Forward:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:03:36 EST
Subject: Addendum to EPA hassle
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Addison
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dana Linscott)
An alternate goal should be to involve one or more Congressmen or
Senators directly. This
Forward:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:19:19 EST
Subject: Re the EPA hassle
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Addison)
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dana Linscott)
Hi Keith and Dana
You are both aware of the hassle going on where this small company
producing biodiesel is being
On 13/2/02 11:47 PM, Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have a type that seems to be up to the task more than some of the common
fuel pumps we'd tried previously.
Where are you located?
Over in the UK. Looking for something that won't break the bank. Worked in
an industry
$75 US, and we'll mail it you for that. Does that break the bank? We've had
a few of them in use for 6 months or so on WVO - so far so good. Let me know
if you want one.
Edward Beggs
www.biofuels.ca
From: Phil Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 14
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/14523/story.htm
Planet Ark :
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WASHINGTON - A new U.S. government study concluded there would be no
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Phil,
Try www.thomasautos.co.uk
Neil Eldridge is service director and very knowledgeable. Thomas Auto
Injection are agents for the Stanadyne range of US-made goodies, which I
think would include what you are looking for.
David T.
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Dana wrote:
I suspect that we are not privy to the whole story.
Looking at it from the EPA's point of view they cannot simply accept
that the biodiesel product of this company is in fact conforming to
the standards of the National Biodiesel Board without some
independent verification that it
janandjoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Keith Addison wrote:
For base methods, I think copper hot-water tanks are quite popular.
- Please can you expand on this?
I live in Wales, UK and new ideas take a while to filter thru(all due
respects to John Nicholson in N. Wales with whom I have
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Keith Addison wrote:
Naah, I just forwarded.
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http://defence-data.com/dsei/pageds1055.htm
Automotive Technik, UK
http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/
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In a market test
What's a market test?
between the
Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wropte:
Is there any data available about the oil content of different oil seeds?
Any Government body or non-profit organization maintaining this data?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
Vegetable oil yields, characteristics: Journey to
Motie,
Try using a water well pressure tank instead of a 55
gal drum. Units that have ruptured the internal
membrane are free and plentiful and often have a port
on the bottom which can be unbolted and the membrane
removed. I have found units as large as 100 gallons at
my local well driller who
Edward,
The Mazda is an indirect Injection Diesel.
Air in the fuel system gets purged rapidly by the 2 solenoid system. I know
that a 2 stroke engine revs up as it runs out of fuel, but a diesel dies with
the slightest amount of air in the injector plumbing, because air is
compressible and
How is it driven -(eg. a lot of highway, high-rev driving, or a lot of city
use and idling?)
RE: air - It is not true that a diesel will die with the slightest amount
of air.
I've had them rev higher when air is visible in the fuel lines, as a stream
of fine bubbles, not large bubbles that
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*Dana and
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Keith wrote:
I suspect that we are not privy to the whole story.
Looking at it from the EPA's point of view they
cannot simply accept
that the biodiesel product of this company is in
fact conforming to
the standards of the National Biodiesel Board
without some
--- jai uppal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Andy Hi!!,
Thanks for writing.
I need as much information as possible for
dehydrating
ethanol using Molecular sieve for the Indian gasohol
program.Including design, operation, maintenance,
past
exdperience etc. Or You could also give me
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- snipped...
Dana,
I can't disagree more.
The EPA is not protecting our health in this case.
If a diesel fuel producer who sells fuel that represents
a health hazard, then EVERY petro-diesel station should be closed.
After
Hi Keith,
I have sent the message again to the group and to Andy
i hope everyone receives it.Please confirm.
Thanks for informing me promptly.
Keep up the excellent work!!
Jai
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jai uppal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Note: forwarded message attached.
yes, we all received the message.
Thanks.
- Original Message -
From: jai uppal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: infornation on ethanol dehydration using
molecular sieve urgently required for India
Hi
Motie: The EPA has done some good. Now like to many government initiatives
it has gone astray and an unnecessary burden on America. Consider the
following quotes from a CATO Institute study:
...The EPA's cancer assessment is not concerned with such concrete events.
Rather, it is concerned
- Original Message -
From: Dana Linscott
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 09:19
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative
*I have problem with that analogy as well. A turnip is
at least recognizable as a turnip...and usually
organics can be recognized because they
You are under the impression that innocent until
proven guilty applies anywhere other than a court of
law. It does not.
If the producer insists on producing and selling
biodiesel wihtout complying to the regulations
regarding fuel production despite the wEPA warning I
suspect he will be charged
I have a friend that I coerced into buying a diesel (sort of), he got an old
diesel scout turbo, which promptly blew a head gsket. He wants to sell it.
If anyone is interested, email me personally. I am in the San francisco bay
area. (if you have to ask, you're probably too far away)
anton
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Dana,
Would you please site for me the statute and implementing regulation that
give the US corporation, through its enforcement arm, the EPA, the authority
to site a resident of one of the 50 states for failing to comply with the
regulations. I get the idea from your comment that, you believe,
--- jim6669jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even the sloppiest home-brew is better than the best
petro-diesel.
