Re[2]: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo John, Had we not considered it legal we wouldn't have done it. Lots of things are considered legal until challenged. Perhaps I should have put *considered* for emphasis on considered but I didn't think it was necessary. Happy Happy, Gustl Tuesday, 10 February, 2004, 15:21:3

[biofuel] Ford attacked on fuel policy

2004-02-10 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0402/06/c01-57178.htm Friday, February 6, 2004 Ford attacked on fuel policy Environmentalists' campaign takes on Bill Ford Jr. over failed effort to improve SUV fuel efficiency By Jeff Plungis / Detroit News Washington Bureau California-based Blue Wat

[biofuel] Report Questions Bush Plan for Hydrogen-Fueled Cars

2004-02-10 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/06/politics/06HYDR.html Report Questions Bush Plan for Hydrogen-Fueled Cars By MATTHEW L. WALD Published: February 6, 2004 WASHINGTON, Feb. 5 - President Bush's plan for cars running on clean, efficient hydrogen fuel cells is decades away from commercial reality

[biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread tomasjkn
> Something else that should be remembered is that when Western > consumers (and Japanese ones too) buy irresistably cheap stuff made > in China, it's not really cheap - the price difference is all too > often accounted for by exploitation and labour conditions that come > very close to slave

Re: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secureoil

2004-02-10 Thread Hakan Falk
John, The Supreme Court yes, but the ending of internments? How long did it take, bureaucracy can be difficult? I suppose the Cuba is outside the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court? Today's government is maybe more sophisticated. I have friend from Hawaii whose father was interned in WWII, n

Re: [biofuel] biofuel from oil for a thesis

2004-02-10 Thread Keith Addison
michelle manglicmot wrote: >I will be trying to make biofuel from coconut oil through the method >suggested in journey to forever. Which one? There are several, not all for novices. > it was stated there that product will be >allowed to stand for 3 weeks. is it possible to cut short this time?

[biofuel] Cleaning House

2004-02-10 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17763 Cleaning House By L. Rajiva, AlterNet February 5, 2004 Summers at home in India pass in a precarious time warp. I can fax, chat on the net or make a cell-phone call abroad but when I walk over to my nephew's house, only a mile and a half away i

[biofuel] Diesel makes for more smog: The 'green' fuel emits less carbondioxide but could still boost pollution.

2004-02-10 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.nature.com/nsu/040202/040202-13.html Diesel makes for more smog The 'green' fuel emits less carbon dioxide but could still boost pollution. 6 February 2004 MARK PEPLOW Widespread use of diesel engines, often thought of as 'greener' than the petrol alternatives, would make the air s

Re: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread John Hayes
Hakan Falk wrote: > John, > > Are you sure that you have the dates right, if so, the court ruling must be > a joke. To rule 1994 against the second world war concentration camps for > the Japanese in US. -)) > > If it was dec. 1944, the shortly ending of internment, must have been close > or

[biofuel] biofuel from oil for a thesis

2004-02-10 Thread michelle manglicmot
I will be trying to make biofuel from coconut oil through the method suggested in journey to forever. it was stated there that product will be allowed to stand for 3 weeks. is it possible to cut short this time? _ MSN 8 helps elimi

Re: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread Hakan Falk
John, Are you sure that you have the dates right, if so, the court ruling must be a joke. To rule 1994 against the second world war concentration camps for the Japanese in US. -)) If it was dec. 1944, the shortly ending of internment, must have been close or at the end of WWII. LOL Hakan

Re: [biofuel] Rope curtains was: First aid for house owners.

2004-02-10 Thread Hakan Falk
MM, A very good idea, let a computer do what people did in ancient times, but forgot now. It would actually give quite good energy savings. We could even let it utilize the mass storage of the home, instead of what most systems do today, fight it. The Californian type of energy crises could b

Re: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread John Hayes
Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: > And just so we don't start getting puffed up here in the states we > need to remember that we had concentration camps for the Japanese here > and we considered them completely legal. Pick your enemy, persecute > them and lock them up. Sad commentary on we h

FW: Re[2]: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread Ware, John
And don't forget the "enemy combatents" currently lockup up at Guantanamo. No Geneva Convention rights, no access to their families, counsel or any legal system. Perfectly legal and with the complete support of many Americans. john -Original Message- From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [mai

Re: [biofuel] Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread Keith Addison
Yves vd hoeven wrote: >Whenever the topic of China comes up in a discussion I think we should not >forget what this nation is capable of as far it's human rights record is >concerned. Personally I'm unlikely to forget that. You say "nation", and indeed we do have to distinguish between "Chinese

[biofuel] Oil and Democracy Don't Mix

2004-02-10 Thread Keith Addison
http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=593_0_2_0_C In These Times Oil and Democracy Don't Mix Bush administration policies guarantee a constant flow, no matter what the human cost By Frida Berrigan | 2.4.04 At a 1996 energy conference in New Orleans, Dick Cheney, then CEO of Halli

Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming

2004-02-10 Thread Keith Addison
Ken Gotberg wrote: >Apologies if this has already been posted. Wonderful! So "we" (of the advanced industrialised societies) can go right on burning up our greedy and wasteful "share" of energy resources that aren't even ours as if there's no tomorrow, let's all get even bigger SUVs, and, hey

Re: [biofuel] Conical bottom drum vs flat bottom drum

2004-02-10 Thread Appal Energy
J. Schearer, A flat bottom reactor will work as well as a conical or round bottom unit. The challenge for the flat bottom is to achieve the same drain characteristics. Whether using a metal or plastic tank, place the tank on an inclined platform with a pitch of 1:12. [The following pretty much

Re[2]: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Yves, Tuesday, 10 February, 2004, 08:31:48, you wrote: ...couple of snips... Yvh> It just depends on the perspective. The Nazis judged the Yvh> concentration camps in 1942 as a normal part of their system and Yvh> therefore completely legal. And just so we don't start gettin

Re: [biofuel] Rope curtains was: First aid for house owners.

