Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?

2006-01-18 Thread doug
Mike Weaver wrote: HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM. snip Thanks, I needed a good grin! doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread Arttu Aula
You're talking about 2 different things. Talking about so-and-so-much vacuum is sort of misleading. Your 30Hg of vacuum means 0Hg (0 mmHg, 0 mbar, 0 psi) absolute pressure; the vapor pressure points were absolute pressure. Absolute pressure is measured according to how high of a column of mercury

[Biofuel] Study Hits EPA Plan to Censor Community Pollution Reports

2006-01-18 Thread Mike Weaver
Yet in California WVO is so dangerous that it needs a special license and 1 million dollars worth of insurance to even touch it. I wonder why it is not illegal to transport 35 lbs of SVO? Logically, it is the same stuff. And what do I do with my used turkey fryer oil? I wonder if the big

[Biofuel] Methanol recovery

2006-01-18 Thread Mike Weaver
Crystal Methanol has affected my spelling abilitie. Otherwise, I agree completely with Pieter. Amazing Keith, that you put any time in stupid articles like this man wrote. How can you keep your patients ? Greetings, Pieter. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[Biofuel] ECUADOR: Selling the Amazon for a Handful of Beads

2006-01-18 Thread Michael Redler
This really got my attention.[snip]"The contracts come to light as an oil boom bears down on the Ecuadorian Amazon. Ecuador's 100,000 square kilometers of the world's richest rainforests unfortunately sit atop 4.4 billion proven barrels of oil, the 26th largest reserve in the world."

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread Joe Street
Hi John; Ok I can see right off the bat where the confusion is comming from. There is a discrepancy in the way these units are expressed because the vapour pressure is expressed as just that - pressure. Vacuum is expressed using the same units but in a negative sense ie 30" vacuum is the same

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?

2006-01-18 Thread Joe Street
Keith! You live on a mountain in Japan? How are you coping with all the snow dude? Last I heard 4m fell. Be vewwwy qwiet while you tiptoe around ok? It wouldn't do to have a few megatons of snow come and wipe you off the mountain! J ___

Re: [Biofuel] ECUADOR: Selling the Amazon for a Handful of Beads

2006-01-18 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Interesting. But compared to world use, 4.4 billion barrels is not all that much. Suadi Arabia claims to have 260 billion, and probably actually has at least 100 or 150 billion. They are currently pumping almost 2 billion a year. On 1/18/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This really got

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread David Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to Science class! Vacuum- I have worked very little with vacuum. While in the Navy, I was learning OJT a little about refrigeration. At that time I was taught inches of Hg. and 30Hg is the max but extremely hard or impossible to achieve. One of the problems

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread logan vilas
- Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum. Those sound about right. An atmosphere is ~30 mercury and ~30 feet of water. Just in case anyone is

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
inline David Miller wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to Science class! Vacuum- I have worked very little with vacuum. While in the Navy, I was learning OJT a little about refrigeration. At that time I was taught inches of Hg. and 30Hg is the max but extremely hard or impossible to

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread logan vilas
Well said, but a higher vacuum can be pulled when below sea level and it will read lower when above sea level. So it would be best to know your baramic pressure before determining what your vacuum needs to be. Forpeople above sea levelthey don't have to get as high ofa vacuume because they

Re: [Biofuel] ECUADOR: Selling the Amazon for a Handful of Beads

2006-01-18 Thread Michael Redler
I certainly agree with you...today.MikeZeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. But compared to world use, 4.4 billion barrels is not all that much. Suadi Arabia claims to have 260 billion, and probably actually has at least 100 or 150 billion. They are currently pumping almost 2

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread Joe Street
Atmospheric pressure varies by a fraction of an inch (except for at the eye of a hurricane and then dewatering your oil is less important!) logan vilas wrote: Well said, but a higher vacuum can be pulled when below sea level and it will read lower when above sea level. So it would

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol recovery

2006-01-18 Thread Keith Addison
Crystal Methanol has affected my spelling abilitie. Otherwise, I agree completely with Pieter. But what choice did you leave me, other than to have innocent people believing that we'd cornered the world supply of phenomenalfailure, which simply isn't true, the White House owns it. Amazing

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?

2006-01-18 Thread Keith Addison
Keith! You live on a mountain in Japan? Indeed I do Joe, at least Weaver got something right, LOL! How are you coping with all the snow dude? Last I heard 4m fell. 7m in some places. It's killed about a hundred people in Japan so far. Not so bad here though, much worse in the north. Be

[Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in it relative to wind/alternative energy

2006-01-18 Thread Appal Energy
He's sued and written and organized with passion and prowess. But his op-ed on Cape Wind, with its (risible) fear that the windmills might be heard ashore, showed that he hadn't quite understood just /how/ critical the need to get the U.S. off fossil fuels really is.

