Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an Industry

2006-02-23 Thread Joe Street
I like your way of thinking steve; In fact if you read my web page the idea of operating like a u-brew place is exactly what I have been suggesting. The idea of building up a nation wide or international body with it's own set of guidelines, standards and quality control measures is still a

Re: [Biofuel] Compressed air wash

2006-02-23 Thread Thomas Kelly
Todd, I thought the objection to bubble washing was the duration of exposure of fuel to air ... 6 - 8 hours for each of 3 or 4 washings, and that fuel oxidation would be minimized by a 1 - 2 minute burst of compressed air. Homogeneity seems to be achieved more from the turbulence created

Re: [Biofuel] Compressed air wash

2006-02-23 Thread Joe Street
Hi Tom; As a continuation of this inquiry it would be good if you could give a comparison of the ph of the wash water before and after washing in each case. If the water is cloudy using the sparging technique after 4 washes then I think it means it is still removing something from the fuel.

[Biofuel] Microreactor for biodiesel

2006-02-23 Thread Tomas Juknevicius
Hi, this one is very interesting because it is efficient and applicable at the personal bd production scale: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/02/microreactor_fo.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2006/Feb06/microreactors.htm lets hope it matures from vaporware into something real

Re: [Biofuel] Compressed air wash

2006-02-23 Thread Thomas Kelly
Joe, It's a friend of mine, "Dan the tinkerer", who came up with the idea of using compressed air in his wash. I'll pass along your suggestionto test the pH of each wash. I'll also pass on the idea of using compressed nitrogen instead of air if oxidation of fuel is an issue w. the process.

Re: [Biofuel] Compressed air wash

2006-02-23 Thread Appal Energy
Thomas, Bubble washing prolly won't condemn your fuel. But it does degrade it. Whether you use tiny bubbles... for a long duration or short bursts of compressed air, do you really think that there is less air contact with the fuel in the end run? On either wash type, you might try adding

[Biofuel] Woodgas Group

2006-02-23 Thread Michael Redler
Is anyone a member of the Yahoo! Woodgas group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WoodGas/)? I tried re-joining after getting re-interested in itbut, my email address was banned.That would be fine (and not the first time I was banned from a group) but, I didn't even earn the privilege with an

Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an Industry

2006-02-23 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I do believe it is worth the effort to attempt to keep control of ourselves, but I actually don't think it is possible. For the last 20-25 years, the small farmer has worked to create certified organic food, community supported agriculture and direct marketed foods for the city

Re: [Biofuel] Microreactor for biodiesel

2006-02-23 Thread Andrew Netherton
Let's hope? Screw that, let's actually DO something. It says right there that they're looking for commercialization partners. Individually we'd have to sit back and wait for someone to make this happen. Together, forming an international co-operative or non-profit corporation, we could each

Re: [Biofuel] Kiwi Biofuellers?

2006-02-23 Thread Charles List
Hi NigelI'm in Alexandra in South Island and I'm struggling with getting methanol delivered- I seem to need a class 3 certification for the chemical companies to deliver any to me and no-one seems to know how I go about getting one!Any thoughts?CharlesOn 22/02/2006, at 2:28 PM, Nigel Kelly wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Compressed air wash

2006-02-23 Thread Kenji James Fuse
I'm finally putting away my mister and bubble stone. Thanks, Keith and Todd, for your persistent good advice. There were a couple of discouraging moments there, but I've kept better records since and now stir washing saves me a lot of time. Anybody need a mister or bubble-stone? Kenji Fuse

Re: [Biofuel] Compressed air wash

2006-02-23 Thread Keith Addison
Does anyone see any problems with his compressed air wash? Fuel oxidation. Indeed. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html#oxid Oxidation and polymerisation Use the fuel quickly. Best Keith Todd Swearingen Thomas Kelly wrote: Hello all, A friend of mine had

[Biofuel] Revised!: Biofuel Co-operative preliminary meeting, Waterloo, ON

2006-02-23 Thread Andrew Netherton
Greetings again biofuel advocates, I regret to inform you that I made an error in my previous message (below). The meeting was originally scheduled for Monday, March 6th, however due to a scheduling problem with our presenter Joe Street it has been moved to Tuesday, March 14th. Same location,

Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an Industry

2006-02-23 Thread lres1
I like the thought track here. We are at about the same stage as Prohibition as it was when Henry Ford produced a car to run on Methanol. At the same stage where Rudolf Diesel made his engine on Peanut oil, did diesel fuel come first or the engine? Numbers = weightis what's needed and from

Re: [Biofuel] Compressed air wash

2006-02-23 Thread JJJN
Joe, I would think N2 is a very poor choice as it could be a reactant, however Argon or Helium welding gasses would do very well as they are inert. Jim Joe Street wrote: Hi Tom; As a continuation of this inquiry it would be good if you could give a comparison of the ph of the wash water

Re: [Biofuel] Microreactor for biodiesel

2006-02-23 Thread JJJN
This is just about as cool as it gets. Finally the Fuel Cell meets its match. Thanks for passing this on Tom, Jim Tomas Juknevicius wrote: Hi, this one is very interesting because it is efficient and applicable at the personal bd production scale:

Re: [Biofuel] Microreactor for biodiesel

2006-02-23 Thread regina abbott
Hello I am E. in Montana. I am new to biodiesel and after reading the article about Oregon U.'s microreacter I am throughly confused. From what I read they are mixing oil and alchol and not removing coproducts. Wouldn't that make alcohol thinned SVO? Can someone explain what I missed. Also

Re: [Biofuel] Kiwi Biofuellers?

2006-02-23 Thread Nigel Kelly
Hi Charles, I'm facing similar and just cracked it (for me anyway) - got in touch with a couple of guys racing stock cars etc - they buy Methanol in bulk and seem happy to sell it on. Anbout $1.70/litre is what I've been told... yet to get some, but then I have a few things to do re

Re: [Biofuel] Microreactor for biodiesel

2006-02-23 Thread Keith Addison
This is just about as cool as it gets. Finally the Fuel Cell meets its match. Thanks for passing this on Tom, Jim Hello Jim and all I've been reading about the wonders and promises of fuel cells for 30 years. How much renewable energy is being provided by fuel cells these days? Anyway,