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Can you email a copy of this article, I can't get authorisation to the page
Done.
I've tended to start avoiding pasting entire articles out of some
respect for copyright, but if others have trouble with this particular
one, I guess we could copy
Yes, I know, there will be criticism of the value of Bush support for
ethanol
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:22:33 -0500, Remy C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From:
http://www.hpj.com/testnewstable.cfm?type=storysid=8044
via: http://www.newuses.org
Hydrogen Fuel Could Benefit Ethanol
Jan 30, 2003 -
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:27:27 -0500, Remy C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From:
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16_3512articleid=94914newscat=WA
via: http://www.newuses.org
Small Ethanol Producer Incentive Legislation Introduced
by Julianne Johnston
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:30:07 -0500, Remy C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From:
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via: http://www.newuses.org
Government unveils biomass-fuel project
The government unveiled a comprehensive plan Friday to tap biomass fuel
through the
Last one for now.
From:
http://www.ethanol.org/Information/Myths%20about%20Ethanol.htm
Top Ten Myths about Ethanol
(according to your friends at the MTBE industry, as listed on a pro-MTBE
website)
1 - Ethanol is listed as a known human carcinogen by the International
Agency for Research on
Hi MM
We covered this before, Hoagy posted it, and this isn't a new story,
dated the same time, December 28. Here are the other links:
http://www.asahi.com/english/national/K2002121600230.html
Environment Ministry high on alcohol-fueled vehicles
The Asahi Shimbun
Dave-
check out the yahoogroups called altfuelfurnace.
There's been lots of discussion about burning straight vegetable oil (SVO)
for heat.
-Myles
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I am sorry if you felt offended and did not realize that until
now that you did not realize the fact that Nazi Germany was
a democracy. I did not recognize that you did belong
to the indoctrinated part who believe that Hitler more
or less forced himself on the German people and not by the
more
I was reading that --
Norman Schwarzkopf wants to give peace a chance.
January 28, 2003
http://www.worldrevolution.org/article/388
Nelson Mandela accuses Bush of arrogance, racism
Thu Jan 30, 2003
At 02:13 PM 1/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Hakan,
snip
Was Sweden able or willing to defend itself, or would you be
happy to live under Marxist Leninist or Nazi or Fascist totalitarianism?
Are you willing to pay the price today for liberty, or are you happy to
have someone else pay the bill and
In the future, Solar or wind to generate electricity at home. Either to
produce Hydrogen or Compressed air.
They run not only the cars but your home appliances/lighting and everything
else!
President Clinton called that decentralized energy policy, no need to depend
on big oil or energy
Damian,
The problem using H2 in an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine), is that even on
H2, the ICE will cause pollution, particularly NOx emissions, which contribute
to smog formation.
The use of fuel cells driving electric propiulsion systems, having battery
storage is an expensive
Damian,
At 02:13 PM 1/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Hakan,
One reason that Hitler lost the war was that he ran out of oil to fuel
his tanks. Towards the end when General George S. Patton was striking
out across Europe to liberate the nations under the tyranny of Hitler,
including the
All aspects of diesel should be weighed out before giving in to
the negatives you're assuming.
Diesels:
1) Generally a longer lasting engine - less manufacturing energy
per road mile.
2) Generally less engine wear and less increase in emissions over
time than a gasoline engine.
3) Higher fuel
Are you willing to pay the price today for liberty, or are
you happy to
have someone else pay the bill and you stand on the sidelines
and snipe?
We have a word for that: cowardice.
Ahh yes Robert... :-) the infamous If you're not for us,
you're against us routine. Doesn't that just
Hello Filip
I've done quite a lot of work with this, though not as much as Todd,
but it was with phosphoric acid, not sulphuric acid - I don't know if
Todd's used sulphuric, but I think not. I do know that acidifying
soapstock is usually done with sulphuric acid, so, since this is very
I am trying to find what the estimated cost is to produce biodiesel with
both Soy Bean Oil and yellow grease. The National Biodiesel Board will
not help unless you join the biodiesel board at a cost of at least
$10.000 per year. We have already been approved for a loan from the bank
to build
Ever read Don Lancaster's magic sinewaves?
He has very low harmonic content.
Kirk
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From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:44 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Homemade inverters.
try
A square wave inverter brings up the interesting question of how the
comparatively noisy wave form will affect sensitive things.
Do you have any knowledge with a square wave inverter versus a sine wave?
kirk wrote:
Ever read Don Lancaster's magic sinewaves?
He has very low harmonic content.
I still think that would lead to centralization and that
decentralization is what we need.
Curtis
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I suppose you could add a bank of batteries at home,
RE: Homemade inverters.
I haven't read any of the listed references yet, what kind of efficiency are
these systems getting?
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Don't use a square wave with a HP laser printer. Probably the other brands
too.
Don't use square wave with magnetics -- transformers and motors. The higher
frequencies manifest as heat.
Kirk
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Damian J. Anderson wrote:
Hakan,
What I said was exactly this:
If it is a government of the people, by the people, for the
people, then it is a democracy. A society in which the people
do not have the option to change their government if they don't
like it is not a democracy.
Ken wrote:
Damian writes:
There is already a big biofuel lobby in the USA, namely the agribus-
inesses such as Archer Daniels Midland who favor ethanol production .
The main problem with fossil fuels appears to be the political insta-
bility of the sources. They burn producing carbon
Hi Hoagy
Very good stuff, thanks for posting it. It's all clear enough, eh,
for those with eyes to see and the will to use them. But I don't
think Damian is interested in Chomsky, more fool him.
Best
Keith
I am also very worried by the current trends in the US.
I think most of use
James Slayden wrote:
I thought I remember seeing this posted on JTF.
There's some info on it here, though I'm not sure you can use it that way:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html
How much methanol?
Berst
Keith
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Ken Provost wrote:
Mark writes:
Could
Hi Darryl
Just a brief comment...
snip
Damian J. Anderson wrote:
snip
snip
likely major source is electrolysis (requiring electricity). I'll be happy to
discuss fuel cells, electric vehicles and electrical generation with
you off-line
or on another list (EVs, hydrogen fuel, fuel cells),
I think that we have a troll in here .. it is starting to sound like
the John Grant thread on energy renewables.
Keith, any comments
Hi James
Definitely - yes, a John Grant lookalike.
I'm sorry, I've hardly managed to spend any time at the computer the
last few days, though I've been
NeilUSA wrote:
At 09:31 Tuesday, you wrote:
Currently here, we are paying silly amounts for our fuel, on average
$1.30 (USD) for a litre of dino-diesel and $1.27 for unleaded.
As an example, my company has applied
for a licence to make its own biodiesel for our 4 VW Caddy vans. Not a
Hi Curtis
Thanks for writing this, a good read, and good for you. Some people
would rather take the blue pill and keep right on dreaming they're
not just batteries, but there's no choice really is there? Better to
wake up, no matter how painful.
I may not change the world ... let alone this
Well, I know that you can get your crude oil de-odorized and bleached
also, so making BD out of some de-odorized would probably inheirit that
quality.
Personally, I like the smell of WVO BD, both in liquid and exhaust
form. =) Maybe it's the junk food connection
James Slayden
On Sat, 1
My my Damian. That all I have to say.
I say this ... not in upsetness or anger ... but in sadness. You provide
just one more piece of evidence that the Country that I have come to love
soo much ... the Great US of A ... is gone. That it has been swept away
... replaced instead by ... who
On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Keith Addison wrote:
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Go figure.
Interesting -- I hadn't noticed the Moonie connection. Actually,
it's a relief to see that. Supports the deluded idea, rather
than the more sinister one that we had in
I got pretty excited about plans for a 1200 watt inverter, then I saw
that it was square wave, and used a transformer that probably weighs a
couple Kg.
Switch-mode design comes to mind, but that is a fairly complicated
subject that I don't know a lot about.
I am thinking about trying a
hehehehehe!! I wonder when his mothership is coming in ..
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Ken Provost wrote:
On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Keith Addison wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.unification.net
Go figure.
Interesting -- I hadn't noticed the Moonie
I am afraid that i don't see what all this has to do with what i said.
I was talking about the potential benefits of a car that could run on the
energy
stored overnight by compressing air.
My example was of solar panels on a roof either directly running a
compressor.
I suppose maybe you are
You will need to check the commodity future's for both for price
comparisons. I think that waste rendering oil is ~.16c and crude oil
varies dependent on feedstock. Then again, if you set up contracts to
pick up used fryer oil your feedstock cost may go down dramatically.
James Slayden
On
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IMMEDIATE ATTENTION NEEDED : HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
FROM: GEORGE WALKER BUSH
202.456.1414 / 202.456.
FAX: 202.456.2461
DEAR SIR / MADAM,
I AM GEORGE WALKER BUSH, SON OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, AND
darn, I wish I had my pics from the seperations we did in Girl Marks
Ecology Center workshop. Mark, you have any online Pics available on what
the seperation should look like?
James Slayden
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, filip.ponsaerts wrote:
follow-up on my question, see answers below
Who can
Hi Keith
Nice to know you've seen the movie! But, continuing the analogy, I ...
really have NOTHING at all against people wanting to take the blue pill.
Really ... I do not. It is their right ... and I have no intention of
denying that right.
My sadness is more along the line ... that as time
It's a follow up on your topic on energy storage.
Instead of battery, power generates from Solar or Wind can be transformed to
Hydrogen or compressed air for later use.
Either for air car, water car or home appliances.
Didn't get involved in emmission, but safety will need to be supervised.
At 03:05 Saturday, you wrote:
NeilUSA wrote:
I understand though that the vegi-diesel still smells of french fries (or
whatever the feed stock came from). You may need to deoderize the
biodiesel.
