Re: [biofuels-biz] CALL TO ACTION- USDA CUTTING SUPPORT FOR BIODIESEL PRODUCTION

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
in order to sell it for fuel, the fees and equipment, as well as the sources of oil, are much higher than a backyard tinkerer has to pay. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [biofuels-biz] (no subject)

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
please don't. not good for the engine, not good for the lungs of the person behind you. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL

RE: [biofuel] We need alternative energy now

2002-10-27 Thread kirk
I read in a book published in the 60's by the title Should you stop smoking? that 3 minutes at a stoplight behind a diesel bus with bumper level exhaust was the equivalent of 500 cartons of cigarettes re inhaled carcinogens. Kirk -Original Message- From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Report: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel

2002-10-27 Thread Keith Young
I hate to be the negative one on the use of waste vegetable oil as an alternative fuel source, but to me it's just pie in the sky. If our regular supplies of fuel,(oil)is cut off that leaves little for the average Joe to use for the leisurely drives that we now enjoy. Without those trips the

Re: [biofuel] Spin Was: everything in their power

2002-10-27 Thread Doug Foskey
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:19, you wrote: Sigh . I think the spin is starting to work... the masses are starting to overcome the inertia, the river of cattle starting to flow as the spin doctors have intended. As America chants how everything we do has the blessings of God ... truth and

Re: [biofuel] Report: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel

2002-10-27 Thread Hakan Falk
My humble opinion on short and medium term, WVO is an alternative fuel and is probably best converted to bio diesel. The value as I see it, is not because the availability of source. The value of converting WVO is the waste recycling and as such it is a very good idea. It will not solve our

Re: [biofuel] Report: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel

2002-10-27 Thread Keith Addison
Keith Young wrote: I hate to be the negative one on the use of waste vegetable oil as an alternative fuel source, but to me it's just pie in the sky. If our regular supplies of fuel,(oil)is cut off that leaves little for the average Joe to use for the leisurely drives that we now enjoy.

Re: [biofuel] Report: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
WVO is just a used version of SVO, which is abundant. It's better to use the WVO instead of dumping it, but if the waste variety disappears (not likely, people still fry) the virgin oils will still be abundant. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read

Re: [biofuel] We need alternative energy now

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
so stop smoking, and use vegetable oil instead of diesel. it's false security to say that staying away from one toxin isn't important because of all the other toxins around us. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology:

[biofuel] Re: Report: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel

2002-10-27 Thread k5farms
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the virgin oils will still be abundant. Ya sure? Really, ya might want to be buying some beans bout now! and a shame to only use the oil once, at least put a turkey fryer for a fuel tank in the bed of the truck and drive it into

[biofuel] Re: Pro-privacy, pro-environment senator dies in crash

2002-10-27 Thread Harmon Seaver
Sounds a lot like somebody put an altimeter device on the planes controls. Dubbya would have excellents motivation to have him killed. http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Midwest/10/26/wellstone.investigation/index.html Ulman said a radio call was made from the plane -- carrying the Wellstones,

RE: [biofuel] We need alternative energy now

2002-10-27 Thread kirk
I quit 25 years ago. I should say successfully. I quit lots of times before that. Kirk -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:29 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] We need alternative energy now so stop

[biofuel] E= mc^hammer

2002-10-27 Thread Cletus Obrian
Howdy. I read your diatribe on nuclear energy and got a good chuckle out of it. First of all that light is the oscillating lines of force between charges was first advanced by Farady in the mid 1800s. Maxwells equations also say that anytime a charge feels an acceleration (even a centripetal

Re: [biofuel] We need alternative energy now

2002-10-27 Thread Tad Johnson
At 09:28 AM 10/27/02 -0500, you wrote: so stop smoking, and use vegetable oil instead of diesel. it's false security to say that staying away from one toxin isn't important because of all the other toxins around us. I've stopped all that stuff. Now I just need to find a way to quit women as

[biofuel] Wallas stoves on bioD (was Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-27 Thread craig reece
Steve, If you scroll down the page, you'll see that some of the stoves are diesel fueled - and thus should work fine with biodiesel, if not SVO or WVO. The Earthroamer guy has one is his Cummins-based camper. Craig Steve Spence wrote: even with heated vegetable oil, I don't think these will

Re: [biofuel] We need alternative energy now

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
good for you. I have a friend who berates a coworker for smoking, while he drinks heavily. both are toxins to the body. If we truly are interested in a clean environment, we will look at everything we breathe, eat and drink. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion

Re: [biofuel] Re: Pro-privacy, pro-environment senator dies in crash

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
Enough of the conspiracy theory crap please. Our president has no reason to have anyone killed, and wouldn't even if he had a reason. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [biofuel] Re: Report: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
yes I'm sure that vegetable oil bearing plants are abundant. we have field after field of corn and soybeans around here, and they are not even the best oil producers. We also will have abundant waste oil, as frying is quite popular. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter

Re: [biofuel] cool stuff

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
The issue with hydrogen is that you burn many more times the btu of the hydrogen releasing it from whatever carrier you are getting it from. It's not a fuel in it's own right, it's a carrier of energy. The primary (cheapest) source of hydrogen is fossil fuels. Steve Spence Subscribe to the

Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
even with heated vegetable oil, I don't think these will work well. kerosene (paraffin) is lighter than diesel. heated veg oil is thicker than diesel. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org

Re: [biofuel] Re: Pro-privacy, pro-environment senator dies in crash

2002-10-27 Thread Ken Provost
Steve Spence writes: Enough of the conspiracy theory crap please. Our president has no reason to have anyone killed, and wouldn't even if he had a reason. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume you weren't being facetious. If it was just a troll, let me know. Dubya has

Re: [biofuel] Re: Pro-privacy, pro-environment senator dies in crash

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
I'm being totally honest here. We don't kill our political adversaries in this country. I'm offended at the very accusation. The accusation is total horseshit, and I have no respect for those who encourage it. Take a reality pill, and leave the conspiracy crap to art bell and the national

Re: [biofuel] Wallas stoves on bioD (was Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
ahh, missed those. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27,

Re: [biofuel] OT: everything in their power

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
I am not worried that Israel would drop a nuke on me. I'm convinced Iraq would if given the chance. North Korea is less of a worry for me, they are a bit more rational, and have needs Iraq does not. They can be kept in control politically. I think many are confused who the aggressor is in

Re: [biofuel] Spin Was: everything in their power

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
whose hand is on the button .. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Curtis Sakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent:

Re: [biofuel] OT: everything in their power

2002-10-27 Thread Hakan Falk
I am sorry Steve, it might be all kind of opinions about what is going on in Palestine. But normally an occupation by force are defined as aggression or liberation and in this case it is definitely not an liberation. Furthermore, it is many UN resolutions to the fact. So if you say that it is

Re: [biofuel] OT: everything in their power

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence
Everytime the US forces Israel to back off, (and they do) the palestinians (there is no such people), bomb another bus or market. who is the aggressor? the Arab terrorists, not the Israeli's trying to reclaim the land they have owned for over 4000 years. So world opinion is against us. Doesn't

Re: [biofuel] Re: Report: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel

2002-10-27 Thread Keith Young
I'm probably looking at this as a breakdown in the overall transportation system. When oil becomes too expensive or not available to the average guy, those millions of gallons of wvo are simply not going to be there for very long. Anyone with disposable income,(which I believe will be very

[biofuel] Re: Pro-privacy, pro-environment senator dies in crash

2002-10-27 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm being totally honest here. We don't kill our political adversaries in this country. Since when? And your president is doing his best to get support to go invade Iraq and kill tens of thousands of totally innocent people