We have formed a very exclusive club... Between us we control ninety
percent of crude exports to world markets, and we are now united. We are
making history.
-- Perez Alfonso, 1960
The Seven Sisters
The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made
Anthony Sampson
Hodder and Stoughton, 1975,
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 09:25:51PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
check out http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/fuelcell.htm
Has anyone here any experience with investigating biofuel use in fuel cells?
All I know is that MDTL is very clearly interested in using ethanol in micro
fuel cells. But
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obviously, this was a really intriguing exposition. I will look
forward to your
sharing of further developments, if possible. A few thoughts:
In the U.S., over the last twenty years or so, we've seen some real
Folks, you can download the file from here.
Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute Alcohol -- US
Patent 1,704,213, E. Ricard, filed January 23, 1924. Acrobat file,
524kb. Scanned by F. Marc de Piolenc.
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/continuousalcohol.PDF
Please tell
Hi Ken
Keith:
Thanks back at ya for the composting answer.
You're more than welcome.
I'm a city guy these
days, but when I retire to the boondocks I'll be composting and
using a septic tank, so I'm trying to learn about it ahead of time.
Can do in the city, even in an apartment. I made hot
The Seven Sisters
The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made
Anthony Sampson
Hodder and Stoughton, 1975, ISBN 0 340 19427 8
Chapter 14 - Part 2
The New Cartel
Shah v. Sheikh
By 1974 the long rivalry between Iran and Saudi Arabia, which had
preoccupied the oil companies through the
Well, that's it, I hope you enjoyed it. There is one more chapter -
The Seduction, and the first seven chapters that I didn't scan, but
this should be enough. The book is available from second-hand book
dealers and is well worth reading in full. Try these:
Advanced Book Exchange
In a message dated 02/05/2002 12:07:34 GMT Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, that's it, I hope you enjoyed it. There is one more chapter -
The Seduction, and the first seven chapters that I didn't scan, but
this should be enough. The book is available from second-hand book
Hello Mark
In a message dated 02/05/2002 12:07:34 GMT Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, that's it, I hope you enjoyed it. There is one more chapter -
The Seduction, and the first seven chapters that I didn't scan, but
this should be enough. The book is available from
Hi, I tried to send this yesterday, but my computer told me it was too
hot to work.
I'm a city guy these
days, but when I retire to the boondocks I'll be composting and
using a septic tank, so I'm trying to learn about it ahead of time.
If you are going to be composting, why do you
I read a few of them and passed one on. They were excellent. Thanks.
MM
Well, that's it, I hope you enjoyed it. There is one more chapter -
The Seduction, and the first seven chapters that I didn't scan, but
this should be enough. The book is available from second-hand book
dealers and is
FYI-
Octane number:
iso-octane = 100
heptane = 0
ethanol = 113
kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
05/01/2002 05:30 PM
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
cc: (bcc: Shaen Rooney/APCP/DEQ/MODNR)
Subject:RE: [biofuel] Is it now time to talk to
Thanks Keith for the download, and thank you Marc for finding and scanning in
info.
-Chris
You're most welcome Chris - good, no problems then (never done a pdf
before). There's more good stuff from Marc in our Biofuels library,
by the way - have a look:
Hi,
Thought let you know all that worm composting even
if you live in urban area may be a good altarnative.
Since most of the people here are concrened about
enviroment this is another env friendly.
I have started worm compost in my patio for all the
kitchen waste using 10 gallons of
Wow
113.
I suppose present 87 octane would really sound bad under the old system of
measurement.
I think that is why they changed the system, so people wouldn't feel as
ripped off.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Shaen Rooney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:05 AM
The biodiesel list has been touted on occasions as a superior listing to
biofuels, containing, as claimed, more good info on biodiesel than appears on
the biofuels listing. This, IMO, is more BS.
For those of you who haven't looked, the last 400 or so msgs from biodiesel
over the last month
Yes, if you look in the city gardening especially the container
gardening pages of journeytoforever, you'll find a wealth of info on
truly viable gardening in tiny spaces. I'm playing around with the
concept found at http://journeytoforever.org/garden_con-mexico.html this
year. We have a
A partial explanation about octane that might help
(people like me).
From this site:
Northwest Iowa Community College (NWICC)
Sheldon, Iowa
Ethanol - As A Fuel (Modules)
http://www.nwicc.cc.ia.us/etsp.htm
Note: linked to Keith's site www.nwicc.cc.ia.us/contacts.htm
Excerpts:
Something that others on this list have mentioned
about net energy of ethanol.
Didn't notice a emphasis on humanure, methane, fertilizer,
insecticides, herbicides or other. plastic ides (sp?).
From this site:
Northwest Iowa Community College (NWICC)
Sheldon, Iowa
Ethanol - As A
Include me in that
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:03 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol
Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with
Harmon wrote:
Yes, if you look in the city gardening especially the container
gardening pages of journeytoforever, you'll find a wealth of info on
truly viable gardening in tiny spaces. I'm playing around with the
concept found at http://journeytoforever.org/garden_con-mexico.html this
We have formed a very exclusive club... Between us we control ninety
percent of crude exports to world markets, and we are now united. We are
making history.
-- Perez Alfonso, 1960
The Seven Sisters
The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made
Anthony Sampson
Hodder and Stoughton, 1975,
if your engine isn't pinging 113 is overkill. my car runs fine on 87.
Steve Spence
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something that others on this list have mentioned
about net energy of ethanol.
Didn't notice a emphasis on humanure, methane, fertilizer,
insecticides, herbicides or other. plastic ides (sp?).
From this site:
Northwest
please send info to [EMAIL PROTECTED] thank you for your time
.Robby
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I would like to have a copy of Us patent on Continuous manufacture of
absolute alcohol.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
F. Marc de
Piolenc To: Biofuel
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Include me in that
-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US
Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of
Somewhere I've got some URLs about some German, IIRC, companies working on
biomass gasification combined with fuel cells.
That would be cool.
A couple of links to stories, as to the issue of what companies are close to
actually offering one instead of continuing their dithering around.
HPOW
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if your engine isn't pinging 113 is overkill. my car runs fine on
87.
That is because you are using an engine that was designed to run on
Gasoline at 87 Octane.
If you are really going to get efficiency from Ethanol, you need
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Include me in that
-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US
Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of
yes, I realize that. added it for the benefit of those who thought bigger is
better, even on stock motors. Now, how do I get that supercharged mini
cooper to run E100?
Steve Spence
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On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:40:37PM -0400, steve spence wrote:
if your engine isn't pinging 113 is overkill. my car runs fine on 87.
Yup, what you want to do is find the *lowest* octane your engine will run on
without pinging under load. The lower the octane, the more power, actually,
since
I found diesel (1 or 2 gallon in a 20 gallon tank) gives me 5 to 8% better
mileage. Engine Chevy 350.
You can smell it in the exhaust too.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:43 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
Locks up my browser. Have to bring up Windows taskmaster and terminate
acrobat reader before I can close window or do anything else
Kirk
Thanks. I've no idea what's wrong, we've tried from several different
points, no problem. I've asked our hosts to investigate, I'll forward
this to them. (I
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