eight components? Not quite, because at high frequencies the mics

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2013-04-20, Eric Carmichel wrote: Does beam forming or delay techniques to create additional first-order patterns from the omnidirectional mics change up the design (and math) from arrays using intrinsically cardiod mic elements? Not per se, as we can see from designs like the Eigenmike. H

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Eric Carmichel
SNR wouldn't have been my initial concern because I have some wee-tiny electrets that have (purportedly) +10 dBA noise--pretty low for a small capsule. When I think of the "classic" multi-polar mics such as the AKG-414, the multiple patterns are often derivatives of back-to-back diaphragms sha

Re: [Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread David Pickett
At 11:24 20-04-13, Eric Carmichel wrote: >Just received an email which - seems someone else is reinventing the >Soundfield again - see http://www.quaud.io/ >This time it's based on mems microphones and is very small so it ends >up using blind source separation in order to get good >source-interfer

[Sursound] Re-re-inventing the wheel

2013-04-20 Thread Eric Carmichel
Just received an email which - seems someone else is reinventing the Soundfield again - see http://www.quaud.io/ This time it's based on mems microphones and is very small so it ends up using blind source separation in order to get good source-interference ratios. There's only one reference to G