2004-02-10 Thread Greg and April
I have seen these or something like these, at a local home and garden show, and they could be set up to open and close automatically, depending on the time of day ( I think that they were working on a controller that worked with a light sensor, shutting them after the light reached a certain br

Re: [biofuel] Rope curtains was: First aid for house owners.

2004-02-10 Thread murdoch
I found these: http://www.insolroll.com/rolling/index.html which advertise that they are "European Style" Shutters. It occurrs to me that, with the sort of motorization this company provides (generally they tell me their thing is motorization of other people's shades), one could try to progra

Re: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secureoil

2004-02-10 Thread Yves vd hoeven
>Absolutely not. The former Chinese president overruled his own >constitutionally granted powers to initiate this 'cultural revolution >styled' persecution. The murdering and torturing which is going on for the last four years is in violation of all international laws and treaties. Besides th

Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming

2004-02-10 Thread bob allen
this seems very silly, at least in thermodynamic terms. I don't care what magical process you use it requires just as much (actually more) energy to to reduce carbon dioxide to carbon as you get from oxidizing it in the first place. Ken Gotberg wrote: > >http://www.solaraccess.com/new

[biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread tomasjkn
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Yves vd hoeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hundreds of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners have been illegally > arrested and detained. > > Over 100,000 have been illegally sent to labor camps without trials. Pshaw! They were arrested, detained and sent t

[biofuel] Re: Global Warming Alarmists Are the Ones Filled with Hot Air

2004-02-10 Thread tomasjkn
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Gotberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another journalistic point of view? > > > What the data shows is not warming but cooling: "The > lower [troposphere] data are often cited as evidence > against global warming, because they have as yet > failed to show any

Re: [biofuel] Solar to Noncarbon Fuels Other Than H2

2004-02-10 Thread Ken Gotberg
Hi Murdoch, Greg, and April Hydrazine is a liquid at normal temps (mp 2C, bp 113C) and while no longer used as a rocket booster fuel, it is used for positioning/microcontroller jets. The technology is fairly developed now and could make sense as an earthbound vehicle fuel. Nitrogen compounds ar

[biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming

2004-02-10 Thread Ken Gotberg
Apologies if this has already been posted. http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=6001 Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming Auckland, New Zealand, February 2, 2004 [SolarAccess.com] The technological breakthrough which the world scientific and health communities have been desp

[biofuel] Global Warming Alarmists Are the Ones Filled with Hot Air

2004-02-10 Thread Ken Gotberg
Another journalistic point of view? http://www.opinioneditorials.com/contributors/rummo_20040128.html January 28, 2004 Global Warming Alarmists Are the Ones Filled with Hot Air Gregory Rummo The frigid temperatures that continue throughout the Northeast and the ice storms that pushed into t

Re: [biofuel] Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil

2004-02-10 Thread Yves vd hoeven
Whenever the topic of China comes up in a discussion I think we should not forget what this nation is capable of as far it's human rights record is concerned. Let's just take one - but very striking - example, the persecution of Falun Gong: Falun Gong is a traditional Chinese spiritual discipl

[biofuel] Fwd: quality control issues and blendstock marketing was theRe: NBB

2004-02-10 Thread girl mark
(crossposted from the US small producers list) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "skillshare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (quoting Keith Addison): "Highlights" included "a plant tour at Imperial Western > >Products' (www.biotanefuels.com) biodie

[biofuel] washing / drying BD

2004-02-10 Thread david
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[biofuel] B100 getting banned in California

2004-02-10 Thread girl mark
(Apologies for the crossposting and apologies if you've gotten this message multiple times in your inbox) Sales of all B100 biodiesel are about to be banned in California, on the technicality that the biodiesel specification, ASTM D-6751, is technically entitled a biodiesel 'blendstock' spec

[biofuel] Re: Methoxide mixing

2004-02-10 Thread skillshare
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Koole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > I thought that NaOH and methanol should not be mixed too long before use. This is a widespread myth... if you keep it closed tight it's fine keeping methoxide for long periods of time. Just re-stir it somehow

Re: [biofuel] Homebrew

2004-02-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Mike, welcome >Hi everyone. > >Can anyone point me to a "homebrew cookbook"? I would like to run >one of my cars on ethanol and I would like to be set up by mid-summer. > >I have an engineering background and I take great pleasure in >tinkering. Fabrication isn't the problem - chemistry is.

[biofuel] Re: Homebrew

2004-02-10 Thread CornFed (Randy)
http://www.homedistiller.org/ take a peek at this webpage it should answer most of your questions --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Redler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Can anyone point me to a "homebrew cookbook"? I would like to run > one of my cars on ethanol and

[biofuel] Homebrew

2004-02-10 Thread Michael Redler
Hi everyone. Can anyone point me to a "homebrew cookbook"? I would like to run one of my cars on ethanol and I would like to be set up by mid-summer. I have an engineering background and I take great pleasure in tinkering. Fabrication isn't the problem - chemistry is. I'm O.K. with the gen