Whyever, Neil? Every now and then someone suggests this and it always
puzzles me. Actually it
Leonard Piekoff wrote a book about the similarities, several decades
ago, called Ominous Parallels. That said, I think there are lots of
Americans that are aware of what is going on and really trying to change
the path that the US is headed for. Hope springs eternal.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
I take you are referring to the Matrix? For those of us in the older
generation, we called it pink monkeys and brown monkeys from a Robert
Heinlein story.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
csakima wrote:
Hi Keith
Nice to know you've seen the movie! But, continuing the analogy, I ...
really have
Most people probably know about this already, but San Diego State
University built an 80 mpg Enigma diesel-electric hybrid sports car
using the Lupo engine. It's a plug-in hybrid, similar to what Daryl
will be building. Links from JTF, of course:
Please, get a life impostor! I support the real President George W. Bush's
policy on Iraq! Regards.
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Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
I'm in support of HAKAN. Let us not use this discussion site for any political
statements that will cause the polarization of group members re: open and clean
discussions on BIO-FUEL to an usavory political tract! Let us be mature enough
to understand why we are all here and that is to share
Yes, I know, there will be criticism of the value of Bush support for
ethanol
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:22:33 -0500, Remy C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
From:
http://www.hpj.com/testnewstable.cfm?type=storysid=8044
via: http://www.newuses.org
Hydrogen Fuel Could Benefit Ethanol
Jan 30, 2003 -
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:30:07 -0500, Remy C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
From:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nb20021228a9.htm
via: http://www.newuses.org
Government unveils biomass-fuel project
The government unveiled a comprehensive plan Friday to tap biomass fuel
through the
Last one for now.
From:
http://www.ethanol.org/Information/Myths%20about%20Ethanol.htm
Top Ten Myths about Ethanol
(according to your friends at the MTBE industry, as listed on a pro-MTBE
website)
1 - Ethanol is listed as a known human carcinogen by the International
Agency for Research on
I don't think anyone photographed it and I don't have a digital camera. But
there's photos at the jtf section on glycerine/ffa separation and Im sure
that filip saw them...
mark
At 11:51 AM 1/31/2003 -0800, you wrote:
darn, I wish I had my pics from the seperations we did in Girl Marks
Ecology
Actually I took pics of the jar that you brought to the workshop. At
least that's what I think it is (or what it looks like!). It could have
been an emulsification exammple, although the middle layer is molasses
color, so it seems to be Glyc seperation.
Dunno, there was a question from Ken
I think you're thinking of something else. not sure what though. the middle
layer of the jar I had in class was clearish yellowish. there wasn't all
that much visible salts layer if you looked at the jar head on.
the reason ken mentioned soap is cause that's what's being broken down from
the
Hi Curtis
Hi Keith
Nice to know you've seen the movie!
Yes, good movie, but it's an old theme in SF, explored many times,
and worth exploring, not done to death yet. Well beyond SF too,
actually, the earliest example I can think of is an ancient Sanskrit
fable. Maya! All is maya! (All is
NeilUSA wrote:
At 03:05 Saturday, you wrote:
NeilUSA wrote:
I understand though that the vegi-diesel still smells of french fries (or
whatever the feed stock came from). You may need to deoderize the
biodiesel.
Whyever, Neil? Every now and then someone suggests this and it always
Leonard Piekoff wrote a book about the similarities, several decades
ago, called Ominous Parallels. That said, I think there are lots of
Americans that are aware of what is going on and really trying to change
the path that the US is headed for. Hope springs eternal.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
PS
Hi MM
We covered this before, Hoagy posted it, and this isn't a new story,
dated the same time, December 28. Here are the other links:
http://www.asahi.com/english/national/K2002121600230.html
Environment Ministry high on alcohol-fueled vehicles
The Asahi Shimbun
I have been keeping my on the inverter subject for a while. As a
'reasonably' educated electronics technician (mostly digital) I feel I
can comment on this.
Most inverters are notorious energy wasters. Energy waste is
proportional to energy drawn. For example (not accurate) a 100W inverter
Ahh Keith?
I don't think Albert actually got the joke. Or did he think it was not a
joke? Either way, it is bad for all of us if too many don't get the joke.
Too many of us are living in communities that would rather pull the twig
out of a neighbors eye before pulling the log out of our
From: tvoivozhd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Homestead mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New fuel cell runs on sugar syrup---who needs Exxon anyway.
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:29:06 -0500
Fuel cell runs on sugar water (glucose, sucrose et. al.) As noted in
Chemical Engineering, chemical engineers
Best
Keith
Most governments take a dim view on anyone not forking over their
property in taxes heaped upon car fuels to support all manner of
non-transportation infrastructure expenditures.
It would be interesting to work out how much Dino juice is necessary
'blanket' the FC smell.
Oh but biofuel is extremely political, as are fossil fuels and
newks. Make no mistake about it. As have been solar, wind and
geothermal for decades. Just a matter of which side of the fence
you choose to build your house on and who's ring finger one is
willing to kiss...or not.
Understanding
Thousands don't have to die to defeat one guy.
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Democracy
Ahh Keith?
I don't think Albert actually got the joke. Or did he think
Okay. But therein lies the conundrum. To take an engine from an
existing auto that already gets 78.5 mpg and put it into a hybrid
configuration only to get 80.0 mpg would give the inclination
that something is largely awry. A hybrid that only gets 1.5 mpg
greater efficiency is a great deal of
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