Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

Augustine Leudar wrote: You can't just make up a new type of amplitude panning like that Stefan. There is a process involved - there has to be naming ceremony and at least two research papers with fancy looking graphs in them. Tsk tsk. Ok, fully agreed! < Irony on > I < could > have

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

You can't just make up a new type of amplitude panning like that Stefan. There is a process involved - there has to be naming ceremony and at least two research papers with fancy looking graphs in them. Tsk tsk. On 10 January 2017 at 23:19, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Fons

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 09:23:47PM +, Stefan Schreiber wrote: If you use amplitude panning between more than 2 (2D) or 3 (3D/VBAP) speakers, you could run into some trouble. Including X-talk between more than 2 speakers in the horizont. plain... (same phantom

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

http://decoy.iki.fi/dsound/ambisonic/motherlode/source/ICMC08_AEP_paper.pdf On 10 January 2017 at 22:51, Augustine Leudar wrote: > ICST max objects have this thing called "ambisonics equivalent panning" > I'm not quite sure what it is - but it seems to work just fine.

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

ICST max objects have this thing called "ambisonics equivalent panning" I'm not quite sure what it is - but it seems to work just fine. The really nice thing in the patch (it works in max) is you can adjust the directivity to play on as many or as little speakers you want around a certain point -

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 09:23:47PM +, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > If you use amplitude panning between more than 2 (2D) or 3 (3D/VBAP) > speakers, you could run into some trouble. Including pX-talk between > more than 2 speakers in the horizont. plain... (same phantom source9 > > This might

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

Augustine Leudar wrote: so yes - there is a slight difference - Vbap has to based on triangles - other forms of amplitude panning don't If you use amplitude panning between more than 2 (2D) or 3 (3D/VBAP) speakers, you could run into some trouble. Including pX-talk between more than 2

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

so yes - there is a slight difference - Vbap has to based on triangles - other forms of amplitude panning don't On 10 January 2017 at 09:57, Augustine Leudar wrote: > should have said "VBAP allows you to pan between the nearest three" > > On 10 January 2017 at 09:56,

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

should have said "VBAP allows you to pan between the nearest three" On 10 January 2017 at 09:56, Augustine Leudar wrote: > but not to be crude but ;) some people get really anal about these things > - so in pre defense of such anality - stereo amplitude panning

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

but not to be crude but ;) some people get really anal about these things - so in pre defense of such anality - stereo amplitude panning allows you to pan between two speakers - theoretically you could have a kind of amplitude panning that allows you to pan between the nearest two speakers on the

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

Yes Im well aware of that thanks. On 10 January 2017 at 02:35, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > On 2017-01-09, Augustine Leudar wrote: > > and of course I mean amplitude panning rather than vbap in that instance - >> but I have had reasonable results doing the same for full 3D installations

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

On 2017-01-09, Augustine Leudar wrote: and of course I mean amplitude panning rather than vbap in that instance - but I have had reasonable results doing the same for full 3D installations as well, at least as resoble as can be expected representing a 3D audio scene in stereo (which is never

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

On 2017-01-09, Politis Archontis wrote: I am a bit baffled by the idea that VBAP is not compatible with Ambisonics theory (?) I actually didn't mean to say quite as much. :) Thinking in terms of velocity and energy vectors, as far as I understand, VBAP with the (classic) amplitude panning

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

and of course I mean amplitude panning rather than vbap in that instance - but I have had reasonable results doing the same for full 3D installations as well, at least as resoble as can be expected representing a 3D audio scene in stereo (which is never very good in any format) On 9 January 2017

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

Archontis - I mean when I make a multichannel sound installation and use Vbap to pan it - lets say an eight channel octophonic horizonatal array - when I export an 8 channel interleaved rendering of this installation later and play it back on say, Iplayer, it automatically renders it to stereo and

[Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

Hi Sampo, > On 09 Jan 2017, at 06:27, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > The critique I'd have for such panning laws is that they don't really respect > the ambisonic/Gerzon theory, especially at the low frequencies. In essence, > they work, and necessarily would *have* to work in the