Re: [Biofuel] A nice experience

2005-05-08 Thread Pieter Koole
Thanks for your answer. What other problems can it cause, exept for a bad start on cold mornings ? I used 40 liters of phosphoric acid on 1000 liters of glop. Of course first I made some mini batches to find out wether it would work and figured out that I needed about 40 liters of 75% of acid.

Re: [Biofuel] A nice experience

2005-05-08 Thread Ken Provost
on 5/7/05 9:00 AM, Pedro Ordonez at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a question I've had for a while now. If the purpose of making Biodiesel is to lower the viscosity of the oil, what would happen if we used just free fatty acids? Why won't that work? Have you checked the viscosity of

Re: [Biofuel] A nice experience

2005-05-08 Thread Pieter Koole
I don't know much about viscosity. How can I measure it ? What should be the viscosity of BD ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:05 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Biofuel] palm oil,Brasil and fexivel biofuel.

2005-05-08 Thread Pannir P.V
In Brasil , BioD is made from fatty acids and ethanol in a very large scale using catalyst made here , a byproduct the fatty acids from the palm oil refinig process very sucessfully and thus the food and fuel from palm oil sucessfully. Most of the car manfactured in Brasil

Re: [Biofuel] A nice experience

2005-05-08 Thread Pannir P.V
The waste vegetable oil is obtained by thermal cracking , the soap ou glop may be the glycerine part, the other free fatty acids as the main products , which under acid condiciones and room temperatuture with longer time forming BIOD . This may or may not be true The thermal

Re: [Biofuel] looking to travel, (fuel stops)(stories) and biofuel

2005-05-08 Thread Pannir P.V
HŽlio Billy Wish you the best of the sucees. Here , in Brasil , people are able to buy used small motor fiting this in bicycle.You can thik of making simple flexivel biofuel motor bicycle , meet te several biofuel people and make the jouney for ever. sd Pannir On 5/7/05, billy

[Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London

2005-05-08 Thread Jules Veres
Hi! I don't know if anyone heard about this event in London.It should be next week.One of the attractions is the Saab 95 Biopower.It uses95%bioethanol and15% regular fuel.The engine can produce 180bhp.It sold about a 1000 units in Sweden already.The owners get special incentives fom the

[Biofuel] Questions about ethanol

2005-05-08 Thread Pieter Koole
Hi all, I would like to give it another try to make ethanol from sawdust or other cellulose materials. In the past I have tried Sawdust ethanol production which I read somewhere I think on JTF, but didn't succeed. Well, IF I succeed this time, how can I now the % of ethanol and water ? I have

[Biofuel] Question about BD

2005-05-08 Thread Pieter Koole
Hello all, Maybe a silly question, but I cannot figure out how it works really. As far as I understand, veg.oil exists out of a glycerol + 3 fatty acids, like a head with 3 legs. During the BD proces, we break off the legs, using NaOH, and connect a methanol molecule on each leg. When we break

RE: [Biofuel] A nice experience

2005-05-08 Thread Keith Addison
Biodiesel is to lower the viscosity of the oil, That isn't the only purpose in making biodiesel, lower viscosity is only one aim. what would happen if we used just free fatty acids? Why won't that work? It will work, but for how long? From previous: If you think viscosity is all that

Re: [Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London

2005-05-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Just a bit curious, since when and where did they start with highway tolls in Sweden? Free city parking and special tax breaks, I did not read about any revolutions in Sweden. LOL Hakan At 03:22 AM 5/8/2005, you wrote: Hi! I don't know if anyone heard about this event in London.It should

Re: [Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London

2005-05-08 Thread Go Hoff
Hakan wrote: Just a bit curious, since when and where did they start with highway tolls in Sweden? Free city parking and special tax breaks, I did not read about any revolutions in Sweden. LOL Well, there is the bridge over to Denmark paid for by taxes with a one way toll higher than a Ryan

Re: [Biofuel] A nice experience

2005-05-08 Thread JanWarnqvist
Helllo Pedro. The point of making biodiesel out of oil is not just to lower the viscosity, but also to change the molecule structure,making the oil obtain more diesel fuel-like properties. Frre fatty acids are a lot more difficult to combust, and have (in general) higher melting points than the

Re: [Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London

2005-05-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Gohoff, Wow, -:) no wonder it is newsworthy. I would not really call the bridge a highway in Sweden, but I did pay the bridge a few times. You are cheating a little bit here. I knew about the discussions about congestion tariffs, but never thought that it already was approved. It was a lot of

Re: [Biofuel] Clean Energy Show London

2005-05-08 Thread Jules Veres
Hi Hakan! I got the info on the Saab Biopower from a Hungarian site called Totalcar.It had a picture and the story so if its not true than its something they made up! If you want to see it its :www.totalcar.hu Jules. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falkmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol

2005-05-08 Thread Dean Thomas
Sorry I could be mistaken there is always something new to learn but do you mean methanol instead of ethanol. Methanol is otherwise known as wood alcohol and a small amount is formed during on the grain fermentation during the making of alcohol (Ethanol) beverages the Grain husks being the

Re: [Biofuel] Question about BD

2005-05-08 Thread Pannir P.V
Helow Pieter Koole The free fatty acids react with Naoh , make sop and hence retards as this this an unwanted byprocts as this one is called the saponifcation , where as the other one you understand well is transesterication , whwr both the by products are glyceine where is the

Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol

2005-05-08 Thread Pannir P.V
Helo Pieter As we have done Phd work on the etanol form biomass via enymatic in 1980 from IIT Delhi , see earlier post in this list,we like to help in your effort towards making etanol form biomass. Please kindly send details about your past experiments. Zeolite surely can be

Re: [Biofuel] palm oil

2005-05-08 Thread Manick Harris
Heernica, Pl try to acquire copy of proc of 1998 biodiesel conference organised by porim, a mal. govt. RD body, which is mentioned in this url: http://mpob.gov.my/pub_list.htm heernica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, if anyone knows of a running plant using palm oil to make biodiesel I would be

Re: [Biofuel] Question about BD

2005-05-08 Thread Keith Addison
Maybe a silly question, They say the only stupid question is the one you don't ask. Not sure about silly answers though ... But we aren't chemists and lots of other people also aren't chemists, so let's see what we can make of it and if it's silly maybe a kindly chemist will help us out.

Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol

2005-05-08 Thread Keith Addison
I would like to give it another try to make ethanol from sawdust or other cellulose materials. In the past I have tried Sawdust ethanol production which I read somewhere I think on JTF, but didn't succeed. Others have. Producing ethanol from cellolose by acid hydrolysis is a long-established

Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol

2005-05-08 Thread Michael Redler
OK, Since we're on the subject, I've been wondering where I can purchase the H2SO4 necessary for this process. Can anyone give me some direction? Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I would like to give it another try to make ethanol from sawdust or other cellulose materials.

Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol

2005-05-08 Thread Chris
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/ OK, Since we're on the subject, I've been wondering where I can purchase the H2SO4 necessary for this process. Can anyone give me some direction? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Questions about ethanol

2005-05-08 Thread Brian
an account with them to do it. I guess that Sulfuric Acid is on some sort of restricted list due to potential uses for bomb making or some such. Makes it more difficult to get, but not impossible. With Fischer, if you just give yourself a corporate name and have some commercial address to