Re: [Biofuel] The Global War on Civil Liberties

2005-12-30 Thread Andre de Jager
Hi All One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. We in South Africa have been there, seen it, lived it and maybe got past some of it. What would this piece of legislation have done to the ANC's London office. Would there have been anywhere near the pressure that was brought to bear

Re: [Biofuel] America Right or Wrong

2005-12-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Ken On Dec 29, 2005, at 2:38 AM, Keith Addison wrote: from America Right or Wrong: AsiaSource Interview with Anatol Lieven December 21, 2004 ..tremendously strong power of American national myths. ... Vietnam knocked these myths off their pedestal, but many Americans spent a whole

Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification Seperation

2005-12-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello John JTF states in Section 5 (http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#biodnew) , to carefully decant the BD off the top, making certain not to get any of the glycerine in the BD. If you do, resettle and and try again. Not quite right. Why not just quote it, copy and paste?

[Biofuel] Transesterification Seperation after using ethanol

2005-12-30 Thread francisco j burgos
Dear sirs: 1.-Could you please indicate me if Free Fatty Acids are soluble in: a) Glycerine b) Biodiesel (tallow ethyl ester). 2.- Using Ethanol 99.9%, KOH, beef talow, I obtained BD (liquid at 25ºC, 77ºF) but glicerine separation not detectable. Any suggestion?. Thanks in advance, Mr.

Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification Separation after using ethanol

2005-12-30 Thread Ken Provost
On Dec 30, 2005, at 6:31 AM, francisco j burgos wrote: 1.-Could you please indicate me if Free Fatty Acids are soluble in: a) Glycerine b) Biodiesel (tallow ethyl ester). Nearly insoluble in glycerol, fully soluble in biodiesel. 2.- Using Ethanol 99.9%, KOH, beef talow, I obtained BD

Re: [Biofuel] The Global War on Civil Liberties

2005-12-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello André Hi All One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Indeed. We in South Africa have been there, seen it, lived it and maybe got past some of it. Some of it, maybe. I left when there was no further hope of a peaceful outcome (1977), but there's hope now, and good reason

[Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2005-12-30 Thread bob allen
acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs In my lab I have had little success with the acid/base method for biodiesel production. When my students and I tried to duplicate the foolproof method http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html we invariably obtained incomplete

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2005-12-30 Thread Ken Provost
On Dec 30, 2005, at 11:34 AM, bob allen wrote: acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs The following is my modification of that procedure which works for us, and takes less time, but requires more catalyst. Dissolve 1 ml sulfuric acid in 150 ml methanol and add to 1 liter liter

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2005-12-30 Thread bob allen
Howdy Ken, Ken Provost wrote: On Dec 30, 2005, at 11:34 AM, bob allen wrote: acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs The following is my modification of that procedure which works for us, and takes less time, but requires more catalyst. Dissolve 1 ml sulfuric acid in 150 ml

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2005-12-30 Thread Ken Provost
On Dec 30, 2005, at 3:42 PM, bob allen wrote: it didn't work for me either, using the short reaction time and low temperature in the foolproof method, but I did a control experiment with my conditions. using similar conditions of concentration, and temperature, (my method) oleic acid,

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2005-12-30 Thread Appal Energy
Bob, Why not drain the small amount of glycerol that settles out of an esterification? The majority of the sulfuric will come out with it. That lessens the amount of base catalyst needed for the follow-up transesterification. Fewer chemicals in, fewer problems out. Todd Swearingen bob

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2005-12-30 Thread Appal Energy
Ken, Acid catalysis works well. Industry often uses feedstock of 100% FFAs in order to achieve a pure or nearly pure mono-ester product. The easiest way to test the theory on a pauper's budget is to take the glyc cocktail from two side-by-side trials from identical feedstock and reaction

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2005-12-30 Thread bob allen
Appal Energy wrote: Bob, Why not drain the small amount of glycerol that settles out of an esterification? The majority of the sulfuric will come out with it. That lessens the amount of base catalyst needed for the follow-up transesterification. again, this is just what I observed: no

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2005-12-30 Thread Appal Energy
Bob, Additionally, if I do wait and do get some glycerin to settle out with my conditions, wouldn't you think that methanol also would be part of the cocktail, thence affecting the equilibrium? Roger that. Hence the counter measure of adding back as much alcohol to the base side as the

Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification Separation after using ethanol

2005-12-30 Thread francisco j burgos
Dear Mr. Ken Provost: Thanks. F. J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification Separation after using ethanol On Dec 30, 2005, at 6:31 AM,

[Biofuel] Seeds

2005-12-30 Thread lres1
Prakash Chhagani, Can you please send details of what you can supply in the range of Jatropha of the non-toxic variety. Would like cost of DHL from you to me here of 5,000 seed lots. Thank you for your help. Doug Handisides- Original Message - From: prakash chhangani To: