In the early 1980s a company called Parallel Products Inc of Dixon,
California, was running a mobile alcohol fuel plant, on a truck with
a trailer. No idea what became of them.
..
Keith,
Parallel Products runs several alcohol plants. The one in Louisville, KY
uses waste from the
Composting toilets resolve water issues and enhance soils.
As for paper, better recycled cardboard boxes or renewable annuals.
In a perfect world nothing but lumber should be coming directly from trees.
Todd
Appal Energy
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Dear Keith, Todd, et. al.,
Before I went to India for a look, I would have agreed with you. However,
the roads are so bad that it took me five hours to travel a distance of
110
k (68 miles) on one of the official Indian highways in a Jeep going as
fast
as it could go, or as fast as the
Hi David,
I do not currently have any drawings and my free
time is quite limited for the moment, but I will try
to get some basic schematic drawn up ASAP. Please be
patient. There was a research company out of Menlo
Park California burning up grant money on fluid bed
reactor research about 15-20
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I guess you just have to have made your own mash, discovered some of
that wild Belgian Abbey yeast that yields banana esters or created
your own Cinnamon Pumpkin Ale a time or two to understand.
Todd
Appal Energy
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I guess you just have to have made your own mash, discovered some of
that wild Belgian Abbey yeast that yields banana esters or created
your own Cinnamon Pumpkin Ale a time or two to understand.
Todd
Appal Energy
It turns out that I have located a source for good quantities of used
hydrogenated vegetable oil.
Before I enter into any negotiations I wonder whether this type of oil
will
prove difficult to convert into biodiesal.
Any thoughts on this?
..
Mike,
Go for it!!!
Composting toilets resolve water issues and enhance soils.
That's exactly right, that's what we have to do. I prefer restore
to enhance though - the stuff goes back to where it came from,
according to the natural cycle. Flush toilets break that cycle, like
many other things we do. That broken
Composting toilets resolve water issues and enhance soils.
That's exactly right. That's what we have to do. I prefer the
restore to enhance though - the stuff goes back to where it came
from, according to the natural cycle. Flush toilets break that cycle,
like many other things we do. That
Hello Barry
Do you know of BAA?
The Biodiesel Association of Australia has been established to
promote and build a viable and ecologically sustainable biodiesel
industry in Australia. Will offer supplies of biodiesel for
registered members. FAQ, what-is, news press, standards, documents,
Hi Joseph
Very nice, clear explanation, thankyou!
Best wishes
Keith Addison
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John,
Methane (CH4) is not gaseous methanol. Methanol is oxygenated methane re: a
hydroxyl group (OH) replaces one of the hydrogen atoms in
Hi Derek
Keith,
Not to belittle your concern about water, its importance, and the likelihood
of wars being fought over it, but I still tend to feel that energy in one
form or another is of utmost importance.
Well, yes, but water is already a crisis, and energy isn't, really -
only the rather
Todd,
Thats the whole thing. Nobody wants to remove it. In this country, used
cooking oil is maybe reprocessed and sold to the lower income groups. ( I
know, there should be a law ) Anyway, these guys won't accept used
hydrogenated oil -- too foreign to them.
I feel like I'm in the butter!!
Er, sorry! Odd double post - how the hell did I do that? :-(
Keith Addison
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Yeh Hi Todd. It has been dragged up from a few weeks old thread.
I'm installing another smaller tank in an annexed room close to the boiler.
This i'll keep topped with biod.
Its reasonably warm. Whilst on this subject whats the minimum temp that
problems arise?
Ian
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Keith, Todd, et al,
While mobile plants may not be applicable to the
States and even there I am doubtful I certainly believe and am convinced in
many places in Asia (certainly India for one) that a mobile plant would be a
very good idea principally for the following
Hello all
Just joined the group a day or so ago.
Am semi retired former aerospacer. Have been interested in alternative
energy for over 25 years.
Ham, KC7THL, and read a bit. Live in North America, central Montana to be
more precise.
The post below regarding potable water is worse than you
Hi Dana,
Thankyou, that would be most appreciated. I know very little
about fluid bed setups and it is something I always meant and mean to
research but never quite get round to. I know they are used in things like
foundries and some of the best coffee roasters in the world use
Hi Steve,
Sounds interesting. Do you mean lpg (liquid petroleum gas) or
low pressure?
B.r., David
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central
Todd,
This is where the by-pass filters I handle would come in very
useful.
B.r., David
If the question is as stated in the subject line, the answer is absolutely
yes.