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread logan vilas
To remove water at 55C your pump has to remove 11(at sea level)times the atsmopheric volume of your container before you get to a low enough vacuum to boil off water. If your atsmophericpressure is 0.13 PSI lowerat your level.Then yourmultiplier is only 10 times, and if it's .29 PSI lower

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread David Miller
Jeromie Reeves wrote: inline David Miller wrote: [snip] I'm not sure what you're referring to in I should look for a 50. I'd suggest looking for a dry pump that doesn't require oil lubrication. These are commonly used for refridgeration or freeze drying of food, should go to the

Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in it relative to wind/alternative energy

2006-01-18 Thread Zeke Yewdall
It's easy. You can't have the option of NOT having a powerplant in your backyard (unless you pledge to never use electricity again). But you DO get to choose what kind. a) a PV array -- ugly sparkley blue panels on your roof (in some people's minds, I guess they're the type that would think

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread Joe Street
logan vilas wrote: To remove water at 55C your pump has to remove 11(at sea level)times the atsmopheric volume of your container before you get to a low enough vacuum to boil off water. If your atsmophericpressure is 0.13 PSI lowerat your level.Then yourmultiplier is only 10

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread Joe Street
Great Post David; You obviously know a thing or 10 about vacuum. I would just comment on this suggestion though David Miller wrote: I'm not sure what you're referring to in I should look for a 50. I'd suggest looking for a dry pump that doesn't require oil lubrication. These are commonly

[Biofuel] Hiding Behind The Troops

2006-01-18 Thread Appal Energy
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20060118/hiding_behind_the_troops.php Hiding Behind The Troops David Corn http://www.tompaine.com/search/index.cgi?search=David%20Corn%20IncludeBlogs=1SearchFields=keywordsTemplate=author January 18, 2006 http

Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in it relative to wind/alternative energy

2006-01-18 Thread Appal Energy
Take a look at the architectural topography in the vicinity of Nantucket Sound. Oddly enough you'll see a belching, coal-fired, power plant. I suppose that sight, along with all the mercury it emits, is more preferable than field of wind turbines? Betcha' it really increases the property

[Biofuel] algae formation in biodiesel

2006-01-18 Thread AltEnergyNetwork
Hi all, I came across this article about algae formation problems with biofuels. Has anybody experienced this? If so what anti-algae formulations are effective in solving the problem? regards tallex http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/17/when-biodiesel-gets-too-green/ You know how cooking oil

Re: [Biofuel] algae formation in biodiesel

2006-01-18 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Saw that article back in November. I've never had trouble, or heard of trouble with algae in biodiesel. I wonder if it was growing in the tank on the vehical, or grew in the supplier's tank. I'm a little confused how algae could grow in darkness anyway -- unless they had the translucent poly

Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in it relative to wind/alternative energy

2006-01-18 Thread MALCOLM MACLURE
I wholeheartedly agree Todd. At least with wind turbines, should we ever discover the means to harness cold fusion or similar clean source, all the turbines could be dismantled recycled, returning the land back to what it was - relatively unscathed. Not the same story with nuclear. Malcolm

Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in it relativeto wind/alternative energy

2006-01-18 Thread Chris lloyd
At least with wind turbines, should we ever discover the means to harness cold fusion or similar clean source, all the turbines could be dismantled recycled, returning the land back to what it was - relatively unscathed. Not the same story with nuclear. We have decommissioned and cleared are

Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in itrelativeto wind/alternative energy

2006-01-18 Thread MALCOLM MACLURE
I rest my case Chris Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris lloyd Sent: 18 January 2006 22:37 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in itrelativeto wind/alternative energy At least

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread MALCOLM MACLURE
I have extensive vapour pressure tables prepared by the Smithsonion Institution, if it's any use to someone. If anyone would like a scan I will e-mail it to you. It should print out ok on a standard laser or a good inkjet. Regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] Study Hits EPA Plan to Censor Community Pollution Reports

2006-01-18 Thread Derick Giorchino
Yup I live where the governater makes all the earth crushing laws that will help us not to do what is needed. There was a suggestion made here a week or 2 back. Ask your supplier to buy the used veg oil. Get a receipt. I figure 10 cents per hundred gallons is as good as any #. This way you only

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I would like to have that. Been looking and have not found one like im thinking (course my thinking could be off =) Jeromie MALCOLM MACLURE wrote: I have extensive vapour pressure tables prepared by the Smithsonion Institution, if it's any use to someone. If anyone would like a scan I will

[Biofuel] Mainstream media finally gets it, energy independence

2006-01-18 Thread Toby Sarver
Folks, Check out this editorial in the New York Times entitled Energy Impasse: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/15/opinion/15sun1.html It discusses two international energy incidents, and makes the broader conclusion that we need to be energy independent, and not by more drilling. It says that

[Biofuel] U.S. firms to launch corn-based socks in Japan

2006-01-18 Thread Michael Redler
U.S. firms to launch corn-based socks in Japan Biodegradable hosiery to debut on store shelves next year TOKYO - The Chicago White Sox may have won baseball's World Series, but the corn socks are coming to Japan.Biodegradable socks, made from corn-derived fiber and manufactured by U.S.

[Biofuel] Patagonia Will Recycle Your Underwear

2006-01-18 Thread Michael Redler
Patagonia Will Recycle Your Underwear December 1, 2005 11:39 PM - Justin Thomas, Virginia Patagonia has raised the recycling bar again — this time they've announced that they will recycle your worn-out underwear. Patagonia's Capilene garments can be broken down and remade into new clothing. The