Jim,
I doubt that this is true. Sloppily made BD can not
only ruin an engine but spew much more crap into the
air than commercial petrodiesel. More importantly
sloppily made commercial
.i have 2 questions. how long can WVO sit in a tank
outside before it becomes rancid and unuseable.
how long can bio-fuel sit before going bad
thanks
louis
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--- Steven-Lee Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dana,
Would you please site for me the statute and
implementing regulation that
give the US corporation, through its enforcement
arm, the EPA, the authority
to site a resident of one of the 50 states for
failing to comply with the
Dana writes:
If you cannot afford to outspend them in court you are
definitely subject to their rules.
I have often wished it were not so...but it is.
This does not mean that individuals have no
power...just that they must play by the those rules or
suffer the consequences if caught playing
I went to http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
for oil yield.
One example in it is: Corn.
Corn gives 129 Labs of oil yield per acre and
18 US gal of biodiesel yield per acre.
How do we justify this, 18 gallons per acre of corn?
Second example:
Oil Palm;
Oil Palm gives 4465 Labs of oil
WVO - Winter - months, summer - weeks. Depends on type of oil and how old it
was when you got it, too. Try to get as fresh as possible, let it settle a
few weeks, fitler and use it up.
Biodiesel - ~ 6 months.
Edward Beggs
www.biofuels.ca
From: Louie Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
Hi Alan
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Subject: Environmental group releases list of 'green cars'
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/02/11/Consumers/greencars_020211
[snip]
Other vehicles given top scores are:
* Toyota Prius hybrid (automatic)
* Honda Civic HX (1.7 litre,
--- jim6669jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even the sloppiest home-brew is better than the best
petro-diesel.
Jim,
I doubt that this is true. Sloppily made BD can not
only ruin an engine but spew much more crap into the
air than commercial petrodiesel.
Reference? You keep talking about the
Yes, Dana, I agree that this has now become a useless exercise, so I
won't continue. I don't agree about anything else though.
Keith
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That said. I would propose that any further argument
along these lines is a useless and diverting exercise
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Dana Linscott
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Hello Jai
Yes, it arrived, thanks. The list is set to reject attachments and
html coded messages to prevent viruses, sorry for the bother.
Regards
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Osaka, Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Hi Keith,
I have sent the message again to the
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/14523/story.htm
Planet Ark :
Rapeseed trade seen benefiting from China GM rules
FRANCE: February 14, 2002
PARIS - China's proposed restrictions on genetically modified (GM)
food imports will probably benefit worldwide sales of non-GM rapeseed
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/14530/story.htm
Planet Ark :
US govt report sees no barriers to more ethanol use
USA: February 14, 2002
WASHINGTON - A new U.S. government study concluded there would be no
major infrastructure barriers for doubling ethanol output to 5.1
Dana,
I basically agree with your general consensus and I only asked my original
question because of your statement about being charged with failing to
comply with the regulations. It indicated to me that one may not know the
lawful facts about the US, as most state citizens don't. I can see
In a message dated 02/14/2002 1:57:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If there's enough (any?) interest shown, I'll try to assemble a list
of resources and references we can use to put our case, and a list of
contacts. I'll have to do it between times, but it shouldn't
Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I went to http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
for oil yield.
One example in it is: Corn.
Corn gives 129 Labs of oil yield per acre and
18 US gal of biodiesel yield per acre.
How do we justify this, 18 gallons per acre of corn?
Second
I will send you some.
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motie, yeast likes to be at about 77F, at 95 F it
dies. much luck with you project. i will continue to
watch your work. if i can be of any more help,post
or email me at ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). i would suggest
you visit
www.homedistillers.org the site run but tony ackland.
he truly does an
Can somebody a clue where I can find the information
about making the biodiesel out of palm oil?
Bambang Mertani
Sumatra Island, Indonesia
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I understand that the gallon figures are the oils. But, as it is said at the
top of the table, biodiesel yield is = 0.8 x oil yield. So, 18 gallons of
corn oil gives (0.8 x 18) gallons of biodiesel (approximately). Am I right?
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Corn gives 129 pounds/18 gallons of oil per acre - corn oil,
Keith
Corn in Iowa will do from 100 up to 150 bu per acre, depending on the
year. Here where I live dry land corn is good for 50 to 100 bu per
acre, irrigated from 170 to 250 bu per acre. Every area has it's own
capacity.
We at The Revenoor Co. have custom built stainless steel stills in the past
and the beverage people just were not happy with the end result. So we bought
them back and made copper ones instead.
Terry Wilhelm
steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: copper is a time-honored material
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Dana
I agree completely, the law is the law and we must all obey the law or
havoc will commence. We may not agree with them, we might think it is
just awful but it is the only legal thing to do. I don't like the EPA
either but I still comply with whatever they say is the law. I cannot
Can somebody a clue where I can find the information
about making the biodiesel out of palm oil?
Bambang Mertani
Sumatra Island, Indonesia
Have you tried the usual methods? See:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Biofuels: Journey to Forever
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will send you some.
Thankyou!
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Osaka, Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
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Hello George
They're all average figures, much on the conservative side. I don't
know average per bushel yields. You should be able to get much higher
yields than these, especially on a small area with a bit of care.
Best
Keith
Corn gives 129 pounds/18 gallons of oil per acre - corn oil,
I understand that the gallon figures are the oils. But, as it is said at the
top of the table, biodiesel yield is = 0.8 x oil yield. So, 18 gallons of
corn oil gives (0.8 x 18) gallons of biodiesel (approximately). Am I right?
Yes. 0.8 is a conservative figure (they're all conservative, you can
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