Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-03-01 Thread Thibaut Carpentier
Le 29 févr. 2012 à 23:51, Miguel Negrao a écrit : Accuracy is required if the production and reproduction environments are independent. If they are not there's a lot of headroom. Yes, my intended use is for real-time encode and decode on the spot. All the spatial information is stored

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 01:15:40PM +, Miguel Negrao wrote: I’ve been a bit disconnected from the ambisonics world. From my past reading on this list it is my understanding that there isn’t an explicit formula for decoding coefficients for non-symmetrical setups. Are there currently

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Dave Malham
There's a third method - Bruce Wiggins' Heuristic algorithm based methodology (http://www2.derby.ac.uk/sparg-content/pdfs/bw_aes31_paper.pdf). This is, I believe, available in his Wigware decoder plugins.There is also some work from China on genetic algorithm based design, but I don't know what

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Dave Malham
Ah - I withdraw that about the Wigware decoders as the versions on Bruce's website are probably not sufficiently flexible for your purposes, though the actual heuristic methodology probably is. Dave On 29/02/2012 14:47, Dave Malham wrote: There's a third method - Bruce Wiggins' Heuristic

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Miguel Negrao
, February 29, 2012 6:28:55 AM Subject: Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 01:15:40PM +, Miguel Negrao wrote: I’ve been a bit disconnected from the ambisonics world. From my past reading on this list it is my understanding

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Peter Lennox
: Wed, February 29, 2012 6:28:55 AM Subject: Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 01:15:40PM +, Miguel Negrao wrote: I’ve been a bit disconnected from the ambisonics world. From my past reading on this list it is my understanding

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 08:55:05PM +, Miguel Negrao wrote: Would an automated “blind search algorithm possibly give worse results then just using the equations for the symmetrical case ? I know many people using ambisonics for eletroacoustic music and I think all of them use the

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Eric Benjamin
to the problem. Eric - Original Message From: Sampo Syreeni de...@iki.fi To: Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu Sent: Wed, February 29, 2012 2:19:46 PM Subject: Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups On 2012-02-29, Gregory Maxwell wrote: Would

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Richard Furse
to be exported. It's well worth a listen though, honest! --Richard -Original Message- From: Richard Furse [mailto:rich...@muse440.com] Sent: 29 February 2012 22:25 To: 'Surround Sound discussion group' Subject: RE: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups Hi

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Miguel Negrao
A 29/02/2012, às 21:24, Fons Adriaensen escreveu: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 08:55:05PM +, Miguel Negrao wrote: Would an automated “blind search algorithm possibly give worse results then just using the equations for the symmetrical case ? I know many people using ambisonics for

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Sampo Syreeni de...@iki.fi wrote: Personally what I find a bit worrisome is that this sort of optimization retains the blackbox leanings of machine learning as a general discipline. None of the ambisonic specific, closed form optimization literature, or the

Re: [Sursound] Decoding coefficients for non symmetrical setups

2012-02-29 Thread Aaron Heller
The code that goes with the LAC2012 conference paper does 3D and higher orders. In fact we used it to make a new 3rd-order Ambdec config for CCRMA's 22 speaker array. Its written in MATLAB/Gnu Octave, and it's not a lot of code. So plenty of opportunity for tinkering with the goal functions.