Some precautions must be taken to deal with cold weather mechanics such as
clouding and gelling. Other than that,
There are a few guys out here in KS starting to experiment with our first
batches of biodiesel. We're looking for some additional information on
using ethanol rather than methanol for the transesterification (one guy owns
a nice still)--does this complicate the process? Is there some good
This is off-topic so I'll apologize in advance and take all further
discussion off-list, but water filtration is not strictly a mechanical
process. Plants are very good at filtering for toxins and could be your post
solar still filter. Ionizing the water pre-still or uv filtration could help
Andrew,
You have to be careful here. Variety is the spice of life they
say. I am always thankful I was brought up to try things, otherwise there
are alot of pleasures and enjoyment I would have missed. Next thing you will
be telling us the French with their Provencial style cooking
Hi Dana et al,
After looking at the Fluid Bed principal (see
www.sulzerfluidbed.com/fbprincipal.htm I tend to agree this may be a very
efficient way of creating steam especially for use with Glycerine
distillation purufication. Used waste heat could also possibly be used for
Is there a group of people who deal strictly with ethanol who have an online
discussion such as yours. This really a good way to air or receive great
ideas. I enjoy reading the notes.
Thanks,
Ron miller
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Hi Ed andAll,
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How about a Little Deutz Coupe, instead, and leave
the electric stuff at
home?
The only problem with that is the little Deutz
Coupe only gets about 10% of the fuel's energy to the
road and is rather slow while the EV is as
To Keith and Joseph,
Thank you for the quick response re CH4 and methanol.
I am impressed with the ideas and knowledge that come
from this forum.
Good stuff.
Thanks,
ja.
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There are a few guys out here in KS starting to experiment with our first
batches of biodiesel. We're looking for some additional information on
using ethanol rather than methanol for the transesterification (one guy owns
a nice still)--does this complicate the process? Is there some good
Hi David
I think Todd and I were talking mostly about Biodiesel Industries'
Modular Production Unit (MPU), which is an expensive corporate
gadget, and most of your points wouldn't apply (except #7). (See
Container units - was Re: [biofuel] Yield of Jerusalem artichoke).
I did post some info
Hello Kirk
Hello all
Just joined the group a day or so ago.
Am semi retired former aerospacer. Have been interested in alternative
energy for over 25 years.
Ham, KC7THL, and read a bit. Live in North America, central Montana to be
more precise.
The post below regarding potable water is worse
Thank you very much Keith.
Kirk
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:39 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Water vs Energy Importance
Hello Kirk
Hello all
Just joined the group a day or so ago.
Am semi
Thank you very much Keith.
Kirk
You're most welcome, Kirk. :-)
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Hi Hans, I'm From the US and would like info on who has the best still
design. I plan on building my own using stainless steel. I also want to know
who has the best performing distillers yeast. I am planning on making fuel
for my automobile and lawn equipment. So far I have downloaded The Home
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From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tallow
Is there a group of
Hi Hans, I'm From the US and would like info on who has the best still
design. I plan on building my own using stainless steel. I also want to know
who has the best performing distillers yeast. I am planning on making fuel
for my automobile and lawn equipment. So far I have downloaded The Home
David,
The fluid beds I referred to are reactors/combustors
and although the site you refer to is about fluid beds
and gives a good description of fluid beds in general
they bear very little resemblence to the fluid bed
reactors I have been referring to where an oxidation
reaction takes place.
I'm not terribly disappointed with the concept of Container Plants, save but
one caveat. Almost all biofuel feedstocks are derivatives of a farmer's
labors, whether it be the tallow from cattle, oil from seed or the waste
oils from a fish and chips plant.
Yet this profession usually has the
Dana,
No hurry. Thanks for the explanation. Could find nothing under my
search for fluid bed reactor. Look forward to hearing from you in due
course.
B.r., David
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From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001
Thanks Keith for the info. I will checkout the BAA ASAP. As I said to
Hanns, biodiesel is not big news here in the press. It was said on the
report concerning the Newcastle Council's entry into biodiesel that if
people were thinking of mass biodiesel production then the federal
government
Hi Barry
Thanks Keith for the info. I will checkout the BAA ASAP.
Nice folks, doing good work.
As I said to
Hanns, biodiesel is not big news here in the press.
Yet there's great interest in it there. At least 80 members of this
group are from Oz. Australia runs second in visits to our
FYI, visitors to the Biofuels pages at Journey to Forever come from
these countries, in descending order according to number of visits -
93 countries. Steve Spence can probably tell a similar story about
Webconx. The biofuels movement is definitely global, and growing fast.
Keith Addison
Hans
I have emailed BDI and they have replied that they can not take any
new enquires until they have reduced their backlog
Regards
Frank
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From: Hanns B. Wetzel
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:42 PM
Subject: RE:
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hey guys, ethanol is totally welcome here. we tend to get really
intense on
biodiesel at times, but if you are doing ethanol work (and many of
you are)
please, speak up.
Steve Spence
Yeah, and even some us die-hard
Todd - is this the technology or the application? If owned cooperatively by
the farmers, the problem you describe would not occur, correct?
Ed B.
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In our case the concept of a mobile/container plant
for BD is due the fact that it is a farmer
cooperative effort and the plan is to be able to move
the plant so that members with available time can
easily run it without having to drive to it each day.
We also hope that by having it mobile